i think that is fitting, need adjustment.n i think things will sort out for production. This newly design latch used by prtn, n 1st in prtn after study some conti's, n vw used the same design.

When u receive the car, inspect everything n mark on the form on any nigling probs so that they can rectify it, even any paint scratch. N test also the wiper so that if get a wiper with bad rubber, u can get replacement if note it in the form coz when u sign without any remarks, the things is subject to wear n tear is not underwarranty. And do take a spin first before signing it to check is there any faulty tyre n etc. Remember also to check battery connectors.

for waja, i dont know, but for others product, its the same as long as its develop from ground from prtn. In case mitsu, its rebadge, so, need to localised. Localised means as long as even foreign co has its subs in our country, so, its local.

For preve, its the same, nothing change. Its normal if, i said if, is there any nigling probs, it will be rectify, so, 1st batch will be get replacement part, the other batch come with new part. Same practice across any manufacturer.

not kije prtn lor...just from chatting with some of them.

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Added on April 20, 2012, 8:56 amfrom what i heard, the multilink system is diff, design by prtn, is like ford blade design, unique for ford. Not just merely tuning, and also engineering n designing. Not the same as waja, persona n etc. Thats why u can get enourmous boot with not so long wheel base as jetta.



This post has been edited by mat79: Apr 20 2012, 08:56 AM

they mentioned they did design the braking systems with trw, a newly develop on hba. Yup, there are some cars using hba, but its diff in preve. Its like cps n vtec. Generally same concept, but execution, design n engineering, diff. Thats why lotus patent it.

Whether already send it for patent, i dunno, they just mentioned they patent it.(maybe already or maybe will)

about steering, yup correct way is 9 n 3 oclock position. On that, its actually the same, just put ur thum on the upper part of the spoke, others behind the spoke, thats the correct way, not actually grabbing ur other 4 finggers around the column. Thats why paddle shift is there. Shud take a look at vw golf paddle shift, its the same design(design only), not bash me.

actually, its really hard to wheel spin during take off coz traction control will interefere if its sense any slipping of the tyres. but still can have a spin, but short one. It is one involve of braking system(it doesnt mean u need to push the brake pedal).

While launch control is diff. It is on engine controlling system. Sometimes, using launch cntrol can damage the engine, while traction control is not.

Esp also diff thing. Esp n tc n abs work in tandeem when a car is moving, while during launch from stagnant, only tc n abs involve.

Yup, techs are complicated, but hey, as long for good things, why not.

actually, its really hard to wheel spin during take off coz traction control will interefere if its sense any slipping of the tyres. but still can have a spin, but short one. It