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post Jun 26 2012, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 09:53 AM)
you mean the armor bonus + reflect passive? idkman, do you even feel that reflect is any good? lol

some of the skills mechanics doesnt even make sense for barb imo
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Nope... He meant by the 30% automatic built-in dmg reduction that only monks and barbarians have.... Not the skills....
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post Jun 26 2012, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 10:05 AM)
eh? u sure? i thought armor def calculation reduct all types of dmg? including arcane, desc etc etc, just that the ratio needed is larger in numbers


Added on June 26, 2012, 10:08 am
nvr notice any difference srsly, macam sama je...the so called 30% seems non existant. or maybe they already ninja patch it off but forgot to change the loading screen, or best, they just put it there coz they assume monks and barbs are the tanker class lol
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Armor is quite important as well.... Never neglect that.... And yes, it basically reduces any dmg types that u hav dealt but however, resistance is more important....

As for the 2nd part, I do think it exist and we can take 1 or 2 more hits than other classes but that's pretty much it to me....

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 26 2012, 10:10 AM)
Very sure. I had very good armor (10K+). No good at all.
It is better to build the barb on all resistance.

If you notice, many chose to have low armor helm for their barbs nowadays.
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It's actually about balance to be honest.... If I were to rate the stats based on importance, I will rate it like this...

Resistance > Vitality > Str / Armor

So far, from what I've experienced, I think this is the way to go.... But nvr neglect the stats cos everything counts....
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post Jun 26 2012, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 26 2012, 10:21 AM)
Barb is the most difficult class, IMO.
You need to have balance attributes, offensively and defensively.

You still need minimum 9K for the armor.
800 for the AR (before war cry).
50K for the HP.

It is not easy to build that.
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Barb is not the most difficult class but the most geared dependent class to me....

And actually, those defense are not hard to get.... The problem is the balance as u said.... But one thing's for sure is that u need to get gear for survival 1st then once u r able to survive, then go balance ur DPS.... I think it's the most sensible thing to do plus ppl expects a barb to be "Tough as Nails" so that we can help them to cross acts.... LOL!!!
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post Jun 26 2012, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 26 2012, 10:21 AM)
Yes, this is exactly what I found too.

But one thing is still lacking, health generation.
Barbs still need to wait for the "casting time" for the health potion.
And Barbs could get killed within a second for that.  laugh.gif
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Health regen can get it through skills if u don't hav gear.... U can hav something like Ignore Pain with Ignorance is Bliss rune and Inspiring Presence passive.... That will keep u alive for quite sometime until u hav the gear to replace that.... Depends on how u play the game....

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jun 26 2012, 10:24 AM)
I thought AR and Armor worked in tandem for damage mitigation.

100k damage taken.
Armor reduction 60%.
40k damage taken.
AR reduction 60%.
16k damage taken.

End result, what would be a 100k hit ends up being 16k. Do correct me if I'm mistaken on the mechanics. I think us barbs focus a lot on AR because while Armor comes naturally to us through STR, AR does not.
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Barbs focus a lot on AR but they also hav armor on their eq for added advantage other than STR.... As I've said before, AR is the most important stat to me IMO.... But I can tell u that there are ways to make ur chars tanky other than just solely pumping AR cos AR doesn't come cheap....


Added on June 26, 2012, 10:33 am
QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 26 2012, 10:30 AM)
Yep, i could not have said it better myself.

Geared dependent, and it could cost you 50-60 millions D3 gold.  laugh.gif
And that makes it a lot more difficult.

Offensively, Barbs need DPS, crit %, crit damage + atk speed %.
Defensively, Barbs need AR, other resistance (bonus), vitality and even block rate (for those who want to "block").

It is darn expensive to have those gears nowadays.
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That's why it's hard to balance it out... But I think I know some ways to get cheaper DPS than stacking 3 stats like that while maintaining defense.... But I would hav to get more gold to test it out and also gears nowadays are pretty crappy in the AH now....

And I can tell u that as for block rate, it's not really that essential with the current patch.... So, save ur money for other stuff....

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post Jun 26 2012, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(mugenz @ Jun 26 2012, 10:36 AM)
the difference armor give is not very high compared to AR.

if u try use leap with armor increase 300%, u leap then u check your armor then mouse over. it only give me additional 13% reductiion over 300% increase in armor.

Thats like =.=
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That's why I've mentioned before that AR is the most important for my stat ranking but that 13% reduction also helps in some way.... It's the little things that help the most sometimes....

