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hoongern
post Jan 5 2006, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Jan 3 2006, 11:35 PM)
I'm in UK, but not London ... The address I put up here is the address of Sherlock Holmes at Baker Street ... Didn't have time to visit that place ... XD

I'm in a remote town called Bradford ... How about you? Are you doing music in England now?

*Yea, we seems to be diverting our conversation alittle here ...  laugh.gif

Hmm, isn't piece like  The Flight of the Bumble Bee composed by Rimskij Korsakov much tougher? By the way, you came across any piece you like by Franz Schubert?
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PM'ed you which hopefully got through... hehe.. Too off topic..
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post Jan 19 2006, 12:31 AM

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i am on the move of buying a DIGITAL piano or a keyboard... budject is around 3k.. i nd to carry aroud place so i cant consider a piano..

i am jz a beginner..

any model recomemdation from u guy??

is digital piano beter then keyboard..? weighted key??
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post Jan 19 2006, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(tytons @ Jan 4 2006, 07:00 AM)
geminist...does ur uni hav music courses?mine has..n they got some orchestra thingy...some ppl are not bad...theres alot a place in newcastle called sage or someting i was told they got orchestra n gig goin on there..i miss the tommy emanuel 1 not too long ago...im sure london got alot of events as well rite?

i checked the schedule..hillary duff will be here this year..haha.. tongue.gif but it doesnt hav anything to do with the topic hhaa.. wub.gif
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Really sorry, didn't check back this thread until I saw the latest thread ...

Erm, no ... IIRC, the university don't really offer any music course ...

*Yea, there's quite a lot of events going on around London too (though I'm not staying in London) ... I missed the Stomp performance some time ago but I don't think I need to worry much as they perform frequently ...

QUOTE(hoongern @ Jan 5 2006, 04:31 PM)
PM'ed you which hopefully got through... hehe.. Too off topic..
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Erm, been wanting to ask you, I think I have replied to you ... Or haven't I huh.gif ?

QUOTE(X-LaW @ Jan 19 2006, 12:31 AM)
i am on the move of buying a DIGITAL piano or a keyboard... budject is around 3k.. i nd to carry aroud place so i cant consider a piano..

i am jz a beginner..

any model recomemdation from u guy??

is digital piano beter then keyboard..? weighted key??
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Some digital piano are portable whereas some are not, so the choices I'm listing below are all portable ... (About the price, it's something around 3k I guess .. I'm not in Malaysia so I can't really tell) ...

For 3k, you can consider:

Digital Piano

Yamaha P60 Digital Piano (Discontinued, but hopefully they still have some in stock)

Yamaha P70 portable Piano (Successor to P60 and cheaper too)

Korg SP200 Digital Piano (Not sure about the price, but it's around 4k if you convert it to RM)

*All three of the digital piano's key have hammer action which means, they are closer to a real acoustic piano ... But of course, the price for all three digital piano exceeds the keyboards ...

Keyboards

Yamaha DGX 205

Yamaha DGX 505

Casio WK3200

Casio Wk3500

Personally, I would suggest the Casio WK3000 (Discontinued model, so try and hunt for a price reduction) ...

Or else, Yamaha DGX205 might be a good choice for budget users too ...

Well, after having said that, what is the main purpose for you to buy a piano?

You wanted to self learn or?

Your choices of instruments might vary depending on your choices of use ...

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post Jan 19 2006, 01:00 AM

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what about Roland keyboards nowadays? i still have one, hardly use cos most time play guitar.

oh and about piano, you don't have to play it complicated to make it nice. smile.gif for me, i just play keyboard without notes, just generate a tune as i play.

heck even once my mother thought it was some CD or some music on TV. wink.gif

i have no piano class, but i do have Yahama JEC certification (can't remember what level la)........ but that was like 15 years+++ ago.

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post Jan 19 2006, 01:04 AM

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i have learn piano for a a while.. bt nd to go melaka to study.. so plan to buy one can portable one ma... can bring there n bring back when holiaday...
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 19 2006, 01:00 AM)
what about Roland keyboards nowadays? i still have one, hardly use cos most time play guitar.

oh and about piano, you don't have to play it complicated to make it nice. smile.gif for me, i just play keyboard without notes, just generate a tune as i play.

heck even once my mother thought it was some CD or some music on TV. wink.gif

i have no piano class, but i do have Yahama JEC certification (can't remember what level la)........ but that was like 15 years+++ ago.
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Oh Roland ... !!

I didn't really do much research on Roland last time ... Therefore, I'm not really familar with their products ...

But as far as I know, just like Nord, Roland's product don't come really cheap nowadays ...

It's fun to play by your feeling (though it may turn out crappy sometimes) or play by your ear ... As long as you enjoy it, it's good enough smile.gif

QUOTE(X-LaW @ Jan 19 2006, 01:04 AM)
i have learn piano for a a while.. bt nd to go melaka to study.. so plan to buy one can portable one ma... can bring there n bring back when holiaday...
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Well, if you're just going to play it casually, I would suggest a keyboard like DGX205 as it's really quite cheap and decent ...

However, if you're looking for something which will last you for a longer period of time, try to look for DGX505 or digital piano ... However, they might be more pricey ... There's some change in the models of the keyboards/digital piano lately, so try and hunt for a bargain smile.gif

*For the keyboards above, the Casio and the Yamaha doesn't vary much, it's just your personal preferences to decide which brand you would like to get ...

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post Jan 19 2006, 01:48 AM

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Erm, been wanting to ask you, I think I have replied to you ... Or haven't I huh.gif ?


