Girls in general are attracted to guys who can handle themselves in the real world. Being a so called otaku, you confine your interest in something made up or a sub-culture. Otaku, rabid gamers, star trekkies, etc ... they all fall into same category. They choose to 'live' in a made-up universe, disconnected to real life matters or worse not able to distinguish between realities. To some, this is unappealing or may be deemed as geeky.

           

So biased...
The same goes to girls liking shiny rocks which men can never understands why its "pretty"...

Don't be so close minded, porn in any form be it high budget, amateur, webcam, hentai, comics, erotic stories, etc all have their own merits. Its how you use such material that makes the difference whether the person is creepy or not.

As for spending money on toys, what's the problem with that? Any different from women spending money on shoes/handbags? Its what they want to spend on, as long as they can afford it why not let them do what makes them happy? Why judge them for it?

Men never really grow up, there's always a little boy in him still. That boy is necessary to keep a man happy and in a sound state of mind, and every boy in a man has their own thing that makes them happy. If a man losses that part of him, a huge part of him dies inside. Look at any man who is happy and successful, there's always some stupid boyish thing he's doing on his free time.

You brought it up
Considering it is about a man with hobbies that a woman cannot understand, no it has everything to do with men and women. Hobbies are only a part of a person, if you judge a person by that part simply cause you can't understand it; ignoring his other parts, then that's just being prejudiced and close minded.

Exactly, and my point is that such hobbies/interests are fine and there's nothing wrong with it. Just like any other hobby or interest, its fine as long as you don't take it to the extreme. Like some of the others have noted, people who rather buy toys instead of paying their insurance premiums, car loans, etc. that's bad, but that's not the fault of their hobby, its the character itself, they would be doing the same thing regardless of what the hobby is.
yes, that's you, but you don't speak for all girls and it would be bad for TS to take you as an example because frankly your view point is rather narrow on this, and seems badly marred/biased due to previous experience.

I want a real man who watch porn rather than a boy who watch cartoon.
Also, spending money on stupid toys, this is the main reason I couldn't stand at all.

quit the debate and lets yamcha next week lolz 

You woke up at 2?

One thing for sure i probably wont be changing my hobbies, but i can try controlling the urges to buy the toys...besides, nowdays even I apply the "buy 1 toy, sell 1 toy" policy. that way, i can buy as much as i want, and at the same time, it wont accumulate more in my room.

And fyi, I aint a douchebag. Lol. If i am one, girls wont even want to talk to me at all!

Anyway, toys aside. They're just my hobby, nothing more. That doesnt mean i dunno anything about recent events/ common interests/ etc. I dun think I need to explain what my extensions of my knowledge, and besides they are off topic.

From wad I hv read, it seems many of u guys still associates Otaku as a "Densha Otoko"/ "Crazy dude that lives in anime/cartoon world without any sense of reality". This is really sad. It is really biased and offensive to many ppl, wad about ppl that loves to collect shoes? or handbags? or teddy bears? or even hello kitties? wad do u call them then? Normal??

I started this topic is to explain to ppl that whenever a person shares with u a hobby, dun straight away judge and assume things...True, I admit i collect transformers. I dun lie. But that is also NOT the end of my story. Its like tell u "hi my name is XXX", and quickly u assumed "his name is XXX so he must be a  XXX, XXX, XXX and XXX". We are not psychic or mind readers, let that person finish his story first, then ask questions like "do u hv any other hobbies?" I am more than happy to share wif u wad i know....and u might even be surprised.

Dont judge a book by its cover. Just becoz u think a person who loves anime/cartoon is childish, it doesnt mean its 100% true. I hv a fren (who is sadly single guy too) and he loves anime more than I do, but do u know how much he earns monthly? More than RM6k leh!! And his yearly bonus? Over RM9k!!! Thats becoz when he works at office, he really works real hard, and his programming skills are amazing!! Do u think the boss is so stupid to hire a childish fella to work in his company?

