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Investment My first home property investment: Flora Damansara, Advise, Feedback, & Comments?

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jason_chee
post May 15 2012, 02:07 PM

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well done lilac. good to know u went to that place, view the unit and get to know the details of the area and prop. kudos to u. as many taiko here will say. few issue with Flora Damansara which i dun wan to repeat it from other taiko point of view.

since u like something nearby, why not consider some other condo nearby. maybe Ritz Perdana 1 or maybe a bit further, Plaza Medan Putra which is located in Manjalara. no doubt u need to pay RM 1.6 toll but the toll is not there forever. you might need to do more research and not limit to 1 particular area. sometimes you'll find something better.

anyway, keep up the good work. smile.gif
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post May 17 2012, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(feezar25 @ May 17 2012, 05:49 AM)
Nice write up.Inspiring..I owned a property in DP too..stayed there for a year and rent it out till now. It has been a cash cow ever since.1st tenant balik modal only (year 2005-2006). Now my 2nd tenant.Positive cash flow.Renewed tenancy with the same tenant in 2009 (rental increase) with no problem.Tenant are happy. Excited to see what Empire and DASH highway would bring to this area.I constantly got agent rang me up (different agent) atleast once a month asking bout my unit.As of now Im still holding it..

Same like u, I bought my property when my salary is 3K back in 2003.Relieved and happy that I decide to purchase that time and just took the plunge..All the best in your quest.As Donald Trump said, 3 important things when buying a prop..Location,Location,Location...
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great to hear your story. but in my opinion, Location, Location, Location is meant for affordable ppl. in other words, rich ppl. for poorer ppl, it's about price, price, price. the lower the better. smile.gif anyway, Donald Trump isn't always right. smile.gif i don't mind to invest into rural area for a cheaper price. smile.gif just my 2 cents.


Added on May 17, 2012, 2:40 pmlilac, in my opinion, go for something you're comfortable. smile.gif as long as u like FD, then go ahead and buy it. In forum, you can only get advice, advantages and disadvantages of FD. but the person who make decision, still is from you, yourself. last time when i bought a condo, lots of my relatives condemned me for overprice purchase. but what happen is, the price went up and after 5 years, i sold it off and use the gained money as downpayment for my landed property. smile.gif so, in my opinion, if you can afford it and u are comfort with FD, buy it. if appreciate a lot, then maybe you can sell it to get a better place. if depreciate, then you can stay there. smile.gif

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post May 17 2012, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(mrchipsley @ May 17 2012, 02:58 PM)
true, the decision is still from that person. your relatives might be wrong, but you are lucky to get a buyer maybe ? hehehe.

about the depreciate & appreciate matter, it is a very subjective area. of course in your situation you are lucky.
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lucky? hmm... i'm not sure. i did a survey on the prop and confident it will go up as i believe the trend for prop is appreciation. my only question is, a lot or little bit appreciation. but of course, not something like FD. smile.gif yup, my relative is wrong. not once, but twice. smile.gif

in my opinion, even prop in small town also can gain appreciation.
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post May 17 2012, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(mrchipsley @ May 17 2012, 03:43 PM)
can gain appreciation, i didnt say no. But, not as horrendously quick as what some party might want it to be...seriously.
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true. depend on individual target for the amount to get back.
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post May 17 2012, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(feezar25 @ May 17 2012, 03:44 PM)
Location,Location,Location does not meant for affordable people only. Thats why there a need to do some study before u make up your mind..same like other investment. Why buy cheap share if u know it cannot grow..

When I bought my prop at DP, that place was nothing..only big hutan (orang asli just move out), the curve/cineleasure/commercial all not there yet..access mainly from LDP (small turn from the main road). No persiaran surian and surian tunnel. Connecting to Kota Damansara by a small road. basically nothing. if u come visit this place 10 years ago, U know what Im talking about. I did a research, ask around, only then I know I will be neighboring mutiara Damansara which will be develop by Boutead group. When to their office to see the master plan, and see that all commercial (big shopping mall/biggest Cinema/premium showroom etc)..Although this is only on paper, they confirm me its a 'sure' thing..I see the bright future. That time they used to call it PJ Golden area (until now actually). After all BU is just nearby and TTDI was already known that time. I know DP can take advantage of this.To be honest KD has more potential (upside appreciation) but since it was to deep inside from main access road (LDP), I opt for DP. Congrats who bought KD that time.. rclxms.gif 

With merely RM800 extra money at that time for mortgage, I asked my GF  (now HM with 2 kids smile.gif ) to join loan. We manage to get the prop.. paying RM1200 to the bank..Refinance the prop in 2007 to get extra money to buy my 2nd prop. Now paying bank 1350 and rent my unit at RM1800.

So again I reiterate that Location,Location,Location is not for wealthy people. "Matured Location" is for wealthy people. The trick is to find 'potential location'.