Hmm. nothing yet..

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oh and about piano, you don't have to play it complicated to make it nice. smile.gif for me, i just play keyboard without notes, just generate a tune as i play.


Yes.. Improvisation - a total skill by itself.. one weird thing I've come to realise too is that in many cases, the simpler stuff is harder to play than complicated stuff... because you can easily cover up if playing all those thousands of notes.. but to play a few notes perfectly can be a huge challenge...
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post Jan 20 2006, 10:24 PM

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i caught stomp here in newcastle...was not too bad..enjoyed it...i had the vcd at home long time ago..n suprisingly its pretty much the same routine...so i guess 1 time is enuff...unless they have a new routine...but they do improvise a lil during each performance..so its not 100% identical.

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post Jan 22 2006, 09:34 PM

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Actually, seems to me that the term 'improvisation' (in classical context) hasn't been heard much...

When you hear that term most people think of jazz improv or something (i think)... and actually, although now most classical scores are notated, if you've listened to any Mozart Piano Concertos, the cadenza (Basically the part where the pianists gets to show off all his skills) used to be improvised... as well as during the baroque era, the person having the basso continuo would be given figured bass and would improvise on top of the bass line... Just something I thought interesting.
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Yamaha DGX 305.. jz bought...1765

playing wit it nw...

thx for advise...
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post Feb 21 2006, 08:10 PM

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Hello, I'm new here, I'm Indonesian, I'm currently studying at KL, but I can't practice piano because I don't know where to rent piano at KL, does someone know where to rent a cheap piano? any help will be appreciate.
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post Feb 28 2006, 12:42 PM

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it's expensive to rent a piano. not to mention the trouble of moving it if you are moving. you can try to find some music schools near your area and rent on hourly basis. you'll just need to go there to practice.
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But I'm Living at cyberjaya, and there is no music school nearby, therefore no piano rental. Is there any piano rental/school u know near cyberjaya or KL? thx for the help
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post Mar 1 2006, 04:32 PM

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you can try out in Serdang, South City Plaza or Mines. i see a couple of music schools there
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post Mar 9 2006, 08:58 PM

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hi, i am very interested to play piano.. wanted to learn them but i couldn't afford a piano, neither would my parents allow i guess.. but is there anyway which i can learn piano actually without owning a piano? and what is the cheapest alternative...
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post Mar 10 2006, 01:29 PM

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if you're not into exams but just for leisure, there's always a way to learn without having to own a piano. do you have friends owning a piano? head over there once in a while. you can also join some music clubs in school or college. i'm pretty sure most of the schools do own one. you don't have to pay a single cent. just need to treat your friends

learning piano by ear is very good for late starters. you don't have to focus on the exams. with minor guidance from an expert, you can play much more better (pop songs, not classicals) than those who have taken many exams, provided you can master the basics.

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QUOTE(hoongji @ Mar 10 2006, 02:29 PM)
if you're not into exams but just for leisure, there's always a way to learn without having to own a piano. do you have friends owning a piano? head over there once in a while. you can also join some music clubs in school or college. i'm pretty sure most of the schools do own one. you don't have to pay a single cent. just need to treat your friends

learning piano by ear is very good for late starters. you don't have to focus on the exams. with minor guidance from an expert, you can play much more better (pop songs, not classicals) than those who have taken many exams, provided you can master the basics.
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i wish to play classical more then pop songs.. and most of my friend has a piano i guess.. just that.. even those with piano also dun want 2 play edi.. guess their piano edi left for years..
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post Mar 10 2006, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Mar 10 2006, 05:27 PM)
i wish to play classical more then pop songs.. and most of my friend has a piano i guess.. just that.. even those with piano also dun want 2 play edi.. guess their piano edi left for years..
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you need professional training to play classical because there are many techniques you need to learn. pop is easier and can be learned on your own.

i'm just like your friends. i left my keyboard in the dust. now working already and don't really have the time to play.
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QUOTE(hoongji @ Mar 10 2006, 07:00 PM)
you need professional training to play classical because there are many techniques you need to learn. pop is easier and can be learned on your own.

i'm just like your friends. i left my keyboard in the dust. now working already and don't really have the time to play.
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lol, my fried dun want to play coz he said his teacher very fierce biggrin.gif

seems that it's impossible to play classical without enrolling to proper classes cry.gif
aiks.. seems that i can only listen oni..

my uni(UTAR) seems stupid after all, they dont have any proper instrumental club cry.gif maybe yes to guitar or violin or instrumental which have mobility.. but not to bulky instrumental like piano or organs etc...
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post Mar 11 2006, 03:32 AM

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Well, I guess it's true that you will need a teacher at a certain point.. but I don't know. I myself started out learning classical piano by ear when I was three yrs old... and I can say that that has trained my ear A LOT, although yes, it can be a problem as well... You can pick up many 'bad habits' without a teacher... I think these habits come whether it's pop/classical/anything...and if I may to voice my opinion, the technical side of classical playing is much harder than pop music, which is why the problems seem more apparent in classical.

Yes, there are some ganas teachers around.. which, depending on the student can be good or bad. Personally I don't go well with ganas teachers hehe... But I will say - I would always want a teacher... and I have very very very nice teachers...

As for a piano... I guess you'll just have to go to one of your friend's houses to use a piano... Or *if* you enroll in a music school, depending, you should be able to practice there.

Bulky instruments? Care to try talking about the pipe organ??? Hehe.. I only know one in the whole of malaysia - at MPO.. (I'm sure there're a few more here and there).

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