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TSWei Feng
post Jun 15 2012, 02:07 PM, updated 14y ago

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anyone out there, pls tell me what's the difference between maths in Cambridge A level and mathematics T in STPM?
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post Jun 15 2012, 02:10 PM

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Syllabus wise, ask someone currently doing STPM, cause it changed I think.

Grading wise, top 10% of all candidates sitting for Maths get an A*, period. If it is so difficult that you cannot score 80+ or 90+ (aggregate score of AS and A2) but you perform better than 90% of students, you will succeed.
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post Jun 15 2012, 04:11 PM

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You study more for Maths.T in STPM. There are several chapters that aren't included in A-Level Maths. For example: Chi-Squared Test, Matrices (row-echelon form, Gaussian elimination etc), and De Moivre's Theorem. You'll only learn these chapters in A-Level Further Maths.

I believe STPM Maths.T is much harder than A-Level Maths. But since I haven't done any exercise on A-Level Maths so I can't tell for sure. All I know is that you study much more for STPM Maths.T.

Do note that the new syllabus for Maths.T is much wider than the old syllabus of Maths.T, which some chapters being transferred from the old syllabus of Further.Maths (almost 6, excluding sub-topics like 3D vector) and Matriculation (semester 1 chapter 5). It is a huge change from the old one so what anyone says about the old syllabus hardly holds anymore.

There's no Mechanics in Maths.T, but all these chapters are included in STPM Physics.


Anyway, you may check the syllabus yourself:
STPM Mathematics. T:
http://www.mpm.edu.my/documents/10156/3310...cb-7e70b47c4bb4

A-Level Mathematics:
http://www.gov.mu/portal/sites/mesweb/CIE%...9709_y13_sy.pdf

A-Level Further Mathematics:
http://www.gov.mu/portal/sites/mesweb/CIE%...9231_y13_sy.pdf

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post Jun 16 2012, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(justarandomboy @ Jun 15 2012, 05:11 PM)
You study more for Maths.T in STPM. There are several chapters that aren't included in A-Level Maths. For example: Chi-Squared Test, Matrices (row-echelon form, Gaussian elimination etc), and De Moivre's Theorem. You'll only learn these chapters in A-Level Further Maths.

I believe STPM Maths.T is much harder than A-Level Maths. But since I haven't done any exercise on A-Level Maths so I can't tell for sure. All I know is that you study much more for STPM Maths.T.

Do note that the new syllabus for Maths.T is much wider than the old syllabus of Maths.T, which some chapters being transferred from the old syllabus of Further.Maths (almost 6, excluding sub-topics like 3D vector) and Matriculation (semester 1 chapter 5). It is a huge change from the old one so what anyone says about the old syllabus hardly holds anymore.

There's no Mechanics in Maths.T, but all these chapters are included in STPM Physics.
Anyway, you may check the syllabus yourself:
STPM Mathematics. T:
http://www.mpm.edu.my/documents/10156/3310...cb-7e70b47c4bb4

A-Level Mathematics:
http://www.gov.mu/portal/sites/mesweb/CIE%...9709_y13_sy.pdf

A-Level Further Mathematics:
http://www.gov.mu/portal/sites/mesweb/CIE%...9231_y13_sy.pdf
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but i heard that the new syllabus for Maths T is easier compare to the old syllabus.why is this so?

still, there are a huge difference between maths T in STPM and maths in Cambridge A level?


Added on June 16, 2012, 12:18 am
QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jun 15 2012, 03:10 PM)
Syllabus wise, ask someone currently doing STPM, cause it changed I think.

Grading wise, top 10% of all candidates sitting for Maths get an A*, period. If it is so difficult that you cannot score 80+ or 90+ (aggregate score of AS and A2) but you perform better than 90% of students, you will succeed.
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ok thanks.

only top 10% may get an A*? how do u know?

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QUOTE(Wei Feng @ Jun 16 2012, 02:16 AM)
but i heard that the new syllabus for Maths T is easier compare to the old syllabus.why is this so?

still, there are a huge difference between maths T in STPM and maths in Cambridge A level?


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ok thanks.

only top 10% may get an A*? how do u know?
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Check the statistics. A* was introduced a few sittings ago (somewhere in 2009 or 2010). I won't swear on it but I'm fairly sure the proportion is around there and should be relatively unchanged from sitting to sitting.
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QUOTE(Wei Feng @ Jun 16 2012, 12:16 AM)
but i heard that the new syllabus for Maths T is easier compare to the old syllabus.why is this so?

still, there are a huge difference between maths T in STPM and maths in Cambridge A level?
Where did you hear that? That's nonsense. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the new syllabus is much harder. I don't think anyone can disagree. The difference is way too big. Just take the first semester as an example. For Chapter 1: Function, it is actually the combination of 3 chapters from the old syllabus: Trigonometry, Function, and Polynomials (with some from Number and Sets), Chapter 2 is from the old syllabus. Chapter 3 is also taken from the old syllabus but many subtopics are introduced such as row-echelon form and Gaussian elimination, which I think aren't included in A-Level Maths or even Further.Maths.

