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 AWARENESS, plagarism!

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post Dec 21 2005, 09:54 PM, updated 20y ago

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I was just walking in sg wang a few hours ago and I saw a large amount of designs that are from the internet as well as my friends from certain international forums were used on t shirts. I see it more and more now and I just want to say

"Please do not support plagarism of any sort, please dont plagarise and steal others work from overseas"

I'm not accusing anyone of this but just spreading an awarenes, as i see more and more places that are stealing designs from overseas by the use of internet. This is really a serious problem and I've seen the problem grow more and more. Plagarism is a serious matter and no one should do it and no excuses for such an act.

anyway cheers + peace
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post Dec 21 2005, 11:06 PM

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actually this awareness is aimed towards designers only. Sorry i didnt make it clearer earlier. As designers have the social responsiblity of not allowing and spreading plagarism, whether the market wants it or not. I believe you can still create good and attractive designs to sell without plagarising just because the market is demand. If not then we would give in to everything that consumers want and it also gives excuses to some designers to make a quick buck.
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post Apr 27 2006, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(dinodog_Jr @ Apr 26 2006, 11:57 PM)
We cannot blame on ppl "stealing or copying" arts. Ironically, majority of us do this too in this widen net-sphere.

However when someone deny their acts, it will start to let me look down on dat fellow.
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We cannot blame people on stealing or copying other peoples works? Really, I have to say that is by far the most unintelligent reply I've seen so far. If your a designer, how can any company or designer respect you for saying such brainless comment. What your saying is since so many people do it, its ok to do it and because a fellow admits he copies other peoples works it justifys his act of copying/plagarism?

I would well advise all designers here at lowyat.net.forum to carefully think about copying or plagarism as this is a highly unethical action and you will not make it far or be respected with that kind of mentality. If people in your college are copying/plagarising and steal other peoples work from the internet then expose them and embarass them, if you dont you are no different from the people who keep quiet when someone cuts queue at a taxi stand.


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post Apr 27 2006, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(dinodog_Jr @ Apr 27 2006, 03:21 PM)
hey Mr. Nada. Pls read again the sentence der is a "............................". Perhaps my description word is a harsh & directly. Remind again the " ...

I felt u always aggressive over any one replies.. Pls check on ur egonistic attitude. it will do u good for future prospect.

U need to improve the way u advise on ppl. You need to apologize.

Moreover, a well-thought person will neva judge someone intelligent instead of improving them wif a good manner.
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Dear dinodog_jr, I'm not advising your or giving your constructive criticism, what I'm saying is a statement. You want me to care about feelings when your saying its ok to rip-off others work as long as you are humble about it (read your earlier post about being a "humble copycat") Your description was neither harsh or direct, infact it only had content that was unethical and with words like "be a humble copy-cat", I can clearly see support the act of plagarism/copying. If you believe the act of copying/plagarism is correct eventhough your humble about it please tell me so.

I might be frank and rude, but I do not try to make excuses of justifying that plagarism and copying is ok because lots of people are doing it. As said earlier, you might as well say it is also ok to cut queue, as long as you dont get caught and you arent rude, since alot of people are doing it.
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post May 21 2006, 10:37 AM

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http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/30480544/

here is a clear e.g. of someone ripping off other peoples pictures in DA.

He even used it as his own work and passed it off in a competition without notifying the photographers. Only when he posted it in Deviantart did he choose to send a letter to the various photographers whose photographs he used.

I send him a message asking whether he gained permission of the copyright pictures for usage, and he clearly replied "due to the timing and circumstance i did not have a chance to request permission for the final 12 photos used here. i had previously considered over 300+ other photos from deviantart fashion photography before finalizing on these 12, and did not have the resource to request permission for all 300+ and confirm which ones were ok to use before my assignment was due.

however to take responsibility, i posted the work here and messaged every single photographer whose work appears. so far some of them like it, one has chided me for not asking but has not asked me to remove it, and the rest have not replied me[/i]."

