I got apply both UTM and UKM, UTM is MEng, UKM is MSc. Which one should I choose in case I get both?

Is UKM any better than UTM? I apply full time coursework, and plan to work after master study. Which one will be preferred by multinational company?

EDITED. Didn't saw the "M"

This post has been edited by Human10: May 28 2012, 02:03 PM

if it is engineering, then UTM is better

yes, I agree with you.

UTM = 1ST uni kejuruteraan in malaysia..

I think UKM and UTM are rather different when it comes to medium, right? UKM teaches in Bahasa Melayu, UTM is in Bahasa Inggeris. Correct me if I'm wrong, since that's the whole purpose of UKM's establishment, anyway. To remove English and replace it with Bahasa Melayu dalam sistem pelajaran Malaysia demi sistem yang tidak mempunyai bahasa penjajah. (Quoting my rather zealous sejarah teacher from school days)

UKM lecturers are speaking BM and mainly BM based in tests. How could engineering subjects be taught in BM ? My goodness.

and hence, your siggy is in sarcasm. I can't even imagine doing SPM in English and BM in foundation and degree level.

Well ... I was unlucky because I learned BM in secondary and university. When I started to work, I found that English is really important.

It is very weird when scientific terms are translated into English. For example, beam in BM is 'rasuk' . You said 'rasuk' to engineers, they don't understand you.

ain't rasuk mean possessed?

tulang rusuk???==

UTM...are mix in teaching ...some still BM ,some exams are in dual-languages...

This post has been edited by honn: Jun 3 2012, 12:06 PM

double meanings .... that's why lah, really funny, right ?

seldom we have BM speaking engineers in Malaysia, they all speak English. I think, for other fields, English is still the most popular English spoken.

I had a hard time to improve my English when I started to work.

Did that affect your performance and pay?

Of course, when two employees , one could write and speak English efficiently and another one could only speak and write BM, if you are the boss, who would you pay more ?

During meeting, your boss and others are all speaking good English and you barely speak rojak English , how do you feel ?

another funny BM version : reinforced concrete - konkrit bertetulang

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Jun 3 2012, 12:19 PM

Currently taking Master in UTM. As far as i know, UTM is fully english, lecture, assignment, exam all in english

Yup, u are right.. If UKM, it will be in BM..
Don't know much about master level, but for degree level, have to suffer translating, because exams will be both in BM and English,its compulsory to answer in both languages...

sounds like a shit place to study in. no offense to people from UKM... most of my school teachers were from UKM, and they can't speak much English even though the subject's in English.

What , degree courses in BM ?! Economics in BM ? Medicine in BM ? Baffling .

No difference in Msc or MEng. Both are equal. As for the uni, go for utm. Reputable uni for engineering studies. You won't be disappointed.

I UKM graduated 2006-2009 in Eng Faculty, From 1st Year till last....All Lectures and Test in English. No BM laaa......

All subjects ? Tamadun also in English ? You studied Eng Faculty, that's another story la. I will have me eyes wide opened if you said teaching English in BM ...

Tamadun is not Faculty Subject, it s Subjek Umum for all UKM student(compulsary). All lectures in Eng. Faculty are in 100% English since i m in 1st Year, no BM speaking from lecturer during classes.....

How about other faculty ?

What I mentioned earlier was about about engineering faculty. It was taught in BM.

yeah, i told u my previos degree study at UKM Engineering Faculty which all lectures/assingment/Exam done in English....not BM, other faculty i donno....

P/s: When i mentioned Eng Faculty, its mean Engineering Faculty......

This post has been edited by omels: Jun 5 2012, 12:44 AM

I am from UKM and i don't find it offensive as there is a truth behind what you said..

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Added on June 5, 2012, 2:38 amNever knew engineering fac implemented full English.. As for law fac, its mixed up..lectures in BM, tutorials in English, exams will be in both BM and English..

This post has been edited by Geneveive: Jun 5 2012, 02:38 AM

Oh, my bad ... i thought Eng is English ... HAHAHA (yeah , now I recall, Eng is Engineering). Btw, I was in 2001, that time 90% subjects were in BM. Maybe changed to English medium again ? Whatever it is , I like NONE of UKM lecturers from Eng ( year 1999 to 2001) because they didn't teach effectively.

Yeah ... I still can't believe UKM lecturers could speak English well. I will check UKM website to find out whether my lecturers were still teaching there or not. Too bad if they are the same persons. Even they speak English now, I still not recommend students to study there because the lecturers are ego, irresponsible and incompetent.

p.s. Just check the website, front page in English and in Eng it is in BM .... haha. Meaning that rojak language is still implemented which is really bad.

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Jun 5 2012, 08:33 AM

the only thing i love about UTM is:

OIL AND GAS CAREER FAIR!!

each year got at least 2 career fairs. your pointer above than 3 just a little bit, you are already good. nothing to worry about. just make yourself looks good, prepared for similar interview question and iq test; you are ready for the interview from schlumburger, petrofac, mmc, halliburton, asturi metal and so on

and u know nothing of what u said

I should say mix, but some lecturers teach 100% in english

This post has been edited by Federer: Jun 5 2012, 03:35 PM

note in english ? exam paper in english ?

honestly i don't know about recent days. in my time, > 10 years ago, notes and test papers are all in BM. I still have the sample to show, if anyone interested to see and you will laugh to hell at the contents.

text books are all in English, and some how my lecturers (that time) never use text book in teaching. all the text books are from UK/ US.

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but we don't need to argue over this matter because your time and my time of study is different. I was studied BM in secondary for all subjects except English and Chinese. That time, UKM lecturers were 99% used BM as teaching language.

Later, my juniors were taught in English , maybe because of that, it is changed to English.

I will predict, under new education system, it will once again go back to BM as BM is used as teaching medium again in secondary level.

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Jun 5 2012, 03:58 PM

I would love to see the notes/test papers .

By the way, I would prefer UTM. I think the research facilities there are more complete than UKM, because the engineering faculty is bigger.

in 2006 my 1st year, and when we as a new student were briefing by Timbalan Dekan Prof Dr. Jailani about UKM Eng., one of that they showed us UKM Eng. Rank No. 1 on that year compare to other university, UTM is no 3 if i m not mistaken.

Other faculty maybe rojak language, but UKM Eng. nope, even during tutorial class also fully english.

It's good to hear that. Mind to tell which course you took ?

At last UKM made an improvement not like my time. Properly because we kept on complaining and gave poor feedback to Dekan.

i m computer n comm ENG....

the facilities are great but to use it, need to wait long que and many procedures

if i have free time this week, i got there and snap few pictures

arh ? got such course ... haha , i forgot we are not in the same year.

my time, the main Eng courses are E&E, civil, mechanical and chemical.