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post May 16 2012, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(simply red @ May 15 2012, 02:57 PM)
There's nothing close to Flora price within the radius of 50km (except Lagoon Perdana). Rits Perdana 1, Plaza Medan Putra are all above 200k.

For people from lower income group looking for a property, I guess that's the only choice.

Investor point of view:
- it is the benchmark for cheapest property in PJ, the next cheapest property is above 200k
- easy to rent out with 6-7% return (basic unit)
- close to major highways, shopping malls
- Bank value RM160,000.00

Just a share of tots!
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nope, bank value can always differ. it's best to seek property vakluer. why ? because sometimes, some banks who wanted to get business they will simply put in the value of the property(added : simply put in the value here refers to get the value from property valuer party which they have connection with, so more easier to put higher price), hence siding the value that the owner want to sell, which is not the real worthiness of that property. Go to property valuer as they have the data of real transactions. the real price is rm130K, rm160K is the price for the next 2 years....trust me. the property valuer also factor a lot of common issue in the prices(like number of foreigners, amenities efficiency, availability of public transport, accessibility to this apartment and so on), so if you do happen to go and buy from certain banks, usually the branch, then the value is not correct or OVER VALUE. Check from a independent party, it will help.

remember, do you check and VISIT THE PLACE !

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post May 16 2012, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(humble_tot @ May 16 2012, 12:46 AM)
To side track, nothing to do with Flora. Just about bank process. Branch can't do valuation, bank don't do valuation too. The Loan Dept will either get Valuer to advise the market value or use similar tranx to get Open Market Value (OMV). However diff valuer quotes diff amount too, some can have diff of 10%-15% depends on your luck  smile.gif
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eerrr, which sentence did i say bank do valuation ? READ PROPERLY!
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post May 16 2012, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(humble_tot @ May 16 2012, 12:52 AM)
ok la I blur, chill bro  sweat.gif
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anyway, when you buy, you must fight for rm130K because this is the CURRENT price, and if you visit the place, you can know why.
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post May 16 2012, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(humble_tot @ May 16 2012, 01:09 AM)
No la I am not buying because its a mixed dev area where they have Low Cost, Not So Low Cost, & Mid Cost Apartment.
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actually, both the low cost & middle cost development are in same area. it's not logic at all to even consider selling rm160K when the low cost beside it is selling like less than rm50K. and since both are in the same compound, so obviously there will be theft in the low cost apt, and obviously the thieves will also "prefer" to go to steal in middle cost apt. so, this leads to insecurity in the middle apt as well. Besides, the low cost rental is so affordable that nigerians, banglas, indons will definitely rent there. this again will change the population of flora damansara.

and to make it worst, water cuts & electricity cuts are still on-going. im really not sure if the electricity cut is going to affect the lift. and the people there have a habit. anything that is outside of their window is a place for them to throw rubbish. Im dead serious. that's why you notice ALL of the compound is DIRTY.

true there are other developments going on, but they are more further away, and they are not yet even finalize of building. You must be joking to hike up price based on something that is even not sure yet. and yes, that's what some of the "dont know how to look at mirror" residents AKA investors are doing. plus all those things above....not to mention the place is not well connected with public transport. the swimming pool is drying, the mini taman all the walls are "black" in colour....

and some of the people dare to even ask you for rm160K. I mean I know properties prices are rising, but sometimes I wish some people have the brain to even look at their own property before asking price. It sounds not nice to hear, but do you think it is nice for purchasers ?

sorry humble, this reply is intended for all not you thumbup.gif
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post May 16 2012, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ May 16 2012, 04:57 PM)
For the last 2-3 years price memang at RM100K-130K. You want cut owner at there meh.  shakehead.gif

wah dont say like that. but it is true one. according to the property valuer, this property has a very slow price hike, and this is due to the reasons which I think many member already state. last time, 3 years back it was less than rm100K, then last year is rm120K loh....or more or less lah.

I'm convince most owners to sell at RM150K. Don't spoil market at there.

not spoil the market lah alvin, sometimes you sell you also need to see what you selling. i personally have been to the unit, so I really know what Im talking about. alvin, dunno how to say to you but people who buy sure will do survey one, you talk to those who oppose you as they simply say but actually is not loh. anyhow, I already decided not to buy here....found a better area.


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Added on May 16, 2012, 11:05 pm
QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ May 16 2012, 10:48 PM)
Most of the comments are personally attacking me.

- hahaha, nolah. they attack your price, not you.... laugh.gif

Without the basic facts to prove that you're right.

- Alvin, kindly contact property valuer, then only you will get some clue  smile.gif to be polite, actually is the property owners that decided to hike the price
  themselves.

I'm not here to discuss personal stuffs regards my skins, greed and ignorance with you.

People have their own perception.

You can't see the potential in it, walk away. Want people to know the place is hell. Go ahead.

Let them judges.

smile.gif i think many have, that's why many walk away quietly.

