Just saw this today http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...urry-shots.html



I did a search and found http://www.westgatephotography.com/ LOL.



Poor thing company with same name also probably got some bad press.

I saw some commented "you get what you paid for." - while the statement is true in many areas of life, I don't think it's a reason to deliver horrible photos just because one is lowly paid. Delivery is delivery.

Looking at the execution, the photographers clearly lack the knowledge of critical elements that are involved in photography (eg settings to freeze motion) and also the lack of knowledge / understanding of weddings, and even anticipating events.

It also looks like there's a huge lack in attention to detail, and also the lack of skill to control the crowd (as photographer, you do have some authority that day to move people around. most people would oblige to the request.

I think the more alarming matter is how the service provider could even deliver images that failed. For me, I make it a point to NOT show failed photos, unless so happened the failed photo has some redeeming points, eg slightly out of focus but composition and moment looks decent.


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2 things for people to realize.

1) Check the photographer portfolio. Some photographer uses other people's portfolio. One way to check is to notice the styles, usually a photographer will have a similar style across his / her portfolio. If in doubt, ask for their qualification (not everyone has them, you don't need qualification to be a good photographer. Not having them doesn't make you any less a photographer either).

2) Don't bother getting into the industry if you can't deliver.

Tru story bro

Read that too, aha u link it here.

The photo seems bad enough, but im just wondering, is it a few bad pics among the many good or seriously the photographer submit these bad picture as end product?

Im sure some of the bad stuff can pp out

hidden, I'm pretty sure that if those are just a shot or 2 of bad ones, the couple wouldn't make such a big fuss out of it. Looks like the hired photog really screwed this up pretty badly..

my cousin in secondary school can take pictures better than that...
saw his shots taken during his schools prom nite and it is rather nice...

lol XD

That's the worst wedding shot paid at £750...
Even my first wedding shot are way better than those shots...
And most importantly... no family photos and newly wed potraits?
That really is sucks...

Gosh...just checked the photos. @@

It seems like those shots are taken with compact cameras?? Or even compact cameras can do better job tho!

Saw something similar 2 years ago, also happen at UK, and the couples sue the photographer.

Most people's perception -> using a DSLR=pro, which could end up with situation like this.

thats the trend nowadays

and mat,raju and ah chong with a dslr nowadays is a "photographer"

agree... once upon a time, when DSLR is only a luxury to own, whoever has it = photographer...
but nowadays when DSLR is as cheap as your high end compact... it makes everyone think they are good photographer by holding one in their hand
sometimes i really dislike the availability of "entry level" DSLR... cos wherever i go there will be people hanging it on their shoulder and swinging it around just like a shopping bag... and i have seen old grandpa and granny with their hand shaking and taking pictures with DSLR... (wonder who cheated them to buy a DSLR... i hope the anti-shake works for them)
but come to think of it, if such entry level DSLR is not available, we may have miss a lot of great pictures as there are a lot of great eye out there who doesn't have the bucks to go for pro level gear.

anyway, all in all i still think that it is back to the human being... just greed for money and start becoming a "photographer" for "quick money" and spoiling the industry...

Yea, there are a lot of Photographers out there. Whether to be one of the photographers, or THE rephotograph, it is very much depends on a person's skills and experience. Perhaps go for M4/3 is good! hehe

LOL

i use an entry level dslr and i hung it around my neck all the tiem

are u gonna disleik me

ehh, what has this got to do with people hanging camera on their neck?

Should've just used the green box mode. But worse is the shooter don't have any communication skills at all.

But maybe dailymail is just trolling...

poh... i'd rather pay a lot for my wedding than have no great picture to keep for my really important day of life...

even i'm confident to take picture i will always tell people to hired a truly pro... and tagging along with them helping with communication and such... haven't dare to took an important work like this by myself...

Well u cant take 10 photos and 10 would turn out great no? especially when these are spontaneous snap..

Isnt that is why the snappers usually took like 100+ pics and then filter the bad ones and only give like probably 20% of the good ones to the client?

this situation happened to my wife's boss's daughter. Not so bad lah but she engaged a freelance photographer which she know has a DSLR. End up the photos taken just like normal photos taken by point and shoot cameras, no feel at all.

my wedding event photographer who has shot some of my friend's wedding too, was introduced by a photog friend. Cannot simply trust any guys who just own a DSLR nowadays.