I responded to your response because its your kind of bias that TS is having a problem with. Like you said, there are people who still have their own preferences like wanting a virgin gf (although they don't mind sexing them up). Its their preference, its their choice, yes, but it also doesn't change the fact that its close minded and stupid.

And that is what irks me, the close mindedness. It doesn't matter whether its about otakus, handbags, dolls, hello kitties, cars etc. to judge a person by their hobbies is incredibly close minded. You don't have to like what they do, but to think of them negatively for it, that's screwed up; just be neutral about it. You never know what the future holds, one day your BF (maybe husband at that time) might get into anime and start collecting stuff like that, what you gonna do then? Break/divorce? Just cause he started a hobby you find unattractive? I think we both agree that would be rather silly.

Like others have said here, you can't expect people to change nor can you force them to change. I agree to that too. So do I expect you to change after I said all this? No, I don't. Although you can't change people, you can explain things to them so they get a better perspective. Whether they decide to assimilate that new information or not, is their prerogative.

I had a feeling this was going to come up.

You are right, there are reasons you don't like something, do you ever question what does reasons are? Is it because of bias? prejudice? stereotype? misunderstanding? There are things you can't change because its simply personal preference or built over years of social influence (your looks fall under this category). There are however things that you dislike out of bias and prejudice, the current otaku subject falls under this category.

So why do "otakus" turn you off? I bet, If we were to continue this line of inquiry, we will find that whatever you dislike about "otakus" has nothing to do with the hobby itself, but the person's character. The hobby is just how the bad traits manifested itself. Though most likely due to bad experience you've falsely associated both together.
For now, who knows what it is in the future. It might not be otaku stuff, but he could be spending his disposable income on other hobbies (men tend to do this), and you're going to think its a waste of money too and arguments begin. The hobby is "useless", no "practical value", "childish", "money can be used for better things", etc. etc. etc. Do you see? the real problem has not been addressed yet. Its simply been shrouded/delayed.

I've been talking about the toys they collect - the hobby, I had never even talk about how their character, like I already explain, waste of money.
Still, I don't see how it is bias or prejudice, I dislike it and it doesn't attract me, just that easy.

Why do you have to keep thinking about my bf MIGHT get this kind of hobbies ? He's a very rational person, who plans and save, he did thought of getting a new car before I wanted to explain to him about the installment, roadtax and etc, he stops himself.

Otaku - Anime ; Girls - HK/T/K/J Drama, same thing. Some guys dislike this kind of girls because this kind of girls are obsessed with it, of course, I'm talking about the extreme ones who will be none stop buying it and watching it 24/7 at home, not those who watch anime/drama to kill their time.

Its stupid to focus on the hobby as though its the problem. I stress again, its the person's character that determines whether the outcome of the hobby will be bad/good. So focus on that, and learn that with the right character, any hobby he has will only make him happy and a better man.

Again, it is stupid to keep trying to explain to me when I already said I THINK IT IS UNATTRACTIVE. It's like me explaining how fun it is to watch footballs to my girl friends when they are more into fashion and stuff. I dislike it, my business ; Otaku likes it and this make them a better person, their business. 

Yes, but she doesn't judge you for it. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE

She will, that's her, I will back off and not explain to her how awesome Ax7 is, continue enjoy my music.

Nope, I do not expect that, what I do expect or at least want to see, is less bias and prejudice in people.
Its because they take everything personally. There's a difference between saying or doing something stupid vs actually being stupid.

Everyone has their stupid moments, and everyone has their own prejudices, most of the time we may not even realise it. I have not personally called you stupid, but you seem to have taken it that way. What I've said is that the prejudice and close-mindedness you're showing is stupid. Does that mean you're stupid? No, the context remains where it is. It does not translate to the person you are as a whole. Did you miss the part where I was saying its not right to judge a person from just one aspect of their character?

That is why, I also told you the reason you've been explaining to me because you happens to have this 'hobby' which I find it uncool and unattractive. The way you explain sounds to me you are actually forcing.
From the beginning, I was here to say NO and WHY, personal preferences. You came in and make it looks like Y U NO LIKE OTAKU ? They are great person yada yada yada which I later explained, unattractive but I did not and will not look down on them or change them or call them childish or waste money or whatsoever.