If you don't believe the last transacted price, i dare you to go the management there and ask.

- dont need management, property valuer sudah boleh lah  icon_idea.gif any blocks also ada the data.

You think i'm making speculation on property price. I'm not a banker nor i own a bank also not a valuer.

- which is why im here to tell you lahhhhh

My price on what last price is selling. Go ahead, call your banker or valuer. Ask them the last transacted price.

the answer is rm130K. FULL STOP.

For 850sf of course. If you ask 650sf sure got no value la.
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post May 16 2012, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ May 16 2012, 11:16 PM)
Why nobody believe me can value at RM160K.  doh.gif

Any agents here doing Flora can clarify ?
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i think the max is rm150K, if you got do renovations(that is expensive one yah), other than that rm160K is impossible to achieve. rm160K is considered very expensive already, this is leasehold somemore...how can you simply hike ? it's square feet is not more than 1000 square feet.

i repeat again, of course if you can find bank who can approve loan at rm160K, can. these banks want business, sure they will approve one. but rm160K is not the real value...at least for majority valuers. anyway when you sell at rm130K, you also untung a lot already man.
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post May 17 2012, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(jason_chee @ May 17 2012, 02:37 PM)
great to hear your story. but in my opinion, Location, Location, Location is meant for affordable ppl. in other words, rich ppl. for poorer ppl, it's about price, price, price. the lower the better. smile.gif anyway, Donald Trump isn't always right. smile.gif i don't mind to invest into rural area for a cheaper price. smile.gif just my 2 cents.

agree with you. but these days, there are some people also want to make rural area also not affordable wink.gif


Added on May 17, 2012, 2:40 pmlilac, in my opinion, go for something you're comfortable. smile.gif as long as u like FD, then go ahead and buy it. In forum, you can only get advice, advantages and disadvantages of FD. but the person who make decision, still is from you, yourself. last time when i bought a condo, lots of my relatives condemned me for overprice purchase. but what happen is, the price went up and after 5 years, i sold it off and use the gained money as downpayment for my landed property. smile.gif so, in my opinion, if you can afford it and u are comfort with FD, buy it. if appreciate a lot, then maybe you can sell it to get a better place. if depreciate, then you can stay there. smile.gif
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true, the decision is still from that person. your relatives might be wrong, but you are lucky to get a buyer maybe ? hehehe.

about the depreciate & appreciate matter, it is a very subjective area. of course in your situation you are lucky.
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post May 17 2012, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(jason_chee @ May 17 2012, 03:25 PM)
lucky? hmm... i'm not sure. i did a survey on the prop and confident it will go up as i believe the trend for prop is appreciation. my only question is, a lot or little  bit appreciation. but of course, not something like FD. smile.gif yup, my relative is wrong. not once, but twice. smile.gif

in my opinion, even prop in small town also can gain appreciation.
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can gain appreciation, i didnt say no. But, not as horrendously quick as what some party might want it to be...seriously.
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post May 17 2012, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(jason_chee @ May 17 2012, 03:48 PM)
true. depend on individual target for the amount to get back.
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not realistic...this one is really common sense.
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post May 17 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(jason_chee @ May 17 2012, 04:00 PM)
true, agreed with you. 10 years ago, DP is nothing. most of the prop purchaser will have to look at own pocket first before choosing location. if i'm going to buy 500K condo in Shah Alam, i would rather choose MK Condo. that's on Location. so, price goes first and location go secondary for ppl with limited budget. of course, you could say location first and price second, it's very subjective matter. location nearby matured township will definitely attract potential to grow. but price is priority cos everyone will have budget. i'm not saying you're wrong. just we have different opinion.
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correct ! where got people buy property dont look at price...that is just ridicilous.


Added on May 17, 2012, 4:25 pm
QUOTE(feezar25 @ May 17 2012, 04:09 PM)
hehehe...yes2..correct.. biggrin.gif ..a bit subjective..to find it is like an art..but with little bit of luck too...hahaha..dont worry so much lerr..Apart from Bkt beruntung, I never heard anyone sold a house with a loss..atleast breakeven if the location is wrong..
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i thought recently mont kiara property depreciate ????? actualy a lot of places also depreciate.

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QUOTE(jason_chee @ May 17 2012, 04:31 PM)
yea... market started to slowdown due to the introduction of nett income for loan. loan are harder to get approve. at the same time, over valuation. i think it's norm cos it's the G objectives to slow down the prop market in klang valley. not sure about the effect towards next year. but it seems like those fresh grad who intend to buy prop will have tough time to secure loan.
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actually even without this loan tightening, fresh grad is as usual hard to even buy the properties...let's be very honest. I mean in this property talk itself also people are asking for properties below rm300K and that is they already work for a few years...what more fresh graduate. i have no intentions to make those house owners mad, but price depreciation is inevitable, however, the rate of depreciation is really insane. and that is the very root of all this property owning problem.

