then why do doctors starting out in Singapore earn monthly pay of $4000 which is RM11,000?
I was shocked when ex-PM Mahatir said on youtube recently that he earned RM2000 as a doctor.

but for certain professions money should not be the sole factor? like medicine? shouldn't it be a calling rather than a return on investment? cos if you are in medicine simply for the money then chances are you will be in the limelight in future for overcharging your patients or you may prescribe more medication instead of what is actually required for the patient in order too incur more charges on him and so on? eventually the long arms of the law will catch up on you and you will have to face the disciplinary panel and worse even lose your practicing license?
I am certain that many Malaysians with MBBS and LLB have become lawyers and doctors in Singapore. I know that lawyers in Singapore start off with a $4000 to $4500 monthly salary. that is about RM11,000 per month.

If what you say is true then a Malaysian working in Singapore as a security guard earns that amount too for 12 hours of work and 26 days a month which is $2000. When converted that is RM5,555++ per month.

But you have to take note that the majority of Malaysians who work in Singapore as security guards do not work one shift. They work double shifts which means 24 hours a day. They are fully awake in the day time during their day shift which is from 8am to 8pm and they sleep from 12 midnight to 6am during their night shift which is from 8pm to 8am.

So per month they make about $4000 working as security guards in Singapore doing double shifts which is about RM11,000++.
The point behind including the lawyer's salary was to provide a basis of comparison cos normally when one discusses about salaries they tend to include doctors, lawyers and engineers into the mix.

talking bout aus...
how about SG?

i would gather that MY still gives the best chance of surgical training, despite not being well recognised

but , If im not mistaken, the parallel pathways culminate in a royal college of surgeons qualification?

MMC probably waived it because of the oversupply of graduate doctors now. I also wonder how she can perform her duties as an MO when she has only done 3 rotations as what you said.

I have 2 relatives as graduate doctors, one locally and one in UK. I would say that the housemanship training locally is so much more intense compared to what is in UK.

Hi All, I've question to ask here,  appreciate if someone know the answer. My kid just completed his mufy foundation in pure science mufy foundation  (English, physics, maths, Chem combination) and obtained reasonable good marks with average aggreate scores 88.6 and he told me he is not keen in engineering courses and besides Monash Sunway U,  I wonder anyone know any private local medical college accept pure science student into Medical school or pharmacy.  TIA

When I previously talk about ROI on my kids medical career, I was blasted and told not to look at that angle. They were correct and I agree with them.

Lawyers and engineers share the same situation as medical doctors. If you are good, have the networking and interact well, you will do financially well.

As for you, with an IT degree earlier and now with everybody talking about IoT, industry 4.0, blockchain and digital media, your options are much greater and you can find some spare time to enhance your earnings.

Erm, I might say both, but I quite unsure yet, I wish that I can research on treatments for the betterment of the society.

Actually, I am in a dilemma in choosing medicine and biomedicine, I feel that medicine has a wider job prospect than biomedicine. Will u encourage me to take medicine if my ultimate goal is to become a researcher? For me, I might prefer research more than contact with patients, but I feel that the clinical skills that I get will definitely help me in my future research.

Recently, I had encountered a term "physician-scientist" which I am interested to venture in. Does anyone know about it? How different is it between physician and physician-scientist in Malaysia?

Back to the point, which masters programme should I opt for if I intend to go for research? Will it be competitive to get into it? I think I am the type of person that likes to discover new things rather than performing similar procedure regularly. So most probably I will shine away those popular master programme, such as surgeon.

Anyone who has any thoughts about it can also comment pls. Thanks

Not a game changer...don't see this going anywhere.... although under kpj, training still done under Moh facilities....it is not possible to train people in the private setting....

Not sure why anyone will want to pay so much money, at the same time no income, working free.....to "train" in Moh hospitals with peers doing it for free while getting pay and advancement in civil service....

If a comparison is made between UK and ours, then no doubt UK win liao. Maybe still early days until after completion of F2.

But read about the winter pressure crisis, and I can only imagine it's hell for the healthcare workers and the patients.

Dr Pagalavan's latest blog:

https://pagalavan.com/2019/12/24/for-future...elcome-to-2020/

Hi, my nephew is currently waiting for HO, any suggestions on hospital choice?

Thank you.

p.s: pls no flame

Thank you for the advice!

As for jpa, my current offer is different and am applying for placement changes to usm-kle - so I guess I'd have to see how that goes first.

Another question I'd like to ask is -
How long do medical officers usually wait for their turn to specialise?
I've read that recently, albeit being good and applying, there's still a long line to wait for.

This is because I'm also pondering about if I took jpa it has that 10 year bond to serve before we're free to go. In my plannings, I don't think I'll be going to private, however I'd still prefer if I had the freedom of choosing career pathways.

Thank you! Have a good day.

Again, your comparison is somewhat flawed.
Higher specialty training in UK = subspecialty training in Malaysia. The only difference is GIM is considered as a higher specialty/subspecialty in the UK.

Please bear in mind that it is possible to get dual accreditation (eg GIM and endocrine) from a higher specialty training programme.

My friend who passed mrcp with me is doing that in Cambridge.
5 years of higher specialty training programme where he will be awarded both GIM and endocrine accreditation at the end of his training. The pathway is actually faster than in endocrine training pathway in Malaysia.

In the UK, 3 years of basic specialty training leading to MRCP, then 5 years of training for CCST in both GIM and endocrine. Total 8 years

In Malaysia, 4 and half years (3 + 1 1/2) to be gazetted as GIM specialist, one additional year for NSR, then only eligible for endocrine training which is typically 3 years. So total 8 and half years for dual accreditation, which is actually longer than that of UK training.

Also in Malaysia, you must fulfill your logbook for procedures such as chest tube, transvenous pacing, lunbar puncture etc in order to complete your gazettement.
I was in Singapore for one year of electrophysiology fellowship. I am now back in Malaysia as cardiologist (already completed 3 and half years of cardiology training before i went to Singapore)

Singapore system has changed to mimic US. 3 years of basic specialty training in GIM (aka residency), then additional 3 to four years of subspecialty training. It is also possible to get dual accreditation in GIM and a subspecialty of your choice. But one will need additional 2 years of GIM training post 3 years of basic GIM training.

In summary
Single accreditation: 3 + 3 or 4 years depending on which sub
Dual accreditation: 3 + 2 + 3 or 4

Still faster than Malaysian pathway lol. Not to mention housemanship in Singapore is only one year.

Also please bear in mind, invasive procedures such as chest tube can only be done by senior respiratory medicine registrar, and not basic GIM trainee. Heck even simple procedure like transvenous pacing needs to be done by cardio registrar

Sorry, oldfag question here - how many years of housemanship is it, in Malaysia? I mean, I know in UK there's the F1 & F2 years, but I always thought Malaysia was the same with Singapore, just a single year?