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 26 2012, 10:41 AM)
Life regen gear?
Then Barb will need to have 200millions gears.  laugh.gif

Imagine you need a helm with AR, crit damage, strength, vitality, armor + life regen.
That alone can cost you 30m gold.
And a glove with IAS, crit %, crit damage, AR + life regen.
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Not really, depending how u look at that.... Of cos that's best case scenario if u hav the money.... If no, then there are ways for u to achieve the same thing but with lesser money....
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jun 26 2012, 10:52 AM)
Diminishing returns.
If you already have high armor, you will notice a smaller increase in reduction for every additional point of armor. It's actually the same case for AR, but most barbs don't notice it as most have high armor and AR doesn't come naturally.

Try getting 900 AR unbuffed. Then Warcry for the AR boost, you won't even get an additional 13% reduction.
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Yeap.... The more u hav the lesser it becomes.... That's why balance is the key.... But also, u cannot say more is not good.... It contradicts.... cry.gif

QUOTE(bakabakayaro @ Jun 26 2012, 10:55 AM)
actually, i think, the problem we face.. is not really about getting gear.. gear is abundant in AH, the problem is its blooody expensive, and we farm much slower than other classes since we do not have a glass canon spec, and really rely much on gear to farm. of course we can always buy magic find and gold find, but would be very tough for ppl who just reach 60.. even i am having trouble farming gold to buy gears i need =.=
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I used to think like that.... But believe me, spend few hours on farming.... Do u know how much hours ppl spent by farming gears to sell??? If u managed to do the same thing, then u'll hav no problems....

MF to me is not really essential since MF is only to help more drops for loot and not the quality of it.... I farm without MF gear and I get better eq compared to some of my frens who has decent MF.... U might wanna think about that....
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 26 2012, 11:06 AM)
Act 1 is no problem.
Act 2 is where the problem begins.  laugh.gif
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Not really.... If u step into inferno without resists, act 1 is a problem also....
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 11:13 AM)
havent even started crafting man, the craft cost for 6 prop weapons is a killer lol, 100k+ gold per craft, non inclusive of mats pricing weh, if roll shit stats, rly gg lol
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It's not really that expensive.... Last time it's used to be 85k + mats.... Now I think they've reduced the crafting amount already....

The most expensive is the recipe.... If u can afford the recipe, the crafting costs to u is like almost nothing....
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 11:17 AM)
crafting cost for 6 properties arent reduced, they are still 100k+ per craft, the ones that are reduced are 5 and 4 properties
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Ic ic... But still, the costs is like nothing.... tongue.gif
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(bakabakayaro @ Jun 26 2012, 11:25 AM)
I need a new bunch of friends to farm inferno act1 or 2. lol
my current group.. very suey one.. me barb, wiz DH and WD, farm farm farm, sometimes they get something good thati can use, then they will say, I'm keeping this for my alt/friend/gf/bro/sis etc.. damn dulan! lol

act 1 i'm ok. can solo also, maybe die twice or thrice.. get about 30+ rares after 5NV arden butcher and clearing act1 elites/champions, but out fo that 30+ usually all lapsap.. maybe 1 can sell for a few hundred k, the rest either worth 10k or not worth putting in AH, sad.gif and i'm a casual player,, dun really have time to camp AH all the time.. so.. meh.. sux to be a casual player then lol
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My only advice is continue farming act 1 and I can tell u that act 1 is the best farming spot among all of the acts since it can be easily cleared and have good drop rates.... Act 1 farming is simply the best now especially the increase in repair costs.... U don't really need to farm in a group as a barb.... If u can solo, do it.... They can't solo that's why they need a barb to tank most of the crap.... That's why I don't really farm in a group anymore.....

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jun 26 2012, 11:25 AM)
Spoken like a true rich man. biggrin.gif
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LOL!!! I wish I'm rich.... But seriously what is 100k to u nowadays in D3??? U can't even buy any decent eq with that.... Last time maybe.... But after looking at the current prices, I was like holy crap.... shocking.gif

QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 11:27 AM)
im too casual to call that nothing lol, i can do stuff at a very lazy/leisure way that sometimes my friends complain about it ahaha
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LOL!!! But in the end, u craft like 10 items in one go, there's sure to be a good item or a decent item to sell.... thumbup.gif
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(jackiewong @ Jun 26 2012, 11:33 AM)
Thats y i stay in act1...  tongue.gif .. just praying very hard to get lvl 63 gears in act1 run lo..
my gang all without MF 1.. MF doesnt guarantee u better gear what.. better gear drop depends on ur luck.. normally my gang will find elites to get 5nv then go for imprisoned angel till butcher.. quite a good run.. just gold only can get 200k+ per run + selling gears.. not that bad actually..
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I also stay in act 1 since other acts are giving me headaches all the time.... It's not that I can't do certain acts... Just dun wan to go through all the trouble only.... And yes, 1 run can get u roughly 100k-200k gold and some gears to sell for side income.... I tried farming for half a day in act 1 and i made 1mil easily.... Plus nowadays with drop rate adjustment, act 1 is even more fun cos u can get ilvl63 items.... But for me, I mostly pray for legendaries.... laugh.gif