Maybe Malaysia should be doing like what China is doing...puttting a mandatory for all the citizens to only own 3 properties, the rest you have to sell it. But if this happen, a lot of millkionares in the making will become bancrupt just like what happen in China icon_idea.gif
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post May 17 2012, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(jason_chee @ May 17 2012, 05:01 PM)
haha..  that's why those chinaman is investing in our country.
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up to 30% only allowed. but they for sure wont invest in Flora Damansara. Security definitely cant replace Location, no matter how much anyone here wants to debate about it. The lo cost house, virtually anyone can stay in it...it is too affordable to "foreigners". and some foreigners are really retarded people, im sorry but it's true.
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post May 18 2012, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ May 18 2012, 12:16 AM)
Thanks for pointing out loan can give RM160K.

Thank you !! thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif


Added on May 18, 2012, 12:18 am

I looked into this matter myself.

People will tend to find place that area cheap. hmm.gif
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i think you miss the point. doesnt mean give out loan means the property value is rm160K. The loan here i think includes other misc expenses. as he said, he bought at rm125K. aiyah, many people here already said, but you still dont get it....

i think this really confirms what the other guys says that the property is value at rm130K for current value....

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post May 18 2012, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(simply red @ May 18 2012, 11:14 AM)
Are u sure u can get this price in Pelangi and Palm Spring? Last few years yes u can but not now!
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hope you know what you are talking ya....there really are a lot of africans in the condos or apartment there....this wil pull the price down.
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post May 18 2012, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(simply red @ May 18 2012, 12:09 PM)
R u sure prices r going down? Palm Spring r asking for Rm350++ psf, Pelangi Dsara asking ard RM380-400 psf for now. Africans r now everywhere not only here! even Mont Kiara there r Africans. Africans or no africans is not the issue, money or no money is! If my budget is only good enough for these places, I don't hv much choices, do I..

The lower income group make up of the biggest quadrant. What can u buy for property below RM200k in PJ? Try searching for property below RM200k in PJ and c what can u get!

Demand and supply!!! 

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eerrrr, unless you stay there, then you will know. it has a lot of africans, banglas & other foreigners like vietnams & pakistani...and of course the environment. i think these things it's hard to put in words unless you go there and observe.


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post May 18 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(yankicip @ May 18 2012, 02:14 PM)
I just done my trip to Flora.

I think FLora Damansara cater for different group of people. - agreed.
Those that wanted a  first home belong them around PJ but within their budget. - within the budget is true, but sometimes the price also must also be fair to the situation/condition of the area, right ?

Flora Damansara should able to rent out easily. Workers that work in construction areas / cleaner that work around office building or shopping more are the resident. These group of people have no choice but Flora if don't want to travel too far.
- agree. but bear in mind, if you are saying able to rent to those group of people, then after those projects are completed, it must be quite hard to get renters ? also, such group of people will definitely bring down the status of the property. and having the "other upcoming" projects nearby really wont help.

Investor buy those medium , if you aim for capital gain. In my opinion, a bit hard. Due to the mix of low cost type flat and those "workers" resident.
- are you saying it is very hard for capital appreciation for the medium cost ones ?

People are seeking status now especially youngster / fresh graduate which is the group of people push up property price will not like to be seem living in flora.

- unfortunately this group will be the most number. however, for this group, pricing will be an issue...dont think anyone is interested to pay those agents' pricing for such environment...honestly speaking.

No wonder why in i property so many seller wanted to sell flora.

- why ah ?
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post May 29 2012, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(jason_chee @ May 29 2012, 12:30 PM)
i like this statement: "In investment its not how much u gonna make, its how much risk u r exposed to!".
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well done, since flora damansara is risky, why not go and buy a few units there ? im sure you will gain the reward in 20 years time.
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post May 29 2012, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(jason_chee @ May 29 2012, 12:57 PM)
i believe different ppl has different target. for small player, maybe flora is good enough for them to start the investment.
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aiks, just now say flora damansara good, now divide pulak to big investor and small investor biggrin.gif
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post May 30 2012, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(jason_chee @ May 30 2012, 01:28 PM)
since when i saw D. Flora is good? everyone has their own liking. if u read thru, i suggested other place like Plaza Medan Putra. i like the Statement of "In investment its not how much u gonna make, its how much risk u r exposed to!" doesn't mean i like D.Flora. smile.gif

like i said, small player has their own market. it's always like that. if u have the money, i would believe you'll invest in landed prop and gained more from there.

my advice, READ what ppl mean and not simply accuse or point to conclusion. Thanks man.
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ooooooo, that's what im doing lah...you think im a mind read kah ? doh.gif
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QUOTE(ahbaoahbao @ Jul 2 2012, 10:28 AM)
Please help to raise out water supply issue in the next AGM. Recently there are water supply disruptions -- 2-3 times per week(block H). this is not a rumour. It is true. It happened frequently (recently).
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then i dont understand how can FD 850 square feet be sold at rm180K. I think rm130K is more likely...

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