I think it's waste of money, maybe I'm a stingy person ? I'm poor ? I find it uncool ? My thoughts, I shall keep it to myself but since TS asked, I just gave my 2 cents, donate him a post. (which you also trying to twist my words earlier, defame me for speaking for all girls, I don't know why you wanna do that, well no need to explain this, I don't really care since I did not say that or the women vs men part, I still fail to see why it will appears in here since Otaku has both men and women )

The thing here is that (what I see), you were offended and thus, every words I say, you tend to see it like it's such a bad thing to say.
Also this is what I feel now.

Shoot me, but not everyone who has hobbies or anime hobbies for example will portray themselves to be as one. For example, if you meet someone who totally looks normal, speaks normal, can make you laugh and carries himself like how a man should, maybe you might be interested in him.

But after dating him several times, he invites you to his home. You suddenly found out he is buying and collecting anime toys/models, would you find that unattractive? If you do, then that is prejudice and you prejudge him just from the fact that he has that hobby, even though he is just like any normal guy out there.

Would you suddenly change your opinion on him just based on the fact that he has that hobby? Now, if you tell me that when you go to his house, he suddenly puts on a costume and starts to act like an anime himself, then that would be reason enough to be turn off by that. I am sure many girls would. But if he is just like any ordinary guy, rejecting him for the fact that he buys the models is definitely prejudice to me.

If this world full of this kind of human, then u shall live in jungle.

Human revolusion until today bcos of imagination & logical thingking.

If like u said, they r sooo childish, then pls don't use the goolge eye hud.
Bcos the concept r based on Dragan ball Fliza team, a device to track his oppenent.

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Added on June 4, 2012, 5:56 pmbtw, back to Ts. R u look so OTaku.

Girl r like this, Just find a girl who r no clubbing (public toilet).

You keep saying that, but I don't think it's comparable at all. Having different tastes in food and drink is not the same as passing unreasonable judgments on people.

tered still alive, awaiting version 2

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Added on June 4, 2012, 9:25 pm
Don't sound like all anime and toy lover looks like this okay!!!!

Accuse you? We're just asking, if that person was one of the nicest person you met with no signs of being a nerd or talk like an anime/etc, you suddenly change your mind just because you found out he keeps those as his hobby? That's ridiculing his hobby. You don't have to like his hobby of course. But doesn't mean he suddenly become someone you dislike. Isn't he still the same person, irregardless of whether he keeps anime or transformers or play with gadgets or modify his cars?

If he already sot you, then you suddenly no sot bcoz he keeps toys?

Do you even know why you broke up with him? 'Cos it sure isn't clear from what you wrote here. Is it because your personality isn't gentle enough for him? And what does that have to do with his hobbies?

It seems you can't even distinguish between his hobbies and his character. That's how you're being judgmental: you seem to think all guys who collect Gundam figures have the same personality as your ex. Which is a ridiculous thing to think.

+1000 I guess she truly don't understand the meaning prejudice or prejudging.

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Added on June 5, 2012, 7:59 pm
you're not the only one who has to repeat. Like some of us have said, just because of one bad experience with a guy who likes that hobby, doesn't mean all are the same. If you say they are all the same, then that is where you are obviously wrong.

For example, if you had a bad experience working for an advertising firm, it doesn't mean ALL advertising firms are the same. You put everyone who likes that hobby into the same category. Who says you have to like the hobby?  You will reject someone who is absolutely nice just because he collects them?

Don't buy handbags, don't buy clothing every weeks, don't buy facial craps, don't pay for plastic surgery, don't waste money on stuffs that are deemed as 'money wasters' in our eyes. Respect others you little frog that lives in the well! People got their own hobbies, it's not like killing or torturing people anyway, they are morally right!     

Just because something is not your interest you say those who are interested in those stuffs are not good, what kind of mind is that?   

