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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 23 2012, 12:24 AM

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downing gets bashed because he is central midfielder with no pace playing on the wing...all he does is receive a pass and try to pass it away as soon as possibly

sorry but i cant at all associate our style to Barca's tiki-taka...Arsenal would be a more suitable example
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post May 23 2012, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(seizer @ May 23 2012, 12:37 AM)
lucas with 887 passes??! amazing! He was out almost half of the season

and downing doesnt impress me with his 1k passes and 85% accuracy. His passing is either backward or sideways as he preferred to play safely. There is a stat where he attempted less than 10 dribbles.
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its actually 687 but yes very impressive for half a season...he would have been our player of the season again if not for that injury...that is also why our form in the 2nd half of the season dipped so badly.

and yes downing only passes side and backwards because he can bring the ball past even one defender


Added on May 23, 2012, 1:35 amLiverpool owners, Fenway Sports Group, have been challenged to publicly explain their strategy for the club by Spirit of Shankly, a leading fans group.

""It may be that yourselves and the board of Liverpool Football Club have a vision you are working towards," said SOS's letter. "

"It may be that you have implemented a strategy to deliver that vision and decisions are being made to work towards this.

"However, from the outside where supporters find themselves once again, it looks like a football club in disarray.

"Confusion and chaos seems to reign and no one is coming out of this with much credit, particularly the football club's image and brand.

"We need clear and pro-active communication, a confident message about the club's plans that breeds confidence amongst supporters that we are moving in the right direction.

"Instead, we have silence and a lack of information or understanding on decisions being made."

The letter makes reference to the worst days of Hicks and Gillett's tenure when fans felt they had no voice as decisions were taken by American owners who had no representative based at the club on a local level.

"As supporters we have seen all too clearly what a lack of communication from absentee owners leads to," it added.

"Ultimately supporters remain in the dark once again about the plans for this football club moving forward.

"We find ourselves experiencing deja vu, where boardroom decisions lead to more questions than they answer.

"We ask that you speak with supporters - engage with a true representative cross section of supporters and work with supporters to provide solutions to our current problems."

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post May 23 2012, 11:01 AM

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Van Gaal has an infamous reputation of often clashing with the top level management, and with him being a manager himself its hard to not imagine him clashing with the manager's work. A power struggle will ensue where if Van Gaal emerges victorious we would then be seeing him down on the sidelines or him leaving his directors post. Inconsistency...

Capello might be a decent candidate though unlike Sven, his CV at club level is up there with Fergie and Mourinho. Given that he will be backed up by the owners, he might stay with us till he decides to retire because looking at his record most of the time when he leaves a job is when he is forced out of the club or the management undermining his position.


Added on May 23, 2012, 11:04 am
QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 23 2012, 10:57 AM)
No, they haven't approach Big sam yet...or Gus Poyet.  laugh.gif
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post May 23 2012, 12:32 PM

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Unlike at Chelsea, we have already begun phasing out some of our aging players, Maxi Carra Kuyt not being played as much, Gerrard and Bellamy struggling with fitness...

Also unlike Chelsea, their players have won so much and gotten so used to Mourinho's style they are unwilling to change whereas we haven't been as successful thus lesser ego and be more willing to change to a style that can benefit us in the future.
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post May 23 2012, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 23 2012, 01:13 PM)
...After all for this system to work, the manager must be able to work with the DOF and not the other way round. This is why I'm not expecting any announcement of the manager soon, not before we've replaced Comolli. This is also why we should give up any hope that Rafa will return to the club.
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True that, the manager must be able to co-exist with the DoF and that is why some younger names like AVB and Martinez are emerging as favourites instead of the likes of Rafa or Capello. These big name experienced managers prefer total control over footballing matters.

Benítez fell out with Jesús García Pitarch, the club's director of football, over control of new signings and the club's failure to reinforce the squad with the players he wanted. He famously said "I was hoping for a sofa [a defender] and they've brought me a lamp [Fabián Canobbio]" in reference to the positions he wanted to be strengthened.

