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TSclhgap
post May 24 2012, 04:31 PM, updated 14y ago

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Which is most suitable for long term? To paint walls, to tile or to put up wallpaper for walls in the house. If wallpaper is used, will it be difficult to change? Would tilling of walls help to save in the long run. Which is more costly of these 3 methods? Currently the paint at bottom of my walls of my house comes out, what is the solution ? If wallpaper is put up on these walls, will it come out like the paint? Has anyone used Sancora paint before? Is it good?
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post May 24 2012, 05:09 PM

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Hi,

May I know which wall you are talking about? Bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, living room?

IMO, wallpapers area always going out of fashion very fast (like clothes). Something that you may like now, you may not like it anymore 1-2 yrs down the road. Also removing of wallpaper are not easy. Need to scrap out.

Tiling is definately 'forever' if done properly but then if it's for living room & bedroom, will look weird.

For the paint that is peeling off, you should get someone to sand your wall and then paint it. If you just paint over it, it'll just peel off again in the future.
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post May 24 2012, 05:16 PM

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If water seepage is a problem, and bubbles appear under the paint layer of the walls, the only alternative is wall tiles. From experience my lower floor have this 1 wall that is basically the hillside which was cut from original level, for years, i endured the bubbles and frequent repainting every six month or so, finally installed wall tiles. I used the 1 x 2 ft tiles, and it have no ill effects since installed about 3 years ago.

As for wall paper, if you do decide to use, most important is the surface preparation, the type of glue to be used must compliment the wall paper type to be used. Different brands of wall paper have their distictive brand of glue. If proper installation, wall paper can withstand many many years......
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post May 24 2012, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(Shazzac @ May 24 2012, 06:09 PM)
Hi,

May I know which wall you are talking about? Bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, living room?

IMO, wallpapers area always going out of fashion very fast (like clothes). Something that you may like now, you may not like it anymore 1-2 yrs down the road. Also removing of wallpaper are not easy. Need to scrap out.

Tiling is definately 'forever' if done properly but then if it's for living room & bedroom, will look weird.

For the paint that is peeling off, you should get someone to sand your wall and then paint it. If you just paint over it, it'll just peel off again in the future.
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Actually i was thinking for the bedroom and also living room.

Currently it is a trend to put up wallpaper. There are quite a variety and interesting wallpapers to choose from. If i want to change it, how to take out the wallpaper. Is scrapping out wallpaper the only solution? Another thing, to put up wallpaper, do we need to repaint wall first?

I saw some nice tiles at this Houz website which they recommend for the frontage. I was wondering whether this would look nice in homes.

hmm, sand the wall. Hope that works. now the walls looks quite ugly as paint is coming out at the bottom. what is the cause of it ?


Added on May 24, 2012, 5:51 pm
QUOTE(jumpstat @ May 24 2012, 06:16 PM)
If water seepage is a problem, and bubbles appear under the paint layer of the walls, the only alternative is wall tiles. From experience my lower floor have this 1 wall that is basically the hillside which was cut from original level, for years, i endured the bubbles and frequent repainting every six month or so, finally installed wall tiles. I used the 1 x 2 ft tiles, and it have no ill effects since installed about 3 years ago.

As for wall paper, if you do decide to use, most important is the surface preparation, the type of glue to be used must compliment the wall paper type to be used. Different brands of wall paper have their distictive brand of glue. If proper installation, wall paper can withstand many many years......
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Most of the walls in my house has this paint peeling off at the bottom. That why i need advice for solution of this and also which one will be most suitable and not too costly.

There are so many type of wallpaper in the market, which type is recommended? Has anyone wallpapered the whole house before?

This post has been edited by clhgap: May 24 2012, 05:51 PM
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post May 24 2012, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(clhgap @ May 24 2012, 05:46 PM)
Actually i was thinking for the bedroom and also living room.

Currently it is a trend to put up wallpaper. There are quite a variety and interesting wallpapers to choose from. If i want to change it, how to take out the wallpaper. Is scrapping out wallpaper the only solution? Another thing, to put up wallpaper, do we need to repaint wall first?

I saw some nice tiles at this Houz website which they recommend for the frontage. I was wondering whether this would look nice in homes.

hmm, sand the wall. Hope that works. now the walls looks quite ugly as paint is coming out at the bottom. what is the cause of it ?
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Well, you also say it's a 'trend' to put up wallpaper. For myself, I don't follow 'trends', I just will go something evergreen so won't be an eyesore 1-2 yrs down the road.

Yes, wallpaper need to scrap, it's usually stuck to the wall with glue. I'm not sure about wallpaper application but i believe that the walls need to be levelled, otherwise if say the wall not straight, end up, the wallpaper won't be affix nicely. Not sure bout repainting though.