I replied with "[i]As a final year student and a design student you should know the basic courtesy of asking permission of usage of photos, you are sadly mistaken to use DA as a place for stock photos. Everybody knows you have to get permission for photos for using them especially if they are not stock photos.

Whether due to timing or circumstances please understand it clearly disrespectful and can be considered downright immoral to use people's work without asking and you are messaging every single photographer who works appear doesn't make it ok. How can you call yourself a designer if you dont even know the simple understanding of referencing and copyright issues? It is people like you who give the industry and designers a bad name, you are lucky if I dont bring this issue to theOneAcademy staff."

This student is from OneAcademy and recently i realise more and more students are using other peoples work without proper referencing or proper permission and copying. Hence this is why I started this topic, its a clear shame la really.

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post May 22 2006, 09:57 PM

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both etsuko and azarimy are correct, it is compulsory for a design institution to teach you about these things and if they do not I would not think they are professional institution.

The problem here and most sad thing is that this student is a graduating student from theONEacademy, and he would be considered my senior and he practises his design in this method. He is an individual who has gone to a good design college who has learn the design elements/principles/pracitise/business and mindset and should know better. As said earlier it is an insult to designers out there really.

I also found 4 - 6 other students who plainly copied other peoples work from the net. I've already stated in the DeviantArt thread that we have here that please do not use the pictures and work there as stock or copy them. I've found countless individuals who have done this and some that were even close friends that I'm very very dissapointed with.

As a 'person' and not just a designer, where is their sense of integrity? How can you even hold your head up high when people pat you on the back for job well done?

Also I realise people are forgiven easily after they are found out they have plagarised others work. We should not be lenient on these people at all, swift action should be taken.

*sigh

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post May 23 2006, 10:19 AM

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With a mentality like that junkieG and StupidKhor you sure wont get far. Our works, our designs is not a multimillion production like a movie or a music album. We are simple designers who earn from our work. If a person is to benefit from you and you are happy that someone uses your work then you are also encouraging that everyone should do it. Can you have the common sense to realise the negative factors outweigh the positive factors by alot?

If you design is 'recognized' by others or you think your famous and your proud that others are stealing your work, than have you thought of the ethical side of it? Where you the person's self integrity if he has any?

Did you see what happen to a local company recently when they were supposedly copying an overseas website? Within 2 hours emails were sent out and practically alot of desigerns know. No matter what anyone says stealing 'copyrighted works' or plagarism it is a wrongful act whether you are 'happy' that someone has stolen your work so that it shows your recognition.

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post May 24 2006, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(junkieG @ May 24 2006, 12:13 AM)
i only copy other peoples style... for example, like those candy button for website

sumtimes, client want me to modified other people website...cant say no to dat or else no jobs...

n'ways i just do whut ever it takes to survive...i dun give a **** bout imitation or plagiarism in my werk wiff client...if u cant find any free particular  stock photos, wut can u do besides stealing from corbis?

in d end of the day, u know who u are...

dats why i said i will be smiling if i see any plagiarism in my previous work...coz it already happend and whut else can u do besides b|tchin around the forum or among ur frens and family?
life goes on, move forward , improvice, learn from ur mistake like how the **** can dis people steal ur "best" "original" artwork?? did u leave the cd's on the floor? or u can it be u terforgot on not to blardy handout ur raw werk to client?

sumtimes we gave mockup/show ur concept or idea to them...yes at this point its veryy50/50 chances u gonna get paid...worst case kena rob...but whut else can u do? just wanna talk and talk without showing ur artwork?

dun know bout u guyz but i must earn more then rm1.3k per month as a designer to support my lifestyle

so just gotta do whut it takes...steal rob snatch print screen alter modified speed time  backup is the art of computer graphic designer in darkside mode
aniways all my words are pointless coz just wanna realease sum tension...cannot sleep for more then 48 hours and my back bone is fu++king hurting!  rclxub.gif

waaaaa since when u can predict my future? demn terer la u...regarding the multimillion dollar production, i'd say, ABUTHEN! who sayz anithing bout not being realistic?! i am being realistic by realising, when my werk is being plagiarize, there is nuthin dat i can do but to smile n thinking how sucky dat person is...

