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cybermaster98
post May 8 2012, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(khoodennis @ May 7 2012, 02:53 PM)
To all the pros out there I need an advice on a mid range car. Budget is around RM150k +-
The mentioned mid range is something like in the class of Honda Civic, Toyota AltisĀ  & my prefered choice is Volkswagen Jetta. Actually I prefers Passat(B7) year 2011 that offers 10% discount but it's sold out. The 2012 models don't offers any discount. Jetta still a considerable choice as it's 2011 made cars offers 10%.

ANY SALESMAN THAT'S READING THIS & GOT A 2011 PASSAT(B7) PLS PM. I'LL FLY OVER TO CLOSE THE DEAL.(WEST MALAYSIA ONLY)

Jetta:
The part that concerns me are the maintenance of the car. If fuel(monthly) & road tax(annually) is more is just +- RM100.00 then it's not much to compare about. It's just a small bite that won't be feel much.

The part that got me into thinking about it is the servicing part. Lubricant, gear oil & things that's not much talked about might come out with a OUCH!!! when paying the bill. Jetta offers 5 years warranty & surely it gotto goes to their official workshop. Also it's a twincharged car. I've never owned something like that. Servicing it would cost more?

That car is only 1.4CC. Underpower..? From what I've came to known it's technology...
1.4CC = 2.4CC of a non twin charged car. That's what the salesman told me.
Personally the talks of a salesman is called sales talk, the kind the just wants U to buy something from em.

Also I don't sees much of Jetta on the road. Any reason for it? Price is an issue for some? Yea... It's something that's in between & not many would goes for it. Mostly would just goes for Camry & Accord within that price range. Worth to pay the extras for the new technology.

As for me I'm looking at Volkswagen is offering AFFORDABLE TECHNOLOGY. Correct me if 'm wrong, there's not much of twincharge cars at these price range.

Jetta owners pls advice on this...

Civic & Altis:
It's just another normal car. From the starts of my 1st car till now there's nothing too special about it. Just that it's interior that might be better abit...

Final:
The feels of it when speeding... Weight & power gotto be balance. Weight is not what we sees on the paper only. When moving there's downforce, aerodynamics & for some it would be called stability.
At the highway which of these 3 would be better?
At RM 143,888 (about RM17K cheaper than a Jetta), the Kia Optima K5 would be a better choice with better specs, better design and much bigger interior not to mention higher safety standards. Plus its a D segment car and it too comes with a 5 year unlimited mileage manufacturers warranty.

The Jetta has higher torque due to the twin turbo and a more advanced gearbox. But besides that, the Optima wins hands down. Quality & build quality has improved alot and after sales is also improving from what ive seen.

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post May 8 2012, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ May 8 2012, 06:17 AM)
In terms of safety the Jetta should be able to beat them all, unless the Japs are JDM.
Did u know that the Jetta didn't fare too well in the American National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) safety analisis for 2012?

It only got an overall 4 Star rating with frontal and rollover impact being its biggest flaws with 4 star ratings. The Optima K5 on the other hand received 5 star ratings in all 3 frontal, side and rollover impact analysis. Even the mighty BMW 5 Series only got a 4 star rating for frontal impact with the rest being 5 star. The 2012 Honda Civic got an overall 5 Star rating which is higher than the Jetta.


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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ May 8 2012, 08:20 AM)
1.4cc is very small..considering the kancil is 660cc shocking.gif
Ure obviously from the older generation of ppl who associate engine capacity with power. The Jetta's 1.4TSI is a twin turbo engine with 158Hp and 240Nm torque. It beats most of the 2 liter D segment Japs e.g Camry, Accord and Teana in terms of power. Not to mention its more advanced 7 speed DSG gearbox. But all that comes with a price and at approx RM160K (OTR), it isnt cheap.

My choice would still be the Kia Optima K5 at only RM143,888 (OTR). It is slighty more powerful than comparable Jap models with 163Hp & 198Nm torque but with excellent specs, design and interior space.

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ May 8 2012, 08:51 AM)
i dont fecking care about the specs. read carefully what i've written there

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I did and ive responded. U claimed the 1.4 is small which is a major oversight on your part. The bits about specs is an add on.
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post May 8 2012, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ May 8 2012, 08:58 AM)
you still dont get what i'm implying.
Now i did. Sorry! notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(kenrain @ May 8 2012, 01:59 PM)
There's pros and cons on Jetta. The pros being that it is a continental car and you can expect a good NVH from it. Also the DSG gearbox is superb. If compared to Optima K5, the latter offers alot more gadgets that you can play with. Sunroof/moonroof, paddle shift, keyless system, Infinity sound system and not forgetting all the safety features it offers and larger space for rear passenger and huge boot size, with the jetta at around RM 10k more pricier. If you don't like gadgets and prefer good NVH, then go for jetta. If you want more value for the price you pay, then you should consider Optima K5
The Jetta is about 17K more (OTR) with insurance. Many ppl get confused between poor NVH and tyre noise. In the Optima's case, alot of the noise actually comes from the noisy stock Nexen tyres. But also keep in mind that 18 inch rims with low profile tyres are surely more noisy than smaller sized rims & tyres.

In saying this, i think the NVH on the Optima is quite good. Almost comparable with the class leading NVH Nissan Teana.

