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post Jul 16 2012, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jul 16 2012, 04:39 PM)
I was just responding to "minimum 800 AR for act 2..armour 8-9k minimum"

Belial will still 2 shot me.  So i can't just stand still and hit him.  It's getting easier as i upgrade my gear though.

Basically, my play style consists of using that old "don't stand in (fire/poison/crap)" strategy.  Vanilla chain and walking fire is easy as i tend to kite those and aoe them down with seismic slam.  Waller/vortex/fast/invulnerable minions would complicate things.
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Well, it depends on playstyle... Doesn't matter how u do it as long as u can clear it....

And it's true that u don't need a lot of AR nowadays since the dmg from mobs are nerfed.... A lot of ppl still over value certain props nowadays....
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post Jul 16 2012, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jul 16 2012, 04:47 PM)
I bet he's trying to tank his way through the acts.  I'm saying that trying to do that is not economical.  I'm not saying that I'm the best barbarian ever but considering that i can now farm act 2 after spending very little means that i'm either doing something very right or that he's doing something very wrong.
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Nowadays, most tank barbs are moving to DPS more since tank barbs always hit the enrage timer during elite/champ battles.... So, that's why it's not good to make tanking barbs for now.... The best is a DPS barb with decent survivability IMO....

This is the main reason why u can still advance... If that's ur stats on previous inferno, u will be stuck at act 2....

QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 16 2012, 04:50 PM)
Oh.. I thought its stack. I press ignore pain then press leap (iron) impact to the elites. Then being whacked like mini mouse.

My build:
frenzy (sidearm)
War cry(impunity)
Leap ( iron impact)
Revenge (increase chances-can't remember exact name)
Berserker (increase dmg)
Ignore pain (increase duration)

Passive :
Crit chance
Nerves of steel
Berserker rage

Sorry if I put the name wrongly cz can't remember the exact name now.. Hehe.
Not to say can't kill elites, but have to struggle most  mobs like arcane, invulnerable and chain. Can't tank and fight like a boss. Sometimes have to kite a bit for cool down.

Barb shouldn't be running I presume. Haha.
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I recommend changing the following in ur build...

Berserker -> Furious charge with dreadnought for extra healing
Ignore pain (increase duration) -> rune change to ignorance is bliss for extra healing

Passive :
Berserker rage -> Tough as nails

That should help a lot.... Double armor passives will help to deal with dmg reduction.... Furious charge is bcos u need mobility more at the moment to compensate ur lack of tankiness.... Berserker only will be most effective if u hav around 30-35k dmg... Plus, the berserker rage is not helping u at all since when u pop berserker, u lose that buff for few secs since ur fury is not at full.... So, the above changes is when I used as a temporary solution.... Ur main enemy now is u dun hav enuf HP to take so many hits.... that's where the extra healing comes in handy.... With this build, u might be taking a bit longer than usual but u can survive longer thus, u can DPS mobs more....

As for the answer to ur next statement, u won't be able to tank anyways for arcane and chains since they are not blockable.... U need to cycle ur cooldowns more efficient.... And also, if u dun wanna use furious charge, u can use back ur berserker skill but u need to leave the leap for defensive purposes in case u need to escape from tight situations....

Hope it helps... This is just my opinion....


Added on July 16, 2012, 5:06 pm
QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Jul 16 2012, 04:58 PM)
this is doable when soloing. any 30kdps and above for barb, u can start soloing.

but when it comes to 4 player coop, this wont do.
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True to that since u need to survive longer in a co-op game cos the mobs have extra health.... biggrin.gif

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post Jul 17 2012, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(chchan_89 @ Jul 16 2012, 06:06 PM)
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Any advice / suggestion for my barb? im currently doin fine in A1, but when enter a2, i jz torn into pieces by elites...~.~

My skill build

Frenzy (Side Arm)
Furious Charge (Dreadnaught)
Wotb (Insanity)
Warcry (Impunity)
Revenge (Prov)
Ignore Pain (Ignorance is Bliss)
Weapon Mastery
Ruthless
Nerve of Steel

My weapon focus more on life steal which stacks up to around 5% since LoH is freaking exp. might tink of using Bloodthirst for the passive.
Any idea and advice?
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U dun hav enuf def thus survivability is bad.... U r a dual wielder right?? Try getting a shield instead for now since ur current stats cannot support dual wielding.... Also, take out ruthless and swap in tough as nails or u can take out nerves of steel with tough as nails since ur vit is too low and nerves of steel won't give u a lot of def...