Usually when paints comes off from the wall, maybe because when painting, got lots of bubbles and sometimes it's coz the room next door is probably the toilet. Humidity is usually the cause as well.
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post May 24 2012, 07:15 PM

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For wallpaper installation first step is to use scrapper to scrape off all the debrie. If your wall is even then no issue. But if your wall surface is not even, then the installer will need to use sand paper to even it after scrapping, then wipe it and only apply glue.
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post May 25 2012, 11:10 AM

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Another alternative is to cover the wall with panels.
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post May 25 2012, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(phoenix69 @ May 25 2012, 11:10 AM)
Another alternative is to cover the wall with panels.
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That's for a feature wall only e.g. TV console area. You can't be doing that for all walls in a houses like is done in lecture hall or hotel banquet hall.

Wallpaper looks good initially but the reality is that it does not last in our type of climate. The edges peels off sooner or later. Just ask any houseowner who has experience using wallpaper.

You use wall tiles for bathroom and kitchen only. Tiles in the living room would be wierd.

Painting is still the most practical and economical. Some people use textured finish (spray acrylic) which is more expensive.
Better save the money to buy some nice paintings to decorate and liven up the walls.
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post May 25 2012, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Shazzac @ May 24 2012, 07:43 PM)
Well, you also say it's a 'trend' to put up wallpaper. For myself, I don't follow 'trends', I just will go something evergreen so won't be an eyesore 1-2 yrs down the road.

Yes, wallpaper need to scrap, it's usually stuck to the wall with glue. I'm not sure about wallpaper application but i believe that the walls need to be levelled, otherwise if say the wall not straight, end up, the wallpaper won't be affix nicely. Not sure bout repainting though.

Usually when paints comes off from the wall, maybe because when painting, got lots of bubbles and sometimes it's coz the room next door is probably the toilet. Humidity is usually the cause as well.
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Agreed, wallpaper is a trend. Have a variety of option to consider whether costly or practical.

Have to sand the wall first before doing anything.

Paneling can be considered for certain walls.

How much is a tin and litres of texture finish paint? If it is for the whole single storey house minus bathroom and kitchen, approximately how many tins would be needed? What brand?

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post May 25 2012, 02:16 PM

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Paint la , wallpaper got glue ,not good for heAlth
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QUOTE(clhgap @ May 25 2012, 02:10 PM)
Agreed, wallpaper is a trend. Have a variety of option to consider whether costly or practical.

Have to sand the wall first before doing anything.

Paneling can be considered for certain walls.

How much is a tin and litres of texture finish paint? If it is for the whole single storey house minus bathroom and kitchen, approximately how many tins would be needed? What brand?
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I'm not very experienced in paint prices and types of paint.

I think the others would be able to help.
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post May 25 2012, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Shazzac @ May 25 2012, 03:36 PM)
I'm not very experienced in paint prices and types of paint.

I think the others would be able to help.
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ok Shazzac, thanks.
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post May 25 2012, 04:53 PM

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If your wall is no good painting it will show even more. wall paper will overcome this problem. You need no even wall with wallpaper. No need to sand. If you want to sand it why not plaster it cheaper with fine plaster power white in colour.

The paint peeling off from bottom is becasue of moisture water being suck up by capilary action. Painting and wallpapering will have problem. Apply waterproofing cement slurry coating up 1 foot above the problem area. It wont add up a thick layer like plastering but a thin coat of cement, apply it like painting. You can use Sika top 107.

With proper papering the edges wont peel off.

Once tiled that is you can never change it as it is too expensive to re-tile, moreover if one piece is broken you cannot find another same pattern after the batch no longer in manufacturing.

Taking off wall paper is easier than taking off tiles.

In conclusion:

paint when your wall is smooth.

Wall paper when it is too expensive to cover the uneveness of your wall.

Tile is for floor, toilet wall and kichen wall.

In such cases you got to do
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post May 27 2012, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ May 25 2012, 05:53 PM)
If your wall is no good painting it will show even more. wall paper will overcome this problem. You need no even wall with wallpaper. No need to sand. If you want to sand it why not plaster it cheaper with fine plaster power white in colour.

The paint peeling off from bottom is becasue of moisture water being suck up by capilary action. Painting and wallpapering will have problem. Apply waterproofing cement slurry coating up 1 foot above the problem area. It wont add up a thick layer like plastering but a thin coat of cement, apply it like painting. You can use Sika top 107.

With proper papering the edges wont peel off.

Once tiled that is you can never change it as it is too expensive to re-tile, moreover if one piece is broken you cannot find another same pattern after the batch no longer in manufacturing.

Taking off wall paper is easier than taking off tiles.

In conclusion:

paint when your wall is smooth.

Wall paper when it is too expensive to cover the uneveness of your wall.

Tile is for floor, toilet wall and kichen wall.

In such cases you got to do
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Thanks Stevie8. Will take into consideration all that. I was also looking at paneling. How many panels set needed for a wall? Whether shops sell packages of panels.

As for the bottom of the walls where paint is peeling off, might consider doing skirting/tiling to avoid recurrence of this.


