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post May 30 2017, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ May 30 2017, 02:57 PM)
Ok thanks.
Re driving in the USA, I think it's to do with payment for rental, insurance and incidental charges, if any.
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Got this roughly.
Upload passport and visa to website, get CAS then submit application. Evidence of passing also need to be submitted. Hope it helps.


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post Aug 16 2017, 10:20 AM

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Just sharing some of relative's experience on recent graduates as houseman.

Despite a lot of criticisms on some of those foreign universities, there are some graduates who are on par with some of the established universities locally. When you are smart, irrespective from where you graduate, you can still make it though through a much harder way of self learning and diligence and hardwork.

Yes, there are many incompetent ones around also and many of them also come from public universities and quite a number of them go missing once they clocked in. The competent ones are pushed to the max and the "captain" knows who are those who can work and rotate them accordingly with one of those misfits tagging along.

Despite oversupply situation, it seems that there is still a shortage of medical housemen and officers and many complaints of overworked.

Is being put on call 2 or 3 times a week considered overworked? (Start at 7am in the morning and off at 12 noon the next day). Maybe the older days it was tougher.
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post Aug 28 2017, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Aug 25 2017, 07:20 PM)
Liverpool went into clearing for home students only. Anyway, all filled now. So there were lucky applicants this year.
NHS - sigh! Relative got first pay check today, elated apparently. Haha.
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Mine will be paid on the last Wednesday of the month, August 30th.

Bolehland is better, into the bank account by the 22nd. Increment from the second year not adjusted yet due to "technical hitch" at HR. (Not that they don't have the money laugh.gif )

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post Sep 5 2017, 10:04 AM

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I am surprised UK is increasing the number of medical places for locals. I doubt there is a shortage but I think its the working conditions that need improvements to make doctors stay. Maybe the consequences arising from Brexit will make more doctors quit the UK.

If I am not wrong, sometime back they are also starting to recruit Filipino nurses due to the expected shortage of nurses in the next couple of years.
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post Sep 27 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Stamp @ Sep 23 2017, 08:32 PM)
My niece's application for housemanship waiver was approved my MMC. She finished her 1st year housemanship in UK after completing her medical degree in London. She will start as an MO in a govt hospital for the compulsory 2-year service.

Did anyone (overseas medical graduate) receive similar waiver from MMC before?
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Did she get any clinical experience during the first year of the foundation year? I thought its mainly paper work in the first year. How would she be able to to work as an MO without the relevant housemanship experience. Its not so much on the exemption, its the competency that we are talking about.
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post Sep 28 2017, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(Stamp @ Sep 27 2017, 06:14 PM)
Of course she did her clinical rotations in UK after she graduated as a medical doctor  doh.gif . She had 3 different rotations at the hospitals she was attached to during the first year of the foundation year. She's now a registered doctor in UK (and also now in Malaysia).

Why the "cynical" queries from you?  You think MMC would just simply waive the HMO requirement for medical graduates who do not go through the normal housemanship practice? Give MMC some credit laaaa..
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MMC probably waived it because of the oversupply of graduate doctors now. I also wonder how she can perform her duties as an MO when she has only done 3 rotations as what you said.

I have 2 relatives as graduate doctors, one locally and one in UK. I would say that the housemanship training locally is so much more intense compared to what is in UK.

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post Sep 28 2017, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 28 2017, 10:43 AM)
Indeed... I call it HELLMANSHIP...

She had better done Medical, Surgical and OBGyn rotations... otherwise she will be deep sh*t as an MO... particularly if she is posted in Klinik Kesihatan...
... wait... Paediatric rotation is damn important too....  laugh.gif

This should be interesting...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Its terrible at the big general hospitals. There are quite a number of graduate doctors but the competent ones are few and are push to the limits.

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post Sep 28 2017, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Sep 28 2017, 03:59 PM)
The NHS practices a super defensive type of medicine, so no unnecessary risks. However when an F1 has to run wards solo on on call days/nights, training is full on. But at least no such thing as 36 hour shifts, even when doctors are short in the UK. Am in a house with 2 F1s now. Life seems pretty decent here, as far as I can see.
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Yeah, compare to bolehland, its pretty decent in UK in Year 1 and the hours tend to be more or less fixed.

The only complaint I have is that if working on Sunday, the trains doesn't start running until 8.30 am. And the taxi fare is not cheap.

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post Sep 29 2017, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Sep 28 2017, 07:48 PM)
They use uber for those times, around £4.80 to £5.20. They reckon it's not bad.
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She pays 20 pounds one way. Will suggest her to use Uber.
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post Oct 2 2017, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Sep 29 2017, 05:10 PM)
How far away is she from the hospital? That is a lot of money one way!
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About half an hour by train. Still staying at the same place.

Some have been posted to Aberdeen which is quite a distant away.

Hoping to get something nearer to City Centre next year.
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post Oct 26 2017, 09:16 AM

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yeah, it was very active when my relatives started their medical education. Thanks for sharing all the valuable inputs.

I think there is still a good future going forward for competent doctors. Private medical centres like Sunway are going through a rapid expansion and so are others like Columbia Asia.