I carry a camera with me all the time too. I was like you once, bitter about kids from 10-80 y.o. all carrying a camera around their neck. Then I read an article in TOP, it shouldn't matter what people using that matters to you, or professional photographer, because most are having cameras to take snap shots of their daily lives, and they have the right to demand for high quality pictures as well even though they don't make any money from that.

Just like pickup truck, not everyone who's driving one is utilizing the truck to transport stuff, they just like the convenience of having one. BTW, not everyone owning an expensive piece of equipment is greedy for money. Take Leica for example, people who owns Leicas treasures its history and value.

If you are good at what your do (in this case photography), then you shouldn't worry about the general public/layman owning a cameras too! **i remember I read an article from Goldfries somewhere as well but I'm too lazy to search for it sorry =P

not to be an arse or what but that really a bad shoot to keep ratio there

that's saying much for a hobbyist like u and me bro

You pay RM5k u get old kancil.

You pay RM350k u get Mercedes C-Class.

Dont be a cheapskate people. Especially on wedding pictures.

This post has been edited by JeggaSimple: Apr 23 2012, 12:04 PM

about the ratio - i think it is inevitable for newbie (like me). It is better to shoot more (especially trying different setting, angle, style) than shoot less. Honestly, i shoot about close to 1,600 photos during my 1 week overseas trip to China early this month. Only about 500 shots are good, another 800 is ok after some retouching, the rest is to be discarded. But i do learn a lot from the 300 photos that being discarded, will definitely take note of these lessons on my next trip.

as a hobbyist, i just shoot my private photos. I did once do wedding photography for my wife's good friend on the wedding day but not on commercial basis, just tag along with another photographer. Luckily the photos all turns out not bad and my wife's friends like them very much - but not pro like those professional shots lah but better than normal PnS.

This post has been edited by Cynox: Apr 23 2012, 12:11 PM

this is the problem when there is potential money and everyone has the gear.

They will always give it a try, no harm to them, but nightmare for the couple as there won't be another wedding anymore for them.

The other problem is amateur entering into the market charging professional fee, and sometimes even higher than professional fee

An experience photographer will have the right gear and will be at the right place to get the perfect shot.

Sometimes, the couple want to save $$, when they plan for wedding photographer, they straight think of: hey those xxx got and dslr, let's ask him shot

well seriously, that is wat happening, and serious enough, they accept the photos.

I have been to so many weddings where there are no photographer/videographer. Having photos for them is already something extra without paying much. They pay more attention to pre-wedding day.

I know someone who engaged the famous Enya Mareine for their pre-wedding, but no photographer for their actual day !

I duno lol....Im not pro hehe.

i get your point, but how about freelance who are charging at a no so cheap price too?

anyway, these days there are many people like this, not just DSLR, but whatever hobby they have, or they just learn something little and think they know everything, and thought 'hei, i can earn easy money!'

i know someone who just learn a few lessons of make up from a freelance make up teacher, then decided to open her own small make up shop, including helping people to make up during wedding and such lol

Yeah got so many new photographers going into the biz nowadays.

The best advise for future couple is to ask for their portfolio of their previous work.

What you can expect. Thats all.

Well...with everything, do research, don't blindly go and hire people without knowing what they can provide. This makes it harder for aspiring photographers to get in (which can be seen as both a positive and negative).

Off topic, what's the keeper rate for everyone here?

BTW, Jegga, what happened to that thread in kopitiam abt you?

Indeed. New photographers should make friends and try to follow established wedding photographers first. You can learn how tos etc.

But most will reply "no la, i can take it, no need follow people"

Closed already la

Looks like their pre-wedding photoshoot took up the bulk of the cost.

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Added on April 23, 2012, 2:30 pmlet's not use the word freelance.

people tend to think freelance = cheaper, lower quality. this is not true.

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Added on April 23, 2012, 2:34 pmin the UK, they have associations like RPS, BIPP and MPA. So they could easily source the photographers from those organizations.

And if they face any problem, they could even report them to the association.

that said, for anyone who wants to go into wedding photography, it's best to gain some experience by being a 2nd shooter. Or if not, sometimes friend no budget but having a wedding, you can take the opportunity to shoot for them.

1. your friend will always be grateful on what you've given to them. (don't charge them la. you newbie mah)
2. you will gain some experience
3. due to your free service and they get pic, usually they won't complain. give them decent photos of course.

it's a win-win situation. Nothing wrong with giving a few free or discounted sessions to gain experience. That's the way to go. After you have experience and portfolio, you can raise the price to justify your service and delivery.

