is it the armrest near door panel that has powerwindow switch? Jusk asking.

drob by, about warranty changing rim, it wont affect ur warranty totally. Worst case scenario, just related part to suspension will be affected, but thats only if scs are really strict. U can kautim with them actually. Changing the rims may affected the r n h balance and maybe affect a bit on ur fc.

About the delay, herm, hard to say though. Delivery is on progress, but admit, really slow this time. Maybe due pdi nowadays is done in the plant to ensure everything ok. Really pity u guys. Keep reminding my friends on that. Some eon n edar probs related.

what i meant earlier on oversize rims, not same size rims. For r3 rims, better called bridgestone distributor as mentioned in website on availability, they have the 5 lugs exora 16 inch. Tyre prevously re 001, but better confirm with bridgestone first.

The only thing i can do on delay delivery is bugging my dear friend. The best thing, everybody complaint to i-care, coz my source is not related to the plant, just r n d. Hopefully with many complaints, they will make it fast.

im not dsz. Already mentioned about any issues, before received, after received, do complaint to sc coz cant do anything. Dunno whether faulty part or not on esc/tc button coz its light up during night. And cant simply push one time to deactivate. About lock n unlock button, also need to check coz that is sop. The lock/unlock involve bcm, so, need to diagnost 1st. Actually already mentined before when one mentioning on wing mirror probs. For gear indicator, maybe led faulty. But need checking coz only light up when u turn on main headlamp.

Everything involves vendors/suppliers faulty part need a report, so that the suppliers/vendors can rectify it(if its really product fault) or one faulty unit among many within tolerable tolerence@just mistake done by human during assembly@how this things happened and miss by the qc n etc.

Owners report is really important as evidence to support on faulty part supply by them. Evrything need to investigate thoroughly coz to check where is the root of problem.

That is common sop in any manufacturer coz actually, everybody involve in qc, not only prtn, even the supplier also. Who's doing the fault need to determine first. But dont worry, of course the faulty part will be replace or rectify first for customers unless it is really a technical things that need deep investigation. This is just internally.

erm, already mentioned earlier that many of the units in showroom are pre prod one. for the time being, not heard any flash tinggy, maybe just because pre prod is around 90% of actual, but the diff is minimal though. If there is any, coz its not involve safety reason, normally they will do the reflash when sending car for 1st service.

The only thing i remember n know is when flx launch, some cars already handed to customer, and then punch issue to call back all cars n halting the production coz need to change the cvt oil pump. I think its nearly a month due, n many complaints on the lateness.

It just upon punch(oem) inspection, there may be some faulty on cvt oil pump supply by their supplier(punch supplier), due to that reason, all things being halt, even cars that on the delivery being call back to rectify that issue.

Other than that, dunno. Coz neverheard any exercise on production of preve. Maybe shud wait the review of production cars by autocar asean, asian auto, topgear malaysia n etc(shud be next comin month),compare to preproduction one they test before coz what they are testing in club med are the production unit. Maybe their 'professional' oppinion on the performance n etc shud be counted also coz they have driven so many cars, 2.0 na cars n even 4.8 v8 car. May need to take note whether it is as one mentioned even bad than 1.6 na, n saying maybe those who never drive 2.0 na will feel joy, those who already drive 2.0 na will say just terrible(dunno also coz during preproduction unit review, they also mentioned pwr as 2.0 na, never mentioned cfe is underperformed, even 1.6 na can better it, but who knows maybe the review given by journos that never driven 2.0 na cars before)

since some already send the car to 1st service, (about magnetrap, its optional, if dont want, dont include it, same as x1r, ask with service advisor about the list, n just take a common one only), why not asked them is there any big diff after service on throttle sensitivity.

remember the spoilt suprise? Its actually the price and the warranty coz 3 years warranty is standard in new prtn previously(u can check saga flx@flx se) and the booklet was printed earlier. Afaik, 5 years is for ,major parts that been covered 3 years before. Its not ewp, but fully 5 years warranty for preve.

u can call i care for confirmation though.

i do agree that prtn shud issue some special letter to ammend it coz i believe its not extended warranty, but standard warranty for preve, eventhough in the computer system, it would be automatically when u service it for 1st time.

But better confirm n then complaint that.

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Added on May 1, 2012, 8:56 pmi do agree that prtn shud issue some special letter to ammend it coz i believe its not extended warranty, but standard warranty for preve, eventhough in the computer system, it would be automatically when u service it for 1st time.

But better confirm n then complaint that.

This post has been edited by mat79: May 1 2012, 08:56 PM

bout ecu, i think qc is not involve coz even tuning by prtn n lotus, but the software n hardware provided by conti ag, same as bcm unit. So, upon testing on dyno in the plant ok, check with padt oso ok, then its supposed to be ok. If any glitches, so need to report to conti ag. Hopefully its not the loose battery connector case dah lah.and its only isolated case.