Do not get too attach with emotion when buying props..Although if for own stay you might consider this too, a little bit (nice designed/good layout/beautiful landskap etc).

Same thing with share. Buy company before anybody heard about it...If you have AAPL share 15 years ago, you'll be smiling to the bank by now thumbup.gif
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true, agreed with you. 10 years ago, DP is nothing. most of the prop purchaser will have to look at own pocket first before choosing location. if i'm going to buy 500K condo in Shah Alam, i would rather choose MK Condo. that's on Location. so, price goes first and location go secondary for ppl with limited budget. of course, you could say location first and price second, it's very subjective matter. location nearby matured township will definitely attract potential to grow. but price is priority cos everyone will have budget. i'm not saying you're wrong. just we have different opinion.
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post May 17 2012, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(feezar25 @ May 17 2012, 04:09 PM)
hehehe...yes2..correct.. biggrin.gif ..a bit subjective..to find it is like an art..but with little bit of luck too...hahaha..dont worry so much lerr..Apart from Bkt beruntung, I never heard anyone sold a house with a loss..atleast breakeven if the location is wrong..
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if not my mistake, Bandar Tasik Puteri. maybe Sri Muda as well cos 1 of my relatives bought single-storey house in Sri Muda last time. price depreciate according to him.

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post May 17 2012, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(mrchipsley @ May 17 2012, 04:24 PM)

Added on May 17, 2012, 4:25 pm

i thought recently mont kiara property depreciate ????? actualy a lot of places also depreciate.
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yea... market started to slowdown due to the introduction of nett income for loan. loan are harder to get approve. at the same time, over valuation. i think it's norm cos it's the G objectives to slow down the prop market in klang valley. not sure about the effect towards next year. but it seems like those fresh grad who intend to buy prop will have tough time to secure loan.
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post May 17 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(mrchipsley @ May 17 2012, 04:53 PM)
actually even without this loan tightening, fresh grad is as usual hard to even buy the properties...let's be very honest. I mean in this property talk itself also people are asking for properties below rm300K and that is they already work for a few years...what more fresh graduate. i have no intentions to make those house owners mad, but price depreciation is inevitable, however, the rate of depreciation is really insane. and that is the very root of all this property owning problem.

Maybe Malaysia should be doing like what China is doing...puttting a mandatory for all the citizens to only own 3 properties, the rest you have to sell it. But if this happen, a lot of millkionares in the making will become bancrupt just like what happen in China  icon_idea.gif
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haha.. that's why those chinaman is investing in our country.
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post May 17 2012, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(mrchipsley @ May 17 2012, 05:27 PM)
up to 30% only allowed. but they for sure wont invest in Flora Damansara. Security definitely cant replace Location, no matter how much anyone here wants to debate about it. The lo cost house, virtually anyone can stay in it...it is too affordable to "foreigners". and some foreigners are really retarded people, im sorry but it's true.
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there is ruling that the foreigner can only own a prop more than 500K. i don't think the foreigner bought FD.


Added on May 17, 2012, 6:12 pm
QUOTE(feezar25 @ May 17 2012, 05:41 PM)
Yeahhh...But I dont think it goes down until the cost/purchase price (developer's price)..if buy sub sale maybe affect little bit smile.gif biggrin.gif
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yes man. you're right. price will go down a bit, but not until the extent of cost/launching price. once down, it will take some time to pick up again.

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post May 29 2012, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(simply red @ May 18 2012, 12:23 PM)
U miss out on the upper portion. I got the unit for free + RM13k cash!

every mth nett cash out flow (inclusive of maintenance) = Rm50.00

RM13,500 / RM50 = 270mths = 22.5 yrs (provided rental remain constant)
Even if tmr the market crash, it doesn't affect me! Calculated risk
In investment its not how much u gonna make, its how much risk u r exposed to! 
Just a share of tots!


Added on May 18, 2012, 12:32 pm
Investor Point of view, there r demand for rental.

Buying for own stay, what other choices do I hv? Wait further?
Just my tots!
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i like this statement: "In investment its not how much u gonna make, its how much risk u r exposed to!".
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post May 29 2012, 12:57 PM

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i believe different ppl has different target. for small player, maybe flora is good enough for them to start the investment.
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post May 30 2012, 01:28 PM

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since when i saw D. Flora is good? everyone has their own liking. if u read thru, i suggested other place like Plaza Medan Putra. i like the Statement of "In investment its not how much u gonna make, its how much risk u r exposed to!" doesn't mean i like D.Flora. smile.gif

like i said, small player has their own market. it's always like that. if u have the money, i would believe you'll invest in landed prop and gained more from there.

my advice, READ what ppl mean and not simply accuse or point to conclusion. Thanks man.

 

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