And yes, MF doesn't guarantee quality.... MF only gives u more drops when u kill something and MF doesn't work on chests like last time..... But GF on the other hand will be much useful compared to MF.... better to hav GF than MF....
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(jackiewong @ Jun 26 2012, 11:38 AM)
play alone very sienz la... lately i only play when friends are available.. i found out that there is no excitement i can get from d3 except playing with friends je..
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Sien is true but the bosses will hav extended health and imagine this, ur frens always die and left u alone standing.... Would it be better off if I solo then??? This happens to me all the time since most of my frens are not tankers.... All also play ranged tofu chars....

I also like to play with frens but my frens are always not available.... So, I have to do it alone....

QUOTE(bakabakayaro @ Jun 26 2012, 11:39 AM)
But sometimes i feel its faster/easier/dont die so much in a group, cuz the mobs has less focus on one person. Lol! Yea, everynight camping AH and farming ACT1 gets kinda boring.. and i only can play abt 3 hours a day. haha. oh well.. if u guys get any nice drops sell to me cheap cheap.. wkakaka
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Well, if u can solo clear act 1 fast enuf, I can guarantee u that ur frens will be begging u to join their game.... True story bro...
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(bakabakayaro @ Jun 26 2012, 11:42 AM)
Wait, ur runs.. is from where? i go agony 2, then if i havent get 5NV i go cemetary, then go back for warden, then to butcher.. that takes about 40 mins.. but only get about 50k? how come u guys get so much! lol. maybe i have 0 GF and MF sad.gif
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My runs are simple and this is my route:

The Festering Woods -> Cemetery of the Forsaken -> Northern Highlands -> Old Ruins -> Halls of Agony and so on...

I cleared every elite I can find in every map.... If u are clearing too slow, then ur gear is not good enuf.... I can tell u that I hav 19 for GF and MF is 0.... I dun rely on that but GF sometimes give me some bonuses....

If u wan a shorter one then this is the route u can follow:

The Festering Woods (3-4 NV) -> Cemetery of the Forsaken (1 NV cos u get the champ at start) -> Northern Highlands (1 NV cos the champ will be there) / Cemetery of the Forsaken (1 NV in one of the crypts) -> Halls of Agony and so on....

This is the fastest way I can think of.... Last time Festering Woods have 5 stacks so u can dive straight in.... Now it seems that they removed the additional quest....
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post Jun 26 2012, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(jackiewong @ Jun 26 2012, 11:48 AM)
nod.gif .. i got few legendaries after 1.0.3 patch.. but all rubbish.. haha.. i put it in AH.. only sold out at 7k.. but still better than selling it to shop la..  tongue.gif seem like im not lucky enough to get decent gear.. n i found out normally u will get ur opposite char gear rather than ur char.. so my gang normally with wiz n dh.. so will share gear together lo.. as long as good for each others than just give it...


Added on June 26, 2012, 11:51 am
damn it.. u r barb.. if u r other char sure i add u.. i got some decent gear from my friends also.. they even wait till i online to ask me before they sell it.. but seem like im not that lucky.. couldnt get nice gear to share them .. but everytime i get something not bad will show it in the chat box.. if my friends want it then i jsut give it
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I'm still getting good items from act 1.... I won't abandon this especially the repair costs have skyrocketed.... I mostly farm gears to sell and buy on the AH for the gear I wan since act 1 can't give u the gear that u wan.... Must rely on AH a lot....

Do u know the most lethal combo for farming act 1??? And monks and DH are not included.... If u really wanna farm, consider 3 barbs and a wiz with shitloads of DPS.... Barbs rotate tank and wiz completely destroys everything when it's all grouped together....
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post Jun 26 2012, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(jackiewong @ Jun 26 2012, 12:02 PM)
oh?.. no idea about the combo.. haha.. the wiz n dh are pure dps.. so everytime i just jump into elites n turn saiyan then whack n tank for them.. seem like it works for my gang... haha.. if anything bad happen i just leap out n run  tongue.gif
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I'm talking about the most optimum way of undergear farming.... Should try it sometimes.... Obviously, any class can farm is just that how u farm smoothly and how long it takes to clear the map.... To me, that's the most efficient way of farming....
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post Jun 26 2012, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 12:04 PM)
lol hell no xD