Very broadly I'd have to agree with goldfries cause he has it right. Best to get a mentor to learn the ins and outs of the profession.

I got bored after doing 1 wedding so I stopped doing it. No feel.

freelance means they are self employed and is not attached to any employer/bridal or wedding house.

And there are a few types of freelancer. Those who work professionally and those who do it for leisure. Professional is expected to deliver the best and will charge at professional fee. Those who do it for leisure is the one you need to look into. They can do it for free for the fun of doing it and there are those who do it as 'side' business. The ultimate is always those doing it as 'side' business, doesn't charge high, but deliver quality photos.

I don't mean to be an arse by quoting, but according to John Langford in Advance photography, and to my logical understanding, isn't freelance means they do it for leisure? If they were to shoot professionally it would mean they do it full time, professional freelance sounds oxymoron to me.

never bring a camera which cost more than the actual hired photographer is using at the wedding

some photographer very sour one

free·lance/ˈfrēˌlans/
Adjective:
- Working for different companies at different times rather than being permanently employed by one company.
- A person who sells services to employers without a long-term commitment to any of them.

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Put it this way, take me for example. I run my own business, and photography service is part of the business, probably less than 10% of the entire business.

Would you consider me a freelance? I operate under my company name.

Regardless freelance or not, or how anyone wants to define it - service provided is what it is, regardless who you're operating under. Delivery is expected.

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Added on April 23, 2012, 3:25 pm1. how you gonna know?

2. not the photographer's business to know what camera you bring, isn't it?

As long as you don't get into his way, and he get his job done. It's good. Why do you have to bring a camera to someone's wedding anyway?

1 n 2, in fact both party dunno

like u say, y wanna bring a camera to someones wedding anyway

but from wat i see know, a wedding venue, most of the guest sure bring their camera, be n actual cam or thru the mobile phone ones

some even fight for a better position with the main photographer, hahahhaha

Just imagine what would a freelance writer, freelance web programmer and freelance designer would do and you will have a similarity for freelance photographer. Some make a living out of it doing freelance as well.

Are they categorised as professional ? cause i've not heard of a professional web programmer or professional designer, maybe a professional photographer and maybe professional writer. And their work is on par with those hired in corporate

And i know there are a lot of freelance photographer working for big firm like National Geographic and Associate Press. Simply because it doesn't make sense for them to hire a photographer and send them to Antarctica, Amazon jungle or some place having civil war for few months just for a few photos. Too costly for them. So they engaged these photographers who work on freelance, to do it.

That's why i say, there are those who do it for leisure, and there are those who do it as making a living out of it, a professional. Yes freelance professional photographer sounds oxymoron to me as well. What i'm saying is, there are photographers who overlap between freelance and professional photographer and their charges won't be low.

I actually rather busy eating the food than bringing camera to wedding dinner. I pity the photographer no time to eat nice meal and follow ppl around to get the moment shot.

food here is really bad, hahahhahahah

ehh the word 'professional' and 'freelance' are not something that contradicts.

we have a pinned thread on this PROFESSIONAL part and how many people have distorted ideas on what is professional.

PROFESSIONAL means you're doing it as a PROFESSION. Very simple. Whether you full-time or part time, operating under someone's company on a monthly payroll or making ends meet on your own - you're a professional as long as you're doing it as a profession.

In fact if you're doing it part-time (eg weekend photographer), I believe the term is SEMI-PROFESSIONAL.

Some use the term Amateur, a term that's more often than not, equated with low skill level but it's totally untrue because there are plenty of amateurs out there with very good skills.

My relatives mostly rich. If serve cheap and bad food, no face one...The only bad thing is always the same food from the same hotel

hehe. get to eat already still complain ah?

I don't like to bring camera to wedding events. leceh, not like there's any nice thing to shoot anyway. go and enjoy the company and the food.

Noted. Learn something new everyday. Btw, talking about sour grape, I once encounter a guest of the wed couple, an uncle carrying Olympus e3 to the reception, so he kept boasting e3's indestructible body (exaggeration on my part, but you get it?) and not sure if he's genuinely curious or being sarcastic to the hired photographer of that day who's using Nikon d90, keep pestering him why didn't he upgrade to better body for his job la, there no proper whether seal in Nikon d90...

Showoff or sour grape, happens to everyone...

I know so many press photographer who is attached to certain newspaper/magazine at the same time working as freelance also leh. How? Aren't them overlapping?