BTW I love computer games, I "wasted" a lot of money on computer games, that's not going to be higher than girls' expenditures anyway!   

So you think its not judgmental to qualify a person based on their hobbies? Don't you think that's rather shallow? That's like saying people who like to go clubbing are sluts, or girls who wear branded clothing are materialistic, or guys who drive sport cars are douchebags, etc. etc.
Maybe its because your english is poor that you've not understood what we're saying. I was going to respond to your response to mine, but I think this one highlights what you're not understanding.

Based on your story of your ex so far, it seems like you broke up because your character/personality/expectation was not compatible. The hobby wasn't really the key point of the break up correct? That means his "otakuness" wasn't the deal breaker in the relationship, but simply because you both were not compatible. There's a big difference there.

This is why I brought up scenarios with your current bf. Your answers to the scenarios will highlight what really is important in your evaluation of a relationship.
If you would break up with him just because he got into a hobby you dislike, that would mean you're just close minded/prejudiced,

In the end i think there's a miscommunication here. You said you wouldn't date "otakus", and most of us here took it as you judging the person based on his hobby, but it seems like you just meant you wouldn't cause of incompatibility in interests; there would be less things to talk about. So here's another question, if you have alot of other interests in common, but he has an additional interests which is anime/figurines, would he still be dateable in your eyes?

Who says she is qualifying a person based on hobbies ? It is saying this guy or girl is not my type. That's all. I know basically everyone here loves anime but why so touchy ? You people are getting protective because it touches something you like.

If you look at it objectively and take the hobby example out of the context, it is no different that someone saying he doesn't like quiet girls cause he  gets bored of them. It is his preference. He is not attracted to quiet girls. Are you going to bash him for his preference ? People can't be politically right for having own preferences ?

People don't choose who they get attracted to. It just happens. You can be an otaku with a heart of gold, but if a girl does have the hots for you, then you can't make her, reason with her or lecture her into submission. Feelings come naturally.

I still don't see how its the hobby that caused the break up and how you associate the break up is due to him being interested in otaku culture. It probably was part of the reason, though doesn't seem to be the core reason? Things can be positive, neutral or negative. Seems like his hobby was just a neutral thing for you. If you broke up with him cause he would rather hug an anime pillow than you, or spend his time and money on figurines rather than taking you out on dates. Then I would understand why you say you wouldn't date an otaku.

As it stands, your association of otaku with your break up doesn't make sense.
Answer doesn't have to be exact, you don't have to be held up to your answer, its just to see how you're thinking about the issue, so its clearer what you really think. I believe if you answered, the misunderstanding would be cleared up.
Which is what I'm trying to understand here. If she is simply saying that the otakus doesn't interest her, so they're unlikely candidates for her to date, that's fine. Nothing wrong there. However to say that a person is not dateable simply because they're into something she doesn't like/understand is close minded.
The funny thing is i'm not saying she must like otakus or their hobbies. I'm just saying don't judge a person on them. Doing so is close-minded. The impression she gave me was that if she didn't like the hobby (the otaku just happens to be the subject here), that person isn't partner material. That's just wrong on so many levels.
Yes, I'm often one to tell people here that attraction is not a choice. However, the issue here is not about attraction, its about repulsion. The repulsion is coming from stereotypes, and trust me I understand why people can get repulsed by otaku culture, but its not the problem with the hobby itself, its about the person's character.
I wonder if you noticed that the very points you just said, I and many others who are responding to uest91 have already pointed it out.
Likewise, don't judge people by stereotypes/misunderstandings. If someone does something to bore you, or offend you and you move away, that's fine and totally understandable. However, if you assume a person's character based on your assumptions from stereotypes, that's just being close-minded.

Try to understand, that there are 2 problems here
1. TS's approach with women needs work (if his hobbies doesn't attract women, then attract them some other way)
2. Society could do with less stereotyping

You people talk as though you must take sides, you don't. I can agree to both and still hold a discussion no?