Also, ur stats are quite low.... Pump vit to at least 1k 1st... That should give u a noticeable difference.... U can try pumping more DPS as suggested but I would strongly suggest get ur survivability 1st rather than DPS.... If u can survive longer, u can do more DPS....
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post Jul 17 2012, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 17 2012, 09:37 AM)
After try new way by changing some skills. Manage to kill elites with no problem in act 2. Just killed magda.
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Glad that helped u... thumbup.gif
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post Jul 17 2012, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(chchan_89 @ Jul 17 2012, 02:04 PM)
Need to get how many hp and armor for survivability? after upgrading ydae night, i got like 7.4k armor wit 45k hp after buffed wit WC and Enchantress, is it sufficiecint? otherwise i might think of changing my helm to higher Vit with lower crict chance...
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Refer to my post... The answer is there... Overall, ur stats ratio is not really balanced....

Also, if u dun have much gold, use a more defensive eq and skills build rather than offensive one cos DPS requires a lot of gold....
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post Jul 17 2012, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(chchan_89 @ Jul 17 2012, 03:56 PM)
jz wann to ask, if i would to sub out 1 of my offensive skill, which will b subout? the ruthless or weapon mastery? which 1 has d less dmg output?
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QUOTE(Aura @ Jul 17 2012, 09:36 AM)
Try getting a shield instead for now since ur current stats cannot support dual wielding.... Also, take out ruthless and swap in tough as nails or u can take out nerves of steel with tough as nails since ur vit is too low and nerves of steel won't give u a lot of def...
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Already stated on my previous post... Dmg output will not vary very much.... Ruthless will hav a higher dmg output than weapon mastery.... But why i recommend that ruthless is remained there is bcos of the crit hit chance... Although ruthless gives u more DPS output (which is just like 200 dmg difference only), the reason why weapon mastery remains there is bcos of the crit hit chance.... U will proc more crit hit but just slightly lower dmg which in turns, if u r atking fast, then more DPS is inflicted thus, weapon mastery is more effective....

I did state everything very clearly in my previous post unless u din read it... I dun think that my post is hard to understand....
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post Jul 17 2012, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(chchan_89 @ Jul 17 2012, 04:34 PM)
yes i read everything, was just asking how much armor and hp? like 7k armor? 8k 9k 10k? same goes for hp. i know that shield gives block and def, but how much i need so i can do my filtering in AH...
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For this matter, very subjective.... But I can tell u the recommended stats u should aim for.... These values are IMO only.... Others may have other opinions....

Decent stats will be around this values:
HP = 55k
DPS = 35k

U can aim for these 2 goals 1st... Run every run with double armor passives which ur armor can reach till around 9k with decent eq.... As ur STR develops, so does ur defense... So, for this matter, u dun need to worry too much....

As for shield, block rate doesn't matter much... All u wan is to get as much stats increase as possible.... For me, I can settle for around 16%-20%.... The reason why I'm not aiming for the block chance % modifier is bcos that property alone makes the shield very expensive....

Why I say it is subjective is bcos D3's char building system is all about balance.... The actual values doesn't matter quite much as long as u hav the correct balance.... For example, if u hav 1k AR but ur HP is like 30k, u still will get raped anyways.... That's why it's hard to justify how much exact stats u need based on ur playstyle...

Hope this helps...

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post Jul 17 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(chchan_89 @ Jul 17 2012, 04:50 PM)
Thank You! LOL..finally i get the answer i wan. Was trying to ask u few times from my post and get no answers LOL. Thanks btw =D. will try to hit tat HP and armor ....=) CHeers
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I've already stated why I din give exact numbers on my previous post because those stats might not apply to ur current build.... That's something for u to figure out urself since I dunno how u do ur runs anyways....