This post has been edited by Vincent Pang: Apr 23 2012, 03:56 PM

haha, when I help my frien shoot wedding pic, I found myself hardly to sit on my place, just run here run ther.
end up next time my frien ask me shot pic, i told them: dunwan lel, i want sit down and eat la....

they're still professional photographers la.

Actually if one day I married, I will ban photographer on wedding dinner. Busy whole day sure starving le. Still want busy take what photo also dunno. Already take photo whole day from pre-wedding to end of wedding, it's time to enjoy a good meal with everyone. My elder sister kesian pay so much for dinner but no time eat cuz busy take photo here and there oso

ban wedding dinner better, kekekekek

it's their job . they doing it to get money. so you also pity waiter at restaurants can't eat food? @@

Chinese restaurant dunno eat how many round only change plate. The table clothes full of bones and food leftover. The view is very spectacular but I dun want to remember those moments.

How you know waiter no eat food?

lol...
nothing wrong with carrying your DSLR everywhere hanging around your neck... it is just one of my interpretation towards the flood of DSLR nowadays...
And yes, the one behind the lens is important... and normally, it is fairly easy to know whether the one who is carrying the DSLR is good or not... haha...
but seriously, it's a wedding shot... once in a lifetime... (unless u plan to have another one) so its worth doing some research and spending the bucks on for the moment that you will cherish for the rest of your life...
we even do survey before we buy something and also will buy from reputable seller even though sometime they are not the cheapest la... same thing here...

Seriously, how do you tell?

can one... see how they hold the camera and lens sometime can see one (just sometimes)... see how they handle the gears & etc...

then easiest part is see whether they got busy changing setting or not... most of the time just saw people take out camera straight away can fire one... in any occasion... which i think is unlikely unless... u are shooting auto...

anyway, i think i should stop diverting from the main topic

Maybe give the poor guy a chance, a Retake of the wedding , he might do a better job this time...hehe

I streamlined my photo taking process to adjust as little as possible during shooting to make use of the "moment" I have, it would seem I'm shooting on auto, and I don't preview photos after every shot (after all these years spent on shooting film I'm not as paranoid anymore), or i check my shots after every shoot because of the complex lighting, so does that tell you I'm a noob just got his hands on camera?


"retake" of the wedding? Haha, that's a good one...

wut? wedding again? so that poor guy pay all the dinner expense a? and also expect everyone that attend that day to attend again a? or??

if you are talking about shooting in the same light condition (ie example the wedding ceremony or others) of course there isn't much changes of setting need to be done other than focus and composing the picture, unless you are focusing on some object that reflect harsh light or too dark which may give you underexpose later. this doesn't mean to be a noob. this is the professional way to speed up the shooting process for an event.

The photographer doesn't deserve to be called a photographer to begin with.

Anyway, for me, I often will just reach the venue earlier to observe the lighting condition and take a few test shots to plan the settings ahead.

Wedding is once in a lifetime event.
Must get professionals and experts to do it.

Some of my customer likes to inquiry or survey for the cheapest photographer in town.
I will answer them back as a joke, "if you want cheap cheap, I quote you RM400, I take photo for you, you want?"

I also have my own DSLR, but I dare not to become their wedding photographer despite I meet many wedding couples everyday.

"Once in a lifetime" - greatest selling point for wedding photographers.

Nowadays, doesn't look that applicable. Many people marry more than once.

There are still a lot of people don't really bother how bad is the photographer they gonna hire. Reasons being:

1) They just want someone to take photos during the actual day and keep it as memories. Good or bad, they don't mind
2) Mostly are on tight budget. So cin cai hire Tom, d*** or Harry...

For those couples really want something nice, they will spend money and time hunting for 1 good photographer la.

yea, i remember my wedding photographer, i want him to take candids, but end up the photos were really bad, not wat we wanted, he couldnt deliver wen he says he knows wat picture we want

but then again, we end up divorce, so no harm about it
hahahahah

Wanna book me to shoot for you when get married once again?

i dun really think i will get married, even if i do, i dun think there is a need for wedding photographers

bro you perception is totally wrong. you cant say that at all. i am pretty sure when you started photography once upon a time, you were hanging your camre around your neck and walking it around right. and you would have received the same impression that your saying right. everyone learns from scratch. its just some photographers out stand the others by taking different type of photos.I think as a senior photographer we should correct those who are beginners and share our knowledge to them! Dont be kiasu and all. In that way we are learning as well.