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post May 28 2012, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(phoenix69 @ May 25 2012, 11:10 AM)
Another alternative is to cover the wall with panels.
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What kind of panels? Any pics?
Where do I get it done?
Thanks

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post May 28 2012, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 28 2012, 08:31 AM)
What kind of panels? Any pics?
Where do I get it done?
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My friend got it done via an ID which employed a cabinet supplier. hmm.gif
I guess you can try discussing the options avalaible with cabinet suppliers (the guys that supply kitchen cabinet and wardrobe) icon_idea.gif
As for pictures, google images - wall panel (so many options rclxub.gif )
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post May 28 2012, 10:19 AM

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oh its made of wood then? thanks in advance

like this?

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post May 28 2012, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(clhgap @ May 27 2012, 06:18 PM)
Thanks Stevie8. Will take into consideration all that. I was also looking at paneling. How many panels set needed for a wall? Whether shops sell packages of panels.

As for the bottom of the walls where paint is peeling off, might consider doing skirting/tiling to avoid recurrence of this.
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Skirting with tile or any skirting is ok if the skirting is high enough to cover the peeling areas. Better check, otherwise, do water proofing easier and cheaper. Remember, when water cannot come out of surface it goes further up as it accumulate!!! ohmy.gif That is why I said waterproofing it one foot above the problem areas. Skirting usually only few inches like 3 to 4 inches only.

Allow me to give you a better understanding. Concrete breath! Water cannot go thru concrete unless it is very porous and thin. But water vapor can. If you pour some water on the floor by tomorrow the pool of water is still there with some evaporated. If you use a plastic sheet covering a bear concrete floor overnight you will see some water on that floor area and/or underneath the plastic sheet. Where these water come from? From the floor underneath via water vapor. The water vapor will travel thru the concrete up to the surface and since there is a plastic sheet it condensed on the plastic sheet. That is why people say it is not good to sleep on a bear concrete floor. You get "foong sap" or wind-water or "masuk angin".

Why certain part of the bottom of the wall get so much water and some less or none?

1. The area underneath receive a lot of water
2. The wall concrete is too porous with too much sand and too little cement and same to its plaster.

The other area not that they do not have, it is because the water vapor was so little it passed thru the paint or wall paper without condensation (or have no chance of condensation and passes thru the paint/wall paper and/or condensed but then re-evaporated quickly.

By applying a layer of waterproofing do not mean the water vapor cannot get thru. Water vapor will still get thru but much less and so little that there will be no condensation.
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QUOTE(phoenix69 @ May 28 2012, 10:26 AM)
My friend got it done via an ID which employed a cabinet supplier.  hmm.gif
I guess you can try discussing the options avalaible with cabinet suppliers (the guys that supply kitchen cabinet and wardrobe)  icon_idea.gif
As for pictures, google images - wall panel (so many options rclxub.gif )
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i saw some sample wall panels on Houz E-brochure from its website.


Added on May 28, 2012, 2:20 pm
QUOTE(stevie8 @ May 28 2012, 03:12 PM)
Skirting with tile or any skirting is ok if the skirting is high enough to cover the peeling areas. Better check, otherwise, do water proofing easier and cheaper. Remember, when water cannot come out of surface it goes further up as it accumulate!!! ohmy.gif That is why I said waterproofing it one foot above the problem areas. Skirting usually only few inches like 3 to 4 inches only.

Allow me to give you a better understanding. Concrete breath! Water cannot go thru concrete unless it is very porous and thin. But water vapor can. If you pour some water on the floor by tomorrow the pool of water is still there with some evaporated. If you use a plastic sheet covering a bear concrete floor overnight you will see some water on that floor area and/or underneath the plastic sheet. Where these water come from? From the floor underneath via water vapor. The water vapor will travel thru the concrete up to the surface and since there is a plastic sheet it condensed on the plastic sheet. That is why people say it is not good to sleep on a bear concrete floor. You get "foong sap" or wind-water or "masuk angin".

Why certain part of the bottom of the wall get so much water and some less or none?

1. The area underneath receive a lot of water
2. The wall concrete is too porous with too much sand and too little cement and same to its plaster.

The other area not that they do not have, it is because the water vapor was so little it passed thru the paint or wall paper without condensation (or have no chance of condensation and passes thru the paint/wall paper and/or condensed but then re-evaporated quickly.

By applying a layer of waterproofing do not mean the water vapor cannot get thru. Water vapor will still get thru but much less and so little that there will be no condensation.
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Wow! Thanks for the detailed explanation. smile.gif Appreciate it.

I have this wall peeling at the bottom on nearly all the walls of my house. Will do water proofing first before doing anything else than.

Thanks.

This post has been edited by clhgap: May 28 2012, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 28 2012, 10:19 AM)
oh its made of wood then? thanks in advance

like this?

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There are other material options other than wood but $$$$$$ the limiting factor. tongue.gif

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