1 monk, 1 barb, 2 wiz man

monk dont even need to move, both melee will be almost perma stunning crowd, 2 wiz dps, yesterday did this, we cleared act1 in less than 20mins iirc
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It depends.... For me, 3 barbs works fine.... And yes, monks hav heal so that barb don't need to move.... I'm just suggesting the best way for undergear.... I think that's already OP as for ur gear goes.... laugh.gif


Added on June 26, 2012, 12:09 pm
QUOTE(bakabakayaro @ Jun 26 2012, 12:06 PM)
how long u guys spend in act1 before u restart? and roughly how much u get? solo wise with no mf/gf stuff. need to compare myself. see wat is my prob... later tonight before maintanence i show my stat changes since last week. lolz
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Pretty much the same as last time but the chances of getting higher ilvl eq is better.... That's for me....

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post Jun 26 2012, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 26 2012, 12:11 PM)
no man lololol, my gear is quite MF/GF based, i wear it all the time, its entry lvl imo, i still cant tank that much, im saying monk doing the tanking, i just supply impunity buff, aoe stuns and keeping the dps safe lol.

main key is still the sync as a team regardless of what the team consists
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True also.... Depends on how u look at it..... Any combo works fine as long as everyone knows how to do their part.....
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post Jul 16 2012, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 16 2012, 01:49 PM)
Both my WD and Barb in act 2 inferno now.

For barb, how does the ignore pain skills help? After I cast and jump to the elite (iron impact), the Hp still reduce so fast. Did I use it wrongly?

Btw , barb armour: 6.9k and all resist 400++
Dps : 25k. Hp: 32k
All this is before buff.
Is it my AR too low for barb?
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Ur stats is fine... Minimum AR for act 2 is 400++.... Maybe u r not cycling ur CDs correctly.... Also maybe u should bump ur hp to 40k++... That might help more....

QUOTE(LiQuiD @ Jul 16 2012, 02:34 PM)
minimum 800 AR for act 2..armour 8-9k minimum
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Not really.... His stats are ok...

QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 16 2012, 03:05 PM)
Means that the skill ignore pain doesn't help if the AR  and armour is low?
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Ignore pain helps in a lot of ways.... Solve ur 1st problem then look into skills later.... Maybe u can post ur skill build???

QUOTE(althosmk @ Jul 16 2012, 03:05 PM)
I'm in act 3 with 800 - 900 AR and 8.5k armour after buff. My damage and hp is quite low tho... 15k dps and 29k hp. I'm like paper in act 3, got ripped to shreds lol
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Ur HP is too low.... I can clear act 3 with the same stats as urs but with higher HP.... Ur stats is more than enuf to farm everything.... Once u solved ur survivability issue, then look into DPS to farm more efficient...
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post Jul 16 2012, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(LiQuiD @ Jul 16 2012, 03:23 PM)
are u sure? 400 ar with 32k hp? without skipping elites?
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I'm sure he can do it... But HP too low.... I've already written in my post in suggesting that he should bump his HP to at least 40k++....
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post Jul 16 2012, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jul 16 2012, 03:58 PM)
This is bullcrap.

I'm a 2h Mace Barb, with about 6k armor and less than 350AR, 0LOH but about 44k hit points.  I'm killing Belial with 5NV stacks.  It's hard to calculate how much my gear costs as I've upgraded some items a few times (through drops/AH) but it's less than or about a million gold.  I'm on about 40k dps with 20% crit chance and with my latest upgrade +300% crit damage.  Yeah, my gear is still beginner gear.

You can tell i'm not running a gimmick talent build like earthquake/wotb or tornado build through my talent build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barb...;ZXb!bYacaZ .  I don't even run war cry with impunity or superstition, yet I can kill most elites/champions with the invulnerable minions+other annoying abilities combo that causes me the most trouble.  Otherwise, on a Kulle run (clearing desolate sands etc) i will usually skip 1 or 2 champ packs, depending on luck.
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Ur scenario is different than BboyDora... U hav DPS and decent amount of HP to compensate ur low resist.... For his case, he lacks both DPS and HP but he can't be pumping both if he doesn't have the gold to do so... But if I were to choose, I will definitely go for more HP pool so that u can take more hits.... The longer he survives, the more DPS he can do....

QUOTE(sovietmah @ Jul 16 2012, 04:25 PM)
I don't think u need too much high resist for killing belial as long as u becareful with the poison and hit.
but u ok when facing elite (with chain and walking fire)?
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He will still be ok as long as he can kill fast enuf.... But still, it is recommended to pump more resist anyways to maximize his survivability.... He just needs to be extra careful... That's all....

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