Agreed +999

i still dun like hanging dslr on my neck, really neck breaking task

I hang around my shoulder

Isn't that why you bought rangefinder(s)

That's why we have stout bodied photographer like you

well, yes, tats an excuse , but end up i bought a rangefinder which is bigger and heavier than a dlsr, hahahahahah

i'm no where near pro photographer... and i don shoot a lot actually... so i'm not in the category of carrying camera wherever i go... ^^
& pls don get my meaning wrongly!! I'm in the "like" and "dislike" position towards this... we can't deny that there are people who purchase DSLR just because they think they will become a pro-photographer with it (for me they are not classified as beginner that are learning)... this is wat i dislike about the existence of entry level DSLR... which of cos there's nothing we can do about it.
at the same time i like it because we get to see more quality works from a lot of people!! which is the point stated where we get to learn from each other through the settings they used, the way they process the pictures and etc... i do cherish all the works by some very talented beginner who is shooting with entry level kit or even some are shooting with some age old kit which still deliver great picture!

its like u dislike ppl who buy a ferrari who drives it slow slow

more like they buy a Ferrari but didn't drive it at all... lol
it happens in Dubai, a limited edition Ferrari was dump at the car park to collect dust for the past 2 years after the owner purchase it... dono wat for they buy it in the first place...

It takes time to shoot a great picture. I believe some ppl are just going out seeking something to shoot. Not everyone affords to pay model to practise their shots.

unsure if at there 750 is similar to msia rm400-600 market range for gettign freelance amatuer photograhper... if yes then just could blame for own mistake did not i) bump up budget hiring pro photographer ii) hire at least 2 different company photographer in such important event iii) proper check the photographer reputation

can we do in this way, if Ali going to have wedding, he want to hire 3-4 freelance to shoot the event, he schedule different time slot with these 4 freelance to negotiate and check for the deal, can Ali ask for 2-3 shoot on the spot to gross check their skill? will you guy (if freelance, or pro-photographer) entertain this type of request...?

Sorry Jim, I'm sure you raised a valid point there of hiring several photographers, but I don't quite get the other would you mind rephrase them?

Ideally I think 2 photogs should be enough, and better if they are from the same company so that they have a rough idea of working together, and not be in each others way during shooting, the last thing we want is 2 photogs fighting each other for shooting spot...

yup, do agree on this. when there are 2 photographers, they should cover each others.
U dunwan to end up both photographers giving similar shot.

+1

1. photographer often can cover many things already.

2. with 2 or more inexperienced photography, no guarantee can cover also.

3. photographer don't deliver and it's customer's fault? where's your logic? if you in that shoe you going to say it's your fault ah? mean you pay RM 5 for chicken chop, taste not good using expired ingredients, it's your fault ah?

ok, let talk on your 3rd point.

now the thing is photography deliver but with some of oof photos/bad shot which is not make the taukeh satisfy. may be there are no real mutual calibration between photographer and the taukeh (who pay money for the photographer) upon negotiating the deal, ie:

at position A, 50 shots, all ppl that shake hand with me, no blur and miss shot

at position B, minimum 20 shots, free style

at position C, 5 perfect shot (no mistake in lighting and blur, etc)

at wedding dinner, every table 3 shots, champions visited every table minimum 1 shot (i want wide angle shot), etc

now is not the expire ingredient issue (lens front/back issue, malfunction of the LCD screen, EVF, etc), is more on the photographer skill and technique likewise how the chef to cook the chicken chop, want the chicken chop in lada hitam, spicy, etc that is technique need to tell the photographer if u want shoot this, your setting need to be like this n this. may be the rc just bcos there is no SSS in body or IS in lens, cause blur photos

anyway, too bad today most of new entry hold a dslr, put a flash gun, attach a diffusel, plug a vertical grip, wa look like a pro photographer

er, your post so long - i see no relevance with my 3rd point also.

no matter how you charge, even cheap cheap, you're expected to deliver. Doesn't have to be world class photo but it has to be of decent exposure and focus at least.

Some story here..

I know someone A helped to shoot B's family and baby portrait.
A charged B RM300 and the result is awful!

Talked to my friend C on that set of photo and C said cannot blame A for not doing good job because it depends on the setup, background in the house... What talking wor!? BS..

Talking nonsense ler... exactly like what you mentioned the above. Pay RM5 but taste no good using expired ingredients.. then it's the consumer problem!?

tu lah. many people use "pay peanuts get monkey" phrase. Well, 750 GBP is certainly not peanuts either. If only 50 GBP was paid then I think the phrase still applicable.