And we all know why Capello left the England post, the FA undermining his position over the John Terry captaincy case.
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post May 23 2012, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ May 23 2012, 03:05 PM)
i dont see any manager young or old would like to tolerate being told whom to sign and whom to play, aint it?
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The young ones would be more agreeable than the old ones though. Whose ego do you think is bigger?
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post May 23 2012, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 23 2012, 06:56 PM)
To all liverpool fans who want to move forward.This is worth a look.


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Lol definitely agree with that last comment, David Moyes no doubt one of the league's best for the money available to him.
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post May 23 2012, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ May 23 2012, 10:12 PM)
Yeah most certainly. But he may also imply that without proper football structure i.e. football director etc, he just doesn't find Liverpool a feasible project. So maybe we have to work hard in getting a DOF first, which makes sense if we're still looking at appointing one. You don't build a roof before you build the foundation.
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Or do it both at the same time? They need to find a DoF who is willing to work with the manager and vice versa. No point appointing a DoF but their favoured manager end up rejecting their offer because he is unwilling to work with that DoF.
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post May 24 2012, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 24 2012, 11:30 AM)
To be honest I think this whole "English players are crap" stigma is going beyond reason. Whether we made the wrong decision to buy Caroll and Henderson remains to be seen I feel. Henderson has been crap I must admit but he's just on the verge of turning 22. Carroll is a year older and has shown promise in the latter stages of the season. Downing is a mystery. It's more a case of buying the wrong English players but how much would the likes of Lennon, Walcott, Milner, A.Johnson have cost? Consider also the wages they are on. Yes we did splurge on Carroll but does he earn more than any of the four names I mentioned? I really don't know but we do have a wage cap of sorts now. From what I've read, it rose from $20,000 to $70,000 when he joined from Newcastle. Aaron Lennon reputedly earns around $72,500. James Milner is said to earn in excess of $100,000 a week, same as Adam Johnson. So the fault may be in buying English in view of the HG rule, but in terms of which English players to buy, we weren't spoilt for choice.

Having said all that, I refer back I've been saying much earlier about building a system of play rather than concentrating on which big name to buy, whatever the nationality. Given a salary cap, finding good international talent isn't easy either considering that foreign players have the option of staying in their own league and although they earn less, they pay less taxes. Why are salaries so high in England? Because taxes are around %50. How much would we need to play a top player like Mata in comparison to Downing? Suarez was a gamble that paid off. He wasn't on the A list of players mentioned but he's turned out to be a gem. However for every gem, there is a lump of coal. Look at all the failed foreign players we've signed over the years. Traore, Cheyrou, Biscan, Camara, Nunez, Josemi, Krompkamp, Song, Diao, Diouf, Baros, Cisse, Morientes, the list is longer than failed English players.

Unfortunately, the new gaffer, just like Kenny, won't be afforded the time to implement such a system. He won't have time to try and test it. It will either work or it won't. Fergie uses English and British players, he always has been. Gary Neville, Wes Brown, David Beckham, Darren Fletcher, John O'Shea, Wayne Rooney, Danny Welbeck, Johnny Evans, Phil Jones, Ryan Giggs, Rio Ferdinand just to name a few. Half of these blokes would look average in our side but because he's been given the time to develop a method of play, the team looks good despite losing big names. This is what I would like for us to strive and emulate hence my constant call for patience. Unfortunately however, time isn't something we have anymore.
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Well the names you mentioned costs no where near what we paid for Carroll, Downing and Henderson. Downing should be a player in his prime, no excuses for underperforming they way he did. Whilst I'm ready to give both Carroll and Henderson time to prove themselves like Lucas did, they are reportedly on a weekly wage of 70-80k and 60-70k respectively. Young and talented yes but to pay that sort of transfer fee and wages for such young players is madness and when FSG tookover they said they were looking into reducing our wage bill?! Fast forward a couple years when it is time to extend their contract assuming they are not sold, they will be asking for huge contracts of over 100k per week.
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post May 24 2012, 07:31 PM

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All thanks to Rafa. Just glad Segura brought in by Rafa didn't leave when Rafa was sacked.
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post May 25 2012, 01:31 AM

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Wait what?! Rafa's dispute with Valencia was because he didn't get the signings he wanted and he resigned...what fight?