All in all, im still enjoying all the attention im getting at makan shops & traffic light stops. So far ive had 3 strangers come forward to ask about the car. Must mean something i guess eh? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(speedbird90 @ May 8 2012, 03:51 PM)
I can't believe a kia was even considered an option or recommended by people here..
Do elaborate please


Added on May 8, 2012, 5:43 pm
QUOTE(Madgeiser @ May 8 2012, 03:51 PM)
Do also bear in  mind VW cars only need to be service every 15,000KM, compared to the rest which is usually every 5,000KM.
Most of the Jap and Korean cars using fully synthetic oil are serviced every 10,000km not 5,000.

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QUOTE(kcng @ May 8 2012, 05:52 PM)
comparing in terms of?
driving dynamics, nothing come close jetta...
i've driven the jetta extensively over a weekend and sad to say, altis, optima, forte, koup, slyphy is no where near what the jetta chassis can do... it is very well composed even during mid corner correction...

highway cruise (150-160 km/h) is very well comfortable... the chassis just soak up the road imperfections but u will hear the tyres rolling noise... not loud but its there...

features wise is a hit and miss as there is alot of choices now for this range of car...
dont worry about maintenance as there is plenty of people that you can ask before you send your car in for service...
the key word here is to know exactly what need to be serviced and what dont... and u can keep your bill down
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the TCU on the jetta is slightly diff from the Golf TSI (i think) as you can feel the creep with this jetta as compared to the golf TSI where it literally stay still even in D and the brakes are depressed...
very good in stop and go traffic (exactly like the normal torque converter based transmission)
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dont let the 1400kg weigh fool u... it felt much lighter then that once u get behind the wheels....

P/S - if u are comparing outlooks, the jetta is just a plain girl next door where as the optima is girl with make-up, push up and deep v-necks..... if u get what i mean biggrin.gif
The Optima is more than looks. Spec wise no other D segment model in that price range matches. It may not have top class handling compared to more refined brands like VW but the fact that ppl consider the Optima as direct competition to the VW is statement enough on the improvements that Kia has made.
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post May 9 2012, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(azfamy @ May 8 2012, 07:13 PM)
If people consider K5(D) as competition to Jetta(D), then it just shows that people perceive Kia as a class below. It's akin to people comparing Preve Ā© vs Vios/City (B). Btw, Jetta's subdued looks but superb performance makes it a perfect "sleeper" car. Substance over form.
Sorry, it should've been substance over style smile.gif
Read my statement again. I said competition to VW not Jetta in particular. The Optima was brought up as it was in the same price bracket. But if ure only comparing the 3 models above, then the Jetta is a clear choice.


Added on May 9, 2012, 7:47 am
QUOTE(kcng @ May 8 2012, 06:05 PM)
that is why i ask comparing in terms of what?

btw handling is more then just corner baring
I didnt say that corner baring was the only way to test handling did i? But since we're on the topic, why dont u educate the rest of us on how to test handling on normal city terrain during test drives?

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post Oct 12 2012, 07:29 PM

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So what has TS decided?
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post Nov 12 2012, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Nov 12 2012, 03:47 PM)
Ford Focus has all the tech but dunno why it hasn't caught on in the msian market.
Probably due to the rather bland design and the serious lack of rear legroom.
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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Nov 12 2012, 03:47 PM)
Hoho, don't buy the Altis, it sucks. I compared the 2.0G Altis to the Polo Sedan 1.6 and guess what? The Polo Sedan 1.6 beats the Altis anytime. I step hard on the Altis during test drive, by the time it reach 100kmh, the RPM was 5000-6000. Whereas, the Polo is smooth, step hard at 100kmh, the RPM was mere 2000-3000. This is the wonder of german technology. Interior is super ugly, plasticky looking. Not worth my RM123k.
This is totally wrong. There is NO CAR which has a RPM of 5,000-6,000 at a cruising speed of 100kmph. The only way you can achieve this kind of RPM at this speed is by downshifting to maybe 3rd gear or if you were accelerating hard. Check your facts please.

Most new cars nowadays can achieve a RPM close to 2,000 at a cruising speed of 110kmph. Nothing great actually. The new Camry 2.5V's RPM is only at 1,750 at 110kmph.

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post Nov 29 2012, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Nov 29 2012, 08:16 AM)
Someone pls get Mr.All Know Well come here.
Who?
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post Jan 7 2013, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(blurry d @ Nov 29 2012, 02:11 PM)
In a level playing field, the VW Jetta is the same range as the BMW 3 and Merc C class but it is not there la.. It is the mid range version of the superior brands.
Jetta same range as BMW 3 Series and Merc C Class? rclxub.gif
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post Jan 7 2013, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 29 2012, 09:01 AM)
12k km a month?

he eat sleep shit in the car?
thats like 400 km a day for 30 days...

1 year old car ma 120k km on the clock dy?

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Over and over again u continue to baffle me with your totally incorrect assumptions. If u (and the other fool) had cared to read my post carefully u would easily have realised that i wasnt refering to my current ride in clocking the 12K km a month. doh.gif
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post Jan 10 2013, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Jan 10 2013, 09:34 AM)
over and over again u baffled me even more with your total ignorance.
if u being the fool like u are, had care to read between the lines, this is sarcasm...
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Oh yes im surely a fool for giving up on Toyota after 9 yrs of loyalty and bowing to your supposedly superior jap supporter intellect? Yes then i am a fool. biggrin.gif Must be quite frustrating being you with your inferiority complex eh? Pity!

I understand the sarcasm part but claiming something which isn't true when its clear enough borders on utter foolishness. I would have expected more maturity from you. Guess it was too much to expect. But do continue responding to my posts yea? Its just so much fun seeing you getting worked up (despite your feeble attempts to show that ure cool bout it) biggrin.gif

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