Also, the information that I shared is actually the answers.... Although it doesn't give out the exact number of values, but that's ur answer to everything... How much u wan ur stats to be is totally up to u as long as u can strike a balance to suit ur playstyle....


Added on July 17, 2012, 5:04 pm
QUOTE(chchan_89 @ Jul 17 2012, 04:50 PM)
editted: cuz i tried with high AR=get raped, then i change my gears to high HP=get rape, then change again to high dps=get rape. Thats why come here to ask for help haha

editted2: another question, just wan to ask about the stats on belts "Increase Crit chance of revenge by 3%", does that mean only my Revenge increase 3% crit(means only revenge has higher critical, while other skills like bash/frenzy still remain the same crit chance), or my overall crit chance increase(which means all the skills)?
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1. U should realize that earlier when u did the 1st one... I told u is about balance....

2. It's stated very clearly that it only works for one skill... Others are not affected by that effect.... Otherwise, that item will say something like this right?? -> "Increase crit chance of all barbarian skills by 3%"

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post Jul 17 2012, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(chchan_89 @ Jul 17 2012, 05:13 PM)
im confuse by what it writes, wad i interpret is that

1)after i used Revenge, my crit chance increase by 3%. Which means my overall crit chance also increase such as Frenzy etc etc

OR

2)when i use revenge, only revenge has crit chance added by 3%
If cant understand, here is an example for 1)

My crit chance now is 45%, after i use Revenge, it become 48%, thus my Frenzy al has 48% crit chance

case 2)

My crit now is 45%, after i use revenge, ONLY Revenge has higher crit , but then my base crit still remains 45% which thus my Frenzy will still be at 45% crit chance.
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Only 1 skill is affected... it only applies to revenge... For the matter of whether the change is before or after revenge is used, I dunno about that since I dun hav any eq which has similar property as urs so I can't test this out.... Maybe someone should share this info....
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post Jul 18 2012, 10:36 AM

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There are certain set of calculations to calculate how much stats u need for certain acts.... Of cos most ppl might have achieve those and now only go for how much they can push their char's eq.... But no matter how high ur stats and how good ur eq are, u will still die regardless if u dunno how to play that char.... Good eq and high stats only minimize deaths....

Also bear in mind, certain builds don't have much AR is bcos they heavily rely on skills for healing and thus, sometimes it can outperform decent AR gear.... It depends on how good is ur maths are actually for this game....

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post Jul 18 2012, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(hengmy @ Jul 18 2012, 02:02 PM)
can suggest which shoulder give better benefit hmm.gif

1st one have high stat, no AR.
2nd have good stat with AR and Physical Resist.
3rd one have higher stat than 2nd but no physical resist.

hard to decide.

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I think it's not a fair comparison cos u r comparing items with different ilvls.... The obvious one that gives u the most benefit in general would be the 2nd or the last one on the right.... But this also must depend on eq build as well.... So, it's subjective....

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post Jul 18 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(hengmy @ Jul 18 2012, 02:29 PM)
for me armor in ilvl61-63 can be compared because they are able to roll out real good stat, unless those godlike item that i can't afford are mostly from ilvl63.
the 3rd one is nice with balance stats, but somehow poison resist is not that useful tho.
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Poison resist is not that useful but still useful in a certain sense.... But the decision is urs anyways.... My only advice I can give is look at ur char stats and c which stats u need and get those stats based on that since every char's eq is not the same anyways....
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post Jul 26 2012, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 26 2012, 03:36 PM)
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So when I killing my Hp drop at the moment, yes revenge get hurt when I press active, but my hp cant cover 50% ,if I killing, my Hp was dropping I can use overpower get full Hp cover?
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Overpower with Crushing Advance rune highly depend on LoH while Revenge highly depends on total HP since it is % based....
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post Jul 27 2012, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 26 2012, 04:05 PM)
Revenge also depends on how many enemy hits you receive.
If you are surrounded by 5-6 monsters, you will have greater HP recovery.
If only one monster hits you, the HP recovery is quite negligible.
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Revenge doesn't rely on how many enemy hits u receive... That's for proc chances... It's how many enemies u hit.... The more enemies u hit, the more healing u receive.... Revenge is also based on % also.... The more HP u hav, the more healing u receive....