Government hospitals and clinics are swarmed with people due to the higher cost of private medical care and the shrinking purchasing power. Despite the perceived oversupply of doctors, many doctors are still being pushed to the limits. Everybody wants an able assistant to save their own skin, and not much attention is paid to helping the less able ones. Basically what you learn in college will determine how good you are though they are exceptions.

I dread what will happen if the budget tomorrow makes further cuts to the healthcare sector.
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post Oct 27 2017, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(confirm @ Oct 26 2017, 02:25 PM)
Not sure more are applying this year in view of the drop the previous year as they think maybe easier to secure places this year.

Also top UK universities have done well in the ranking process this year.
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post Nov 2 2017, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(EricRoxz @ Nov 2 2017, 02:05 AM)
What will happen if a JPA scholar rejected Housemanship offer and went somewhere else to do other medical-related jobs?
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Why do you want to apply for housemanship in the first place? Even for a JPA scholar, you need to apply nowadays.
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post Nov 20 2017, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Nov 19 2017, 11:04 AM)
Not forgetting some UK trained Canadians and Brits in queue .......
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For Malaysians in particular, Brexit or no Brexit, the working conditions in UK are better than what we have over here.

Anyway, its mere speculation from the survey and decisions can only be made after the Brexit. As it is, initially most of the banks are thinking about locating to Europe but the European Commission found out that that the plans only involve something like a representative office with most of the staff still locating in London.

London has always been a favorite place for migrants and investors and will remain so.

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post Dec 12 2017, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Dec 11 2017, 08:09 PM)
While it may sounds strange, direct entry to some UK medical schools incurs lower (total) fees than the IMU-PMS pathway to UK schools.

Yes, it's pricy.... with RM 1M including living.
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RM1M is not sufficient even for fees in UK now for most Universities. Maybe can do it at Queens.

Glasgow is about 42k pounds now per year for fees only. And Brexit seems to give the pound a lift. tongue.gif

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post Dec 12 2017, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 12 2017, 10:09 AM)
Steady and above average if you're able to withstand unemployment before being called for housemanship and compete with fellow doctors for gov posts & training positions after 4y of contract  hmm.gif
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Maybe opting for Sabah or Sarawak gets a higher chance of being absorbed into gomen service.
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post Dec 12 2017, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 12 2017, 04:01 PM)
You're absolutely right on that regards. And this is based on the assumption that everyone will get to practice medicine after they're booted out of gov service.

Still, the ROI for medicine is horrible if you're only given 4 years of confirmed employment with the government. Further structured training as specialists through the masters program are only available to less than 20% of the yearly intake. And unlike engineering and law, medical training in Malaysia can only be done in the gov sector.

So lets say if you spent RM300,000 in a low tier private med school and gets HO/MO salary of RM6k average over 4 years... that's bad. The private GP scene is getting saturated. You may get RM8-10k monthly tops after that if you're lucky.

I'll admit that I dont know how much lawyers and engineers earn after 5, 10, 15, 20 years of practice biggrin.gif
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When I previously talk about ROI on my kids medical career, I was blasted and told not to look at that angle. They were correct and I agree with them.

Lawyers and engineers share the same situation as medical doctors. If you are good, have the networking and interact well, you will do financially well.

As for you, with an IT degree earlier and now with everybody talking about IoT, industry 4.0, blockchain and digital media, your options are much greater and you can find some spare time to enhance your earnings. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 12 2017, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 12 2017, 04:38 PM)
You have smart kids. The keypoint is... ROI in medicine is horrible if you're average (and dropping out after 4 years without other skills than things you learnt from med school)  biggrin.gif

I see my future place in in data science & IoT of healthcare smile.gif
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And as cybersetan says, when they discovered during housemen period, they are not made for medicine...you will wonder what's next

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post Dec 13 2017, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Dec 13 2017, 12:58 PM)
Other than Queen's Belfast, Leicester ,Liverpool, New Castle etc are RM850-930k for 2017-18 intakes ...... and rising annually . Living another RM200k ..... my bad as RM 1M is just off the mark.

Glasgow, Oxford, Cambridge ... you're right though.

You may be also right with 'all' Australian med schools, IIRC.

As a bonus, IINM all the above med schools are recognised by Singapore.

Note:At the point of Brexit in June 2016 , GBP drops from RM6.30ish to RM5.30ish ... today it's RM5.60ish.
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I still remember the night when the voting results came in causing the downfall of David Cameron.....I decided to hold on to the transfer of funds 2 days before it and took a bet....knowing its either going to RM7.00 or about RM5.00.....and I save quite a lot tongue.gif
Lucky but very high risk.

Yeah, OZ is very expensive now.
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post Dec 14 2017, 09:37 AM

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[quote=Syd G,Dec 14 2017, 09:10 AM]
Once noble, now miserable

Those who can work are pushed to the limits, scolded, punished and blamed for lack of coverage and care while the non performers are left to rot and enjoy their carefree days until kingdom come. I blamed nobody but the rising cost of living and medical care has pushed many patients to gomen hospitals and clinics. To make it worse, a shrinking health budget is not helping.

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