the way i see things now is like u want me to do whut actually?? slap the guy? lol! now dat is kiddies! IF u feel like seriously dun want other people rob ur werk, just go get ur werk "copyright" or "register" and enjoy ur life...i think u think alot but less doin graphix werk

aniways um just curious, since u sayz my mentality wont get me far (am still survivng after 6 years aniway) how much is ur salary now and where do u see urself in 3 years time? nahh....make it 3 weeks ago...

opss! do not answer dat in public ph34r.gif
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Frankly from your reply I can see your a person who thinks only of yourself and not for others. You are a shallow person without morals or ethics, needless to say you might be surving in the industry but with such shallow mentality no one will respect you. You are the type of person who ruins the names of 'designers'. Dude, man if you seriously must know I'm design student who has freelanced for over 2 years and I feel that in Malaysia our industry and designers has alot of potential and future but because of alot of shortsighteness like yours we are held back.

Who says you should just b**** to friends and in forum if someone plagarises your work, who says you have to slap anyone? I reported that designer who plagarised and stole pictures from DA in theOneAcademy and supposedly hes in deep trouble right now. I am strongly against the act of plagarism or copying of any sort. It is degrading and highly immoral and if anyone uses it an excuse that a client wants it than you have no backbone yourself and you've not heard of the term 'dignity' or 'integrity'. Professionalism and maturity are other words lacking in your vocabulary. It also tells me how you deal with situations in other matters. The easiest way is the best because its the shortest way to benefits eventhough you might lose alot of your dignity along the way.

Looking at your mentality alone is a joke. You call yourself a designer and your proud to have survived in the industry for over 6 years and want to compare your paycheck and your future with mine? Get a reality-check my friend and look in the mirror if better yet go read books and improve your vocabulary, grammar and knowledge.

This post has been edited by nada-: May 24 2006, 01:37 AM
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post May 26 2006, 08:25 PM

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X.E.D

So because there is no 'original' ideas of today are you accepting the act of plagarism? So are you trying to state nothing is original nowadays, hence plagarism is a normal act and should be accepted? I'm not assuming things I'm asking it. Your so good at proof reading did you miss out these parts?

QUOTE(junkieG @ May 24 2006, 12:13 AM)
life goes on, move forward , improvice, learn from ur mistake like how the **** can dis people steal ur "best" "original" artwork?? did u leave the cd's on the floor? or u can it be u terforgot on not to blardy handout ur raw werk to client?

sumtimes we gave mockup/show ur concept or idea to them...yes at this point its veryy50/50 chances u gonna get paid...worst case kena rob...but whut else can u do? just wanna talk and talk without showing ur artwork?

so just gotta do whut it takes...steal rob snatch print screen alter modified speed time  backup is the art of computer graphic designer in darkside mode
aniways all my words are pointless coz just wanna realease sum tension...cannot sleep for more then 48 hours and my back bone is fu++king hurting!  rclxub.gif

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He clearly states that he would do whatever for his personal gain including stealing other peoples work for self gain and here your telling me i'm being too sensitive and should look from his perspective? Have we all sunk so low that we lose our own diginity, principles and ethics?You stated it yourself, how many designers can hire a lawyer for copyrighting or plagarism issues? Why would I even need to consider seeing from his narrowminded perspective?

Who is talking about design holders or colour plattes, my goodness. I'm talking about 100% plagarising work and using it as your own or stealing photographs that are copyrighted and dont belong to you. Do you even know the difference of referencing and just plain downright immoral plagarising and because plagarism is happening alot should we accept it because more people are doing it? Do tell me how do you like it if people cut cue in a taxi whilst you been waiting there for half and hour? Hey, it happens alot in Malaysia, maybe we should accept it too.

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post May 26 2006, 08:36 PM

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closing this thread because I find it going nowhere and the whole awareness discussion has become somewhat of a joke.

Good luck to you all and good day
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