Since drb already finish auditing, i think its ok to share a bit. Since acquiring prtn n also lotus, many things put on halt n cash flow also being block during the auditing. So, many things cant be done until the exercise ended. Dunno whether this actually related to the delay of distribution@etc. But the only thing i know thats the reason why less ads or campaign unlike exora previously.

Dont blame drb actually, as new owner that already spend billions acquiring prtn, so, they need to audit everything to make sure no excess or unrelated expenditure, feasible or not on future project n etc before giving green light n money to spend.

So, for the moment, hatch is on back, so, expecting mule on june onwards in sedan disguise maybe, on gsc, if green oso, maybe also seing the mule, maybe saga@savvy as mule, who knows or even mitsu/nissan.

But for preve, now supposed to run smoothly. Everything flow back as normal. And iinm, dsz had a talk in hot fm previously on the accident preve n the malaysian acusation about what had happened. But many missed out on that i think coz the picture still being posted again n again, even the ceo himself already explained officially on the mass media. Thats a daring move coz if not true, not only prtn, but oso his name n reps on the line.

Hopefully drb has the same passion as the team.

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Added on May 1, 2012, 10:43 pmYup, not only preve, even for the cheapest saga flx. and oso any other car, not only prtn coz car is not cheap by the way.

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k2002,just asking, is ur gear lever indicator only light up the p n r only, is that during daylight or also, at night when u switch on the headlight?

erm, the 1st one is ok coz its only lit up when u light up the headlights. During morning, cant see becoz already daylight, the only thing that i concern that no light at all on other alphabets. It supposed to have a bit light even not that bright. It seems that u dont see d n s at all during night. When u shift to d, did the lever indicator indicate it, means a bit of light on d? Just send up for inspection during service to check and try to adjust the dimmer function first(but that supposed to control the instrument panel lighting).

Erm i think what dsz said 2 month is 2 month after launching. But standard sop supposed to be 1 month after launching. Which means for pre bookers, by the latest 1 month after launching, n if dont receive, complaint kaw kaw by phoning or emailing i care.

But better bugging them early, so that they terkejut. But i have to admit that sales estimation from sales dept is not really good since they shud anticipate more on premium variant.

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Added on May 2, 2012, 7:54 amerm, the 1st one is ok coz its only lit up when u light up the headlights. During morning, cant see becoz already daylight, the only thing that i concern that no light at all on other alphabets. It supposed to have a bit light even not that bright. It seems that u dont see d n s at all during night. When u shift to d, did the lever indicator indicate it, means a bit of light on d? Just send up for inspection during service to check and try to adjust the dimmer function first(but that supposed to control the instrument panel lighting).

Erm i think what dsz said 2 month is 2 month after launching. But standard sop supposed to be 1 month after launching. Which means for pre bookers, by the latest 1 month after launching, n if dont receive, complaint kaw kaw by phoning or emailing i care.

But better bugging them early, so that they terkejut. But i have to admit that sales estimation from sales dept is not really good since they shud anticipate more on premium variant.

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Added on May 2, 2012, 7:54 amerm, the 1st one is ok coz its only lit up when u light up the headlights. During morning, cant see becoz already daylight, the only thing that i concern that no light at all on other alphabets. It supposed to have a bit light even not that bright. It seems that u dont see d n s at all during night. When u shift to d, did the lever indicator indicate it, means a bit of light on d? Just send up for inspection during service to check and try to adjust the dimmer function first(but that supposed to control the instrument panel lighting).

Erm i think what dsz said 2 month is 2 month after launching. But standard sop supposed to be 1 month after launching. Which means for pre bookers, by the latest 1 month after launching, n if dont receive, complaint kaw kaw by phoning or emailing i care.

But better bugging them early, so that they terkejut. But i have to admit that sales estimation from sales dept is not really good since they shud anticipate more on premium variant.

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Added on May 2, 2012, 7:57 amhaiya, tripple post again. What to do, if doesnt spoil,just used it :-).

This post has been edited by mat79: May 2 2012, 07:57 AM

about the weird sound when engaging to reverse, i think kristof already explains it. It is due to planetary gear when engage reverse where by it is given fixed ratio. And the sound shud be lesser by time. But if its getting loud n loud after 5k service, then shud report to sc during service.