The whole chapter of Chapter 4 is taken from Further Maths.T and is only included in A-Level Further Mathematics. So you imagine how tough this chapter would be. Chapter 6: Vector is not new, but 3D vector is introduced and 3D vector is much more complicated than 2D vector. Plus, don't forget, assignments and projects are introduced, and these aren't included in the old syllabus/system.

Obvious? It should be.

And yes, there's a huge difference between Maths.T STPM and Cambridge A-Level Maths.

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post Jun 16 2012, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(justarandomboy @ Jun 16 2012, 09:58 AM)
Where did you hear that? That's nonsense. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the new syllabus is much harder. I don't think anyone can disagree. The difference is way too big. Just take the first semester as an example. For Chapter 1: Function, it is actually the combination of 3 chapters from the old syllabus: Trigonometry, Function, and Polynomials (with some from Number and Sets), Chapter 2 is from the old syllabus. Chapter 3 is also taken from the old syllabus but many subtopics are introduced such as row-echelon form and Gaussian elimination, which I think aren't included in A-Level Maths or even Further.Maths.

The whole chapter of Chapter 4 is taken from Further Maths.T and is only included in A-Level Further Mathematics. So you imagine how tough this chapter would be. Chapter 5 is new too but is taken from Matriculation. Chapter 6: Vector is not new, but 3D vector is introduced and 3D vector is much more complicated than 2D vector. Plus, don't forget, assignments and projects are introduced, and these aren't included in the old syllabus/system.

Obvious? It should be.

And yes, there's a huge difference between Maths.T STPM and Cambridge A-Level Maths.
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Isn't Chapter 4 complex numbers? I think the only thing that is taken from FM is de Moivre's theorem. Chapter 5 analytical geometry was covered by the old syllabus under a different name.
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QUOTE(Krevaki @ Jun 16 2012, 10:27 AM)
Isn't Chapter 4 complex numbers? I think the only thing that is taken from FM is de Moivre's theorem. Chapter 5 analytical geometry was covered by the old syllabus under a different name.
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Oh, thanks for that. Correction done. smile.gif

Nope. Those from the old syllabus stay, while many new one are included. Argand diagram stays, modulus and argument stay, roots of equation stays. Others are new. Complex Numbers in Cartesian Form is new, inequalities is new, complex numbers in polar form is also new, De Moivre's Theorem is definitely new and the nth root of a complex number is also new.

Actually, those from Further Maths.T are mostly covered in semester 2 and semester 3. Maclaurin Series and Numerical Method are covered in semester 2, Hypothesis Testing, Sampling and Estimation and Chi-Squared Tests are covered in semester 3.

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post Jun 16 2012, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(justarandomboy @ Jun 16 2012, 10:33 AM)
Oh, thanks for that. Correction done.  smile.gif

Nope. Those from the old syllabus stay, while many new one are included. Argand diagram stays, modulus and argument stay, roots of equation stays. Others are new. Complex Numbers in Cartesian Form is new, inequalities is new, complex numbers in polar form is also new, De Moivre's Theorem is definitely new and the nth root of a complex number is also new.

Actually, those from Further Maths.T are mostly covered in semester 2 and semester 3. Maclaurin Series and Numerical Method are covered in semester 2, Hypothesis Testing, Sampling and Estimation and Chi-Squared Tests are covered in semester 3.
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Complex numbers in cartesian or polar form are not new. And I don't see any inequality in the syllabus.

Numerical method is not from FM. It's taken from chapters in the old syllabus.

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post Jun 16 2012, 10:59 AM

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Having myself taken both Maths T STPM and A-level Maths, STPM you study SO much more...True story!
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QUOTE(uhhwilliam @ Jun 16 2012, 10:59 AM)
Having myself taken both Maths T STPM and A-level Maths, STPM you study SO much more...True story!
I haven't taken both, but by comparing the syllabus, the difference is already very obvious. nod.gif

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post Jun 16 2012, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(justarandomboy @ Jun 16 2012, 10:58 AM)
Where did you hear that? That's nonsense. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the new syllabus is much harder. I don't think anyone can disagree. The difference is way too big. Just take the first semester as an example. For Chapter 1: Function, it is actually the combination of 3 chapters from the old syllabus: Trigonometry, Function, and Polynomials (with some from Number and Sets), Chapter 2 is from the old syllabus. Chapter 3 is also taken from the old syllabus but many subtopics are introduced such as row-echelon form and Gaussian elimination, which I think aren't included in A-Level Maths or even Further.Maths.