Furthermore, barbs will always be surrounded with enemies anyways.... So, Revenge is bread and butter for barbs....

QUOTE(present me @ Jul 27 2012, 03:25 AM)
my barb did u see any LoH...but i still cant tank too long...mostly the fire chain...so did u can gift some opinion any weak from my inspect....
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Ur build is not designed to tank.... U r designed to dish out DPS.... I suggest swapping out overpower for leap with armor increase rune or stun rune... More beneficial to ur current setup.... Also u still need some sort of healing.... I suggest either stick back to Revenge or use Overpower with Revel rune since ur crit chance is quite ok... U can use Sprint with Running like the wind rune to increase more chances of Overpower to activate....

If skill swap doesn't work, i suggest u to pick up a shield to use temporarily...

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post Jul 30 2012, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 29 2012, 06:45 PM)
Now I rebuild this second time I repair just31k only, when I build the first when I post my inspect share v u,I focus dps c.chance n c.dmg only totally cant tank at all n repair 45k expensive... In my situation now second rebuild my gear I can tank very long above 2minute sometime n I feel now want build LoH until 1k n my Ar900 about... for hp high then now I this k no need, if I go every stuff go high my gear, is not repair expensive, is Ah stuff crazy expensive.. I cant get all perfectly... just I wan can pass this diablo only.....
However thks for ur opinion n share v me alot....
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It's obvious that ur stats is not balanced.... U need more HP for now to survive longer.... If u dun wanna pump ur DPS, then u need to pump more HP.... Simple as that.... at 20k DPS, it's quite sufficient to complete the game solo.... But at 45k HP, I think u would be better off to have a little more DPS rather than HP.... Why not try pumping ur DPS to at least 30k and c what's the result... I'm very sure that with 30k DPS min with 45k HP, u will complete the game easily..... If u can't complete still, then look at ur skills and also revise on ur playstyle.... Most likely u r cycling ur cooldowns wrongly...
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post Aug 5 2012, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(AdamNg @ Aug 4 2012, 04:57 PM)
After a while try in inferno, its so difficult. My Barb cannot stand. Need a lot kite, repair cost to high....need a lot of times, dying no need to tell... countless.

Then trying public game for the first time, and I find it is really enjoying. Can help me passing thru the level, can find so much gold, so many items...and the most important is the team helping each other.
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All u need is patience and time to build ur char.... If u can't do a certain act, fall back to the previous act for farming....
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post Aug 5 2012, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(AdamNg @ Aug 5 2012, 07:43 PM)
Already try many many times, but the item drop sucks  vmad.gif
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All of us also farm countless times... There are good and bad times.... Hav u consider building a battle-capable MF set?? That might help... At least it drops more for u...
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post Aug 6 2012, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(-JusJasMiNe- @ Aug 6 2012, 11:43 AM)
anyone mind sharing his item build  ? approximately 50M set will do
struggling what to buy
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50m full set or just upgrade items??? Care to share what u hav now???
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post Aug 8 2012, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Snowcap @ Aug 8 2012, 06:09 PM)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KRAETUR...0/hero/23479725

my character currently ni inferno act 2.

can tank certain type of elite or champion for quite a time.

but if meet with the arcane type GG  doh.gif
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That would be obvious right??? Ur survivability is quite low based on current build... And also not a single barb can tank arcane anyways since it is not blockable.... So, build more resistances against arcane and pump in more HP...
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QUOTE(darkvamp86 @ Aug 10 2012, 12:21 PM)
Alright, thanks for the advice. So I'm assuming I can just stick with my current gears except for getting a decent shield and probably a HoC to increase the block? Another thing is that you're actually emphasizing on group play as your routine farming or this is still viable to be done solo?

As for the build is it the standard cookie cutter build with Revenge and Leap or better yet, can you share your build?

Thanks =)
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He's talking about both group and solo play as routine farming..... It can be used on both.... As for skill build, depending on ur playstyle.... No right or wrong but leap and revenge will be needed anyways since u need some mobility and healing as well....

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