About fc, it shud be better when all the component matured enough. The best fc u can get is after 10k km. But for town driving, better to let the vvt play the main part, rather than turbo unit. Meaning that, after the car already move, rev below 2k rpm, maintain it that way coz in stop start condition, engaging turbo unit can consume more fuel. Yep, will feel less energetic coz rev below 2k, but it is not actually, just the feeling coz the rigid chasis. But its not underpower when already move and maintain below 2k coz even reving at 1.5k, its already generate more torque than cps engine at 4.5k rpm. If exora cps u can feel the powerband coming at 3k rpm upward n its heavier than preve, then it shud be no prob for preve. Iinm, around 160nm+- torque generate@1.5k rpm. Driving at 1.8k rpm shud be enough around town. Only when u achieve speed around 80kmh++ n need to speed up to 100kmh, then after rev around 1.8k n speed reach 80kmh++, then gradually press the throttle to rev it up to 2k rpm.

Equip with up n down hill sensor, u can hear the whining louder than usual when driving uphill or downhill coz it change to lower ratio to facilitate the engine power n engine braking. Using torque based ecu, for example, when driving on flat road at 2k rpm, no need to press pedal a bit more when climbing coz the ecu will detect the torque needed n send signal to tcu, n tcu sense the uphill motion, change to lower ratio. Its not like driving load based ecu where u need to press the pedal to engange lower gear. Just maintain the throttle pressure as in flat road, the ecu n tcu will do the job for u.

Unless u need higher speed going uphill than when u r on flat road(the road before the step gradient), then u need to press the throttle more.

Hope this will help.

forget to mentioned, when u r on highways, even driving beyond 2k rpm, it wont consume too much fc becoz it used the car inertia@momentum to maintain speed coz start n stop situation less happening on highways, rather than the turbine unit solely.

that is pay as u go concept. Im not datuk lah, still young :-). Im not oso dsz. Share some info on iafm+ n cfe engine. On of important aspect during pheonix project engine is to optimise power usage n less loss by keeping the engine at its optimum operation temperature around 80 degree. If the engine temperature is less than optimum temperature, it causing the engine to work hard to pull the pulley n causing bad fc, and if the temparature is more than optimum operation, the power is loss n also causing bad fc. So, one of changing part in iafm+ n cfe is cooling part. Thats why iafm+ has the same service schedule as cfe cause it is na base of cfe. The diff are on vvt where being replace by iafm n no tubo charge unit and of course the bore n stroke. Others are more or less the same. Another diff between cfe n iafm+ is spark plug coz cfe used iridium based, iafm+ platinum based.

Thats why iafm+ service schedule is diff than iafm, cps n campro unit. Iafm, campro n cps has the same based,diff on certain tech only.

when i said about rigid chasis, iinm, iswara@saga based torsion n bending rigidity around 7000nm, wira based around 9000nm, waja nearly 13000nm, gen2@persona more or less the same as waja with some revision at 13000nm, satria neo at 14000nm++, savvy based such saga 17000nm, exora 18000nm and preve at 19000nm added with 12 parts hpf reinforcement that double up the strength of ahss using boron steel which is lighter than ahss. The less surge feeling not only due to engine tuning, but also chasis refinement as u can see above.

about assemby line of cfe n iafm+, i dunno, but if not mistaken, diff assembly line, same output capacity. Since demand for cfe is higher than iafm+ unit, then it shud be understandable cfe unit is a bit late arriving compare to iafm+ unit. Dun have connection on assembly line,so,cant confirm it though, by the way, those who already receive the car, hows the welding point?

yup,saga is stronger than waja coz waja platform is old one. U can check euroncap marks on front n side collision, compare with saga ancap frontal n side collision marks.

And cfe changing schedule for plugs is 60k km@ 3 years which ever come first.

it can last up to 100k, being informed, during the testing, after 60k, the efficiency of the plugs will be less, it can effect performance a bit n fc. Thats why 60k is recommended. Its like the ngk r used in campro, it can last up to 40k, but optimum efficiency is only at 20k. Thats why recommended change at 20k.

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Added on May 3, 2012, 10:10 amYup, thats already include in checklist. Can explain clearly on the messy part, is it the 2 pieces is not the same size, i mean the connection (the metal part, not the welding part)like as the pre prod part before, or it just the spot not nice?

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Added on May 3, 2012, 10:14 amjust i said before, there are protonians observing the net silently gathering feedback. However, shud complaint officially to sc when send in the car for service. All feedback required by them i supposed to monitor even for vendors performance.


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oic junn,its the spot then, not the metal. So,complaint it. About rotor, since supply by trw, need to send sc to rectify what u mean coz hard to see it even with pictures.

Fc info on sid is just a guidelines. Average fc also diff coz it averanging all. The best method still calculate it manually.

for online, can refer to official prtn facebook(careful coz many fake one, so just enter prtn official website, click on the facebook link), thats how they connect with people online. As mentioned earlier, registered preve club officially, then go through prtn officially to be sign as prtn official. Many benefits can get actually, especially when doing gathering. Sometimes they did sponsored something for events under the club, not only on technical relation. Maybe can ask eocm on how they proceed it.

Im not datukla, just drop info what i can get from sos tomato :-), since sharing is caring then.