Rafa's time at Inter was a nightmare because for whatever reason Moratti decided to significantly reduce expenditure all of a sudden for the FFP rule giving Rafa no chance to strengthen a squad that is clearly tired and weaken since Jose's time.

Shouldn't he be regarded a hero of Liverpool instead for bringing the fight to H&G?
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post May 25 2012, 03:35 PM

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False hope but hope FSG will go for him and hope Pep relishes the challenge of waking a sleeping giant instead of going for the $ugar daddy at Chel$sea.
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post May 25 2012, 04:59 PM

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Let's not forget Dave Whelan said Martinez prefers total control over footballing matters while Pep worked under a DoF at Barca. If it is the Barca structure we are trying to model after wouldn't it make more sense to have Pep in charge ASSUMING he is interested.

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post May 25 2012, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ May 25 2012, 06:20 PM)
good points..forgot about that..
i think liverpool already got one before this..KD..great respect for him.. notworthy.gif too bad he cant continue..
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Glenn Hoddle started the first Chelsea Revolution..then Jose Mourinho started the second Chelsea Revolution..looking forward for the next big Revolution...

Nice quote there...fair to say Rafa started our first...looking for our second just hope its the right person
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post May 25 2012, 10:57 PM

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Pep worked under a DoF at Barcelona...what made you think he wants total control?
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post May 25 2012, 11:58 PM

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Don't think you can compare Shankly, Paisley and Fagan to current managers as it is now a very different era.
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post May 26 2012, 11:01 AM

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@Rotuham, I don't get it though, you called for Kenny to be sacked and then called for support of Martinez and yet you claim your views are consistent? Does it mean that March next year if Martinez isn't doing well like Kenny did you will be calling for his head again? Contradicting no? So much for YNWA...

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QUOTE(digilife @ May 26 2012, 06:04 PM)
another Spainard, and it will make the previous Spainard butthurt more

YES, i support Martinez  as for now........... I hate to see the fat Spainard coming back  mad.gif
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If not for that fat waiter we won't be talking about the Great Istanbul night instead our last big European night would be that UEFA Cup win against Alaves.

If not for that fat waiter we won't be boasting about the 5 European Cups against the likes of MU, Arsenal and Chelsea as we have no Premier League trophy to boast about especially when MU finally overtook us with 19 titles not to mention that our last league title was over 20 years ago.

If not for that fat waiter we wouldn't have experienced those great European nights when we were the underdogs against the likes of Chelsea, Barcelona, Juventus, AC Milan, Real Madrid amongst many others.

If not for that fat waiter we wouldn't have a player by the name Fernando who strikes fear into every of our opponent's heart.

If not for that fat waiter we wouldn't have had one of the meanest defense in the league with Reina winning several golden gloves. You have seen how vulnerable Reina is in recent times, just proves those Golden Gloves weren't won by him alone but the whole team playing together as a unit.

If not for that fat waiter who implemented a structure in youth development, our Academy would still be in a mess.

If not for that fat waiter, we wouldn't have had a serious title challenge in many years.

Be grateful he was our manager.

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post May 26 2012, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(digilife @ May 26 2012, 07:14 PM)
Yes, we last won the CL cup under Rafa but those were not his men, it was from the previous Manager core players and the win was actually mastered by non other than StevieG........

Yes, i knoe a lot of you guys still like him, i too liked him in the beginning, but fell out after he sold Alonso.

Pls dun bring back the "why Rafa have to sell Alonso story" Rafa also brought a lot of players that did not make the mark, if not he would not have been sacked. Maybe i shall say that Torres and Lucas was his best buy after Alonso.
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Mascherano? Agger? Skrtel (our player of the season)? Reina?

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