See, no matter how is that there is an agreement already. I will pay X sum. You will deliver photos with the agreed sum.

To use that phrase on this case, it's like a sweeping statement to say all photographers who are paid that sum will be lousy, and it's also like an overall defense against the incompetent service provider.

Just because it's cheap doesn't mean you get to produce nonsense. Even road side burgers are cheap but they're decent in taste and quality. At least you still enjoy.

Then the B asked me to shoot for his baby's birthday party..
Being thick skin.. he asked for FOC services from me on this job.

I turned down his invitation la by giving some lame excuse... many would say eh I like your photos la this and that.. then end with statement... "can you help me to shoot for free?"

You think I'm doing charity meh.. IF I wanted to do for free, no need for you to ask me.. I'll offer myself willingly.

call me senang, foc, got time and nearby i shoot free for you -but output not guarantee.

If really close friend, I dun mind shot FOC for them,
but if just once in a blue moon, the fella duno poput from where, suddenly approace: eh, bla bla bla.... can you "help" me shot?
I going to tell them: plz find someone else.... really, I would rather spend the time doing something else.

For some, they will think about: taking picture easy only mah, press shutter gao dim.
If really that simple job, the world would become an easy place to stay

for me, just forget the sum u going to receive. The time u agree to shot, u hold your camera on your hand, look thru viewfinder, ready for pressing shutter button, u hav to deliver proper shot.
Respect to yourself and your camera.

This post has been edited by onghy: Apr 27 2012, 09:01 AM

i think those photographer tat get paid, ego dem high one, hahahahah

I know someone who bought a dslr and direct charge ppl for services. The wedding shot he charged is professional fee but after awhile, he removed his service thing from his blog and still charge RM10 for a portrait shots. He previously charge portrait shot at RM300~RM400++.

Dunno what happen in the middle. Maybe kena XXX by customers already.

Cannot say like that wan... They get paid to shoot.. And have right to say no no if ppl ask for free shoot.

Those ppl ask for free shoot are cheapskate la

yankiat, i dun mean tat la

Hahaha ok ok :swt:

Bump into this thread, when surfing around.

haha, the photo from the link seems very poor, but the link cannot really tell us whether that is the only few fail shot that was taken, it says the photos received include thos poor photo.

Bro wliam, you are right if it is juz a few shots the couple wouldn't make such a big fuss. But thre was a smilar incident where this photographer wrote to Gary Fong for advise, Gary Fong browse through the photo notice most of the photo looks good only a few crap shot, but the photographer was being sued.


Anyway, for me it is the photographer responsibility to screen through and filter the photos before handing over the end product. So, photographer have to be smart, not giving obvious chances to those fussy and troublemaker to pick on you.

thread came back from the dead =.=

wedding photography sounds so easy yet its so simple to screw it up. moral of the story, dont get into this business if ur not serious. nanti carik masalah only

Wedding Photography is not a field to mess around. If you not serious enough for it, please don' shoot for your cust. Even you confidence enough than ask some acc u for first few wedding. I do shoot quite number of wedding, each time I will feel cold sweat due I affraid I screw their moment ..

To me both sides are at fault.

The client should research the credibility of their soon-to-be Photographer for their special day. Pricing does not justify the quality of service. Price wise it's different from people to people due to different cost of living. Some "big" photographers charge more to accommodate for their studio, employers, bills and profit to expand their business. Some can deliver quality photographs (even better in some cases) with low pricing since they don't have to bear these costs, due to being young and still living with their parents. Price wise, service pricing is very subjective.

Thats why I always encourage both sides meet up and sit-down before making any deals. Ask them to bring their printed port-folio, ask them to see coverage for ONE whole wedding. Some photographers mask up their mistakes by compiling other weddings into one album. Check their work consistency. Review their contract. If you're happy with the photographer then sign the deal. By doing this will avoid unwanted thing and both will be happy.

This post has been edited by MR.Shiney: Oct 19 2012, 05:19 PM

Had my brother's wedding shots processed by the photographer and saw it was over PSed! Grrr.

Also, many times, I shot FOC as the secondary photog, as my hengtai only can afford 1 and when they arrived, some only have 50 f1.8 and kit lens and perhaps 70-300! So Mah take out my camera and shoot coz I know my friend kena con Liao.

Later they always say I shots are better. Bahhh