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zeng
post Dec 17 2017, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Jckc @ Dec 17 2017, 07:56 PM)
I believe graduates are eligible for training if they complete their postgrad exams.
I know a msian doctor from UM who is currently on the paediatric training programme in the UK after completing his MRCPCH in Malaysia.
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Thanks, Jckc.
That's really great news for KL holders of MRCS/MRCP/CH/OG 'obstructed' by local Master's programmes, it seems.
Not sure if there is such similar case of acceptance in Spore though.

Any indication of when was the switch-over in UK rules ?
... as the 'unfavourable' rule was said to be valid in 2009/2010 .

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post Dec 18 2017, 12:05 PM

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The tagging weeks of each posting are the worst... some department requires you to remain from 6AM - 11PM everyday for 6 days straight (one day off) for two weeks... at the end of the two weeks - some sort of Off-tagging test need to be taken, if you pass you are allowed to join the rest of the HOs working the 'normal hours' and you are considered 'competent-enough' to work night-shift...

QUOTE(cckkpr @ Dec 18 2017, 09:52 AM)

During relative posting in surgery, he was most of the time working from 6am to 2am as the specialist only do his rounds at 11 pm. He was on the verge of giving up because on certain days he cannot sleep, probably due to stress and frustration. On one occasion, the MO sent him to the operations room and when he came out the specialist saw him and ask him where was he. The specialist said who gave him permission and immediately extended his tagging period by another 2 weeks.

He is in his 5th posting now and still do on calls 2 times a week.

I told him its tough working in the gomen and more of such nonsense will come in the future. Not to say that private sector is all good but at least merit does play a significant part in one's future. tongue.gif
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Wow, this scenario occurs in UK too, or is it Msia ?
Was of the impression that HO days in Spore is as tough as KL , not sure which would be worst in relation though .
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post Jan 9 2018, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Jan 7 2018, 01:41 PM)
A gamechanger. KPJ now offering grad program in ENT, Radiology, Gen Surgery & Ortho

RM200k for ENT for 4 years. RM250k for the rest.

https://www.kpjuc.edu.my/programmes/school-of-medicine/
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 8 2018, 09:14 PM)
Not a game changer...don't see this going anywhere.... although under kpj, training still done under Moh facilities....it is not possible to train people in the private setting....

Not sure why anyone will want to pay so much money, at the same time no income, working free.....to "train" in Moh hospitals with peers doing it for free while getting pay and advancement in civil service....
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Could these programmes be targetting 'doctors' from African continent , MiddleEast and South Asia ?
.....exploring work opportunities out of home country
... but gets into recognition issue thereafter with overseas medical boards.

Not sure if it's a scam though.

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post Jan 9 2018, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Jan 9 2018, 04:22 PM)
I'm hoping eventually he will consider the red dot, much nearer. Anyway, it's their life now.
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Red dot kind of no 'rural' posting ...
Uk might be moving like a nomad post F2 , just speculating.

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post Sep 19 2018, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(CateBoo @ Sep 19 2018, 04:55 AM)
Heard from relative that there are some f1 doctors from Newcastle Malaysia working in UK now.
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That's interesting developments ........
No issue with visa ?
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post Sep 20 2018, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(CateBoo @ Sep 19 2018, 08:30 PM)
No problem with visa, they are the first batch, about 15 of them
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Congrats to those guys from Numed ...

I suppose they are on Tier 2 visa podrunner, as IIRC Tier 4 is student visa.

Jckc, mind elaborate further on 'standalone' post ? ......

Do they have equal opportunity as UK trained in securing further traning post FY2 ?

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post Sep 24 2018, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Jckc @ Sep 21 2018, 05:00 AM)
unlike standard foundation programme whereby we apply through a national recruitment process for 2 years.
A standalone post means a doctor can apply for a year STANDALONE in either F1 or F2 or both depending on the doctor qualification. (needs to be registered with the GMC, can be a mix of british/eu/foreign)
As quoted of who these doctors are:
"Every year there is a significant cohort of applicants who are not eligible for the foundation programme as
they hold full registration but are too inexperienced in either the NHS and / or clinical experience to apply
for specialty training."
Then, interview process happens and they will be offered depending on availability and etc.

This year was the first year whereby standalone post return after awhile since it was stopped due to excess local doctors. However, due to the lack of graduates accepting foundation posts, places have open up.

They are on the tier 2 visa for internationals. Hence, F1 doctors cant be international since they dont reach the minimum salary.
As quoted:
"At the time offers were made, there were 99 appointable applicants for F1 remaining in the process who
were not subject to Resident Labour Market Tests (RLMT) and who did not require sponsorship for Tier 2.
Applicants for F1 Stand-alone programmes who were subject to RLMT were not eligible due to the fact that
the F1 salary does not meet the minimum salary threshold under the requirements for Tier 2."

they wont have equal opportunity since they still have to be subject to RLMT but they do consist of a small proportion of applicants anyways.
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Thanks and wishing for further clarifications, the 15 or so of Numed alumni had obtained Tier 2 visa for being offered a salary exceeding GBP 30,000 pa , in your knowledge how many years of 'housemanship' training they had in Malaysia, and do they includes qualified and experienced MO's from Malaysia ?

Am I wrong to interpret that the UK system allows Numeds with Tier 2 visa to be appointed in NHS undertaking actual F1 positions, and possibly F2 ?
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post Sep 24 2018, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(CateBoo @ Sep 19 2018, 08:30 PM)
No problem with visa, they are the first batch, about 15 of them
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Do all of them had prior completed 2 year housemanships programme in Malaysia, and in your knowledge how many years clinical experience they had in Malaysia prior to transfer to UK ?
3, 4 years including housemanships?
It's nice developments that Numed alumni are being given opportunities in UK ....
and I'm quite happy for them and hoping more of them would be accepted by UK in coming years ....

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post Sep 24 2018, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Sep 20 2018, 11:56 PM)
Tier 4 visa for F1-2. Then you apply for CMT/CST jobs towards middle of F2, and once you have a job, you’ll be issued a Tier 2 visa for the duration of that job, 3 to 4 years.
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As clarified by Jckc, btw has your relative managed to secure a CMT/CST post of his/her choice ?

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