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 Auction house VS High court auction, the difference ? which is better ?

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michaellee
post May 23 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ May 23 2012, 10:48 AM)
One of the reason from auction house switch to High Court because the property got no bidders for quite some time.

Usually High court will pay all outstanding fees and reserve price more cheaper.  rclxm9.gif
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Totally wrong advice mate. High courts deal with properties with proper title or those that has already been stratafied. Auction house deals with master titled properties, or properties whose titles have yet to perfected.

Depending on the security documents the bank has on the borrower, they will dictate on how the auction should be carried out. Even if the property has been stratafied but the title has yet to be perfected, then only LACA can be done. High court will not accept such properties. In fact LACA is not without risks and if anything, anyone who is inexperience should avoid LACA and go for high court auction only as the risks are a lot (and i mean A LOT) lower for high court auction.

1 year plus ago, a lot of high court auctions do not pay for outstanding fees. It is only recently that they standardise the POS across west malaysia, that we find POS telling us the bank will pay for outstandings inclusive of maintenance and utilities. If you read National Land Code, the bank is NOT oblige to pay such outstandings. They are required only to pay quit rent and assessment and anything that the government wants, not private.

Valuation is not cheaper on high court. It is the same. House A will cost X amount of money in both LACA and high court. Valuers will give two values on a property. OMV (open market value) and FSV (forced sale value). FSV is usually 10% off the OMV.


Added on May 23, 2012, 11:12 am
QUOTE(RedBishop @ May 23 2012, 10:48 AM)
auction house is better than high court from what i think
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Not true. Please read the above.

This post has been edited by michaellee: May 23 2012, 11:12 AM
michaellee
post May 23 2012, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(jalsrix @ May 23 2012, 12:00 PM)
Thanks for giving info generously  notworthy.gif
(unlike that michaellee who is stingy with info when asked, but when we don't ask, he likes to shoot rubbish from his mouth  whistling.gif )
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LOL.. If you want to pick, also pick the post with the correct info. I have actually corrected the info. IDIOT, where is the name of your lawyer? The more you evade the worse your reputation becomes. Unless of course you admit right away you are nothing but a liar and that you made up those imaginary lawyers! It is a good thing that slowly the forumers are now seeing lights and knows you bullshit your way around!

I have never been stingy with my advices and duly given when asked nicely. People like you thinks I owe you enough to provide you with everything. LIAR LIAR! Come on, give me the names of your lawyers! Now that your lawyer has pointed to you it is legal to rent out daily for service apartment but not for others, I lagi mahu the nama of your lawyers! Unless of course they are imaginary! What an idiot! BODOH! Every property you attempted to buy you sure kena cheated by either the banker, lawyers or agents! How much more of a loser can one get? LOSER AND LIAR!

Post more, you entertain me by allowing me to get back at you non stop.
michaellee
post May 23 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ May 23 2012, 12:27 PM)
But maybe my info not 100% correct and always welcome new info.

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Personally prefer Auction house cause is easier to get compare with High court.

Rather waiting to fight with 20-30 bidders better off with 2-3 bidders.

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Hi Alvin,

Avoid conversation with Jalsrix la. That fella spews rubbish and to date had lied about lawyers giving him ILLEGAL advices which he claimed is legal. I have already issued him a challenge to name the LAWYERS (note plural) and until he does, his reputation is in the gutters. I believe he is trying to hide his lack of experiences but yet still want to look helpful by passing off opinions (which he claimed his lawyers have given him) as genuine legal advice. This person is a very dangerous person on a property forum where any purchases would amounts to hundreds of thousands to millions. He should be kicked off a public forum like this one. Cheers.
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post May 23 2012, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(dream.angels @ May 23 2012, 02:19 PM)
u mean auction house only have 2-3 bidders...?
but i've been to auction house approx 10 bidders... *confused*
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To be honest, most auction houses properties have less bidders than high court auction and in some ways Alvin may be right. High court auction attracts a lot of bidders due to a lot less inherent risks compared with LACA properties. A hot property will always be hot. The only difference is whether the property can only be sold via LACA or high court. An auctioneer cannot choose the method of auction, only the property, with or without title will determine the type of auction.
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post May 23 2012, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ May 23 2012, 04:51 PM)
I think i'm wrong in that part.

How about land office ? Sometime auction take part in land office at government office there.

What's the reason ?  hmm.gif
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As per what scorgio had said, those with good title will be auctioned off at either land office or high court, but since 99% actually take place at high court, i usually lump them up and say high court.
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post May 24 2012, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(cloner @ May 23 2012, 10:52 PM)
LACA auction banks bear the maintenance, water + eletric bill owe before auction date right?  & by way of buyer pays upfront n later claim back from bank, how long does it takes roughly for bank to refund to buyer?
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Not necessary true. Though High Court auction, most of these are being borne as the POS are standardised. Best to refer each individual case accordingly to their POS.
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post May 29 2012, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(vinkon @ May 28 2012, 11:21 PM)
Actually there are pro & cons to LACA and NLC auctions, but generally I  agrees that NLC aka highcourt/Land office auctions are better as the titles are charged to the bank. So meaning when you are successful in NLC auction the ownership of title will be directly transferred to your name, hence you only need to pay only once on the legal fees.

As for LACA (Loan Agreement cum Assignment), if the title yet to be issued you'll need to pay the legal fees for re-assignment and later when the title is issued you will need to pay another fees for transfer.

But for NLC auction there is a risk where the title is caveat by an unknown individual or organisation. If so you'll have a pretty hard time to clear the caveat or even complete the sale. If you can't complete the deposit paid initially will be forfeited as there will no extension of time for NLC auctions.

On the other hand, LACA have no such risk cause the title is not perfected and if you can't make it in time to complete the sale you can apply for an extension of time (normally comes with interest chargeable)...
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If you buy high court auction, one should be prepared to have cash. Even if there are no caveat, sometimes, it does take time to do the drawdown from your end financier.

LACA also depends on bank, most banks would allow extension, but there are some who might be recalcitrant.
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post Jun 21 2012, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Jun 20 2012, 12:46 AM)
Auction house ,with Master TITLE  / TITLE not yet perfected.

What's the problem with this ?? Can not sell out to other after this ??
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You can sell what. No problem. Just need to do reassignment instead of charge.

 

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