The whole chapter of Chapter 4 is taken from Further Maths.T and is only included in A-Level Further Mathematics. So you imagine how tough this chapter would be. Chapter 6: Vector is not new, but 3D vector is introduced and 3D vector is much more complicated than 2D vector. Plus, don't forget, assignments and projects are introduced, and these aren't included in the old syllabus/system.

Obvious? It should be.

And yes, there's a huge difference between Maths.T STPM and Cambridge A-Level Maths.
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i heard it from my teacher teaching maths T stpm. he said that the old syllabus is wider compare to new syllabus and that new syllabus having less thing to study. old syllabus does not have any assignment and projects??? oh~ i just know that. thanks for telling me.

it is good to hear that cambridge A level maths is much easier as i will be taking CAL this coming 9 july. this shows that i have made a good choice^^
btw, any assignment in CAL?? for maths


Added on June 16, 2012, 3:46 pm
QUOTE(uhhwilliam @ Jun 16 2012, 11:59 AM)
Having myself taken both Maths T STPM and A-level Maths, STPM you study SO much more...True story!
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taken both? can you tell me how u take both? isn't that we have to choose one of them?

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QUOTE(Wei Feng @ Jun 16 2012, 03:45 PM)
i heard it from my teacher teaching maths T stpm. he said that the old syllabus is wider compare to new syllabus and that new syllabus having less thing to study. old syllabus does not have any assignment and projects??? oh~ i just know that. thanks for telling me.

it is good to hear that cambridge A level maths is much easier as i will be taking CAL this coming 9 july. this shows that i have made a good choice^^
btw, any assignment in CAL?? for maths


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taken both? can you tell me how u take both? isn't that we have to choose one of them?
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He probably meant you study less for one exam, which is true, but the time is another factor to consider.
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QUOTE(justarandomboy @ Jun 16 2012, 04:53 PM)
He probably meant you study less for one exam, which is true, but the time is another factor to consider.
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oh ic. yea, may be i misunderstood.


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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Jun 16 2012, 10:10 AM)
Check the statistics. A* was introduced a few sittings ago (somewhere in 2009 or 2010). I won't swear on it but I'm fairly sure the proportion is around there and should be relatively unchanged from sitting to sitting.
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oh IC...thanks for the informations

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Alevel mathematics is on par with STPM matematik S or T ?
cause I need to fill in subject result in Alevel for ptptn application but there are only matematik S and T and lanjutan T.
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QUOTE(LordReaper @ Jun 16 2012, 11:29 PM)
Alevel mathematics is on par with STPM matematik S or T ?
cause I need to fill in subject result in Alevel for ptptn application but there are only matematik S and T and lanjutan T.
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i guess maths T. not sure though. (someone correct me if i am wrong).where are u taking ur A level?
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justarandomboy, quote properly please. Don't put words into my mouth.

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QUOTE(Wei Feng @ Jun 16 2012, 10:47 PM)
i guess maths T. not sure though. (someone correct me if i am wrong).where are u taking ur A level?
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matematik T mean matematik tulen ?
haha i took my alevel in penang disted college, its call pure mathematics in my course
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QUOTE(Krevaki @ Jun 18 2012, 10:12 AM)
justarandomboy, quote properly please. Don't put words into my mouth.
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Oops....I quoted both your posts then by accident, I deleted yours but guess I didn't do it correctly. Sorry for the error. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Wei Feng @ Jun 15 2012, 02:07 PM)
anyone out there, pls tell me what's the difference between maths in Cambridge A level and mathematics T in STPM?
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regardless what, it is important to have good maths knowledge .

i done stpm maths, n it became part of me. just remember, it become a basic to learn advance maths such as vector calculus, fourier transformation, ordinary & non-odinary differential equations.

you do not nid to worry much about the differences just the syllabus covered. basically, i believe all important topic will be covered. (In case you wondered why there are maths, the all maths theory available in journals, however those old maths theory not available online may be need to get from cambridge oxford U etc... you wont need that unless u are mathematicians trying to discover new formula. )

and most important is that you need to have very good foundation in maths if you were to dealing real world problems.


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QUOTE(LordReaper @ Jun 18 2012, 12:39 PM)
matematik T mean matematik tulen ?
haha i took my alevel in penang disted college, its call pure mathematics in my course
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yea, pure and tulen same meaning rigth? hehe


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QUOTE(littlejimmy @ Jun 18 2012, 04:00 PM)
regardless what, it is important to have good maths knowledge .

i done stpm maths, n it became part of me. just remember, it become a basic to learn advance maths such as vector calculus, fourier transformation, ordinary & non-odinary differential equations.

you do not nid to worry much about the differences just the syllabus covered. basically, i believe all important topic will be covered. (In case you wondered why there are maths, the all maths theory available in journals, however those old maths theory not available online may be need to get from cambridge oxford U etc... you wont need that unless u are mathematicians trying to discover new formula. )

and most important is that you need to have very good foundation in maths if you were to dealing real world problems.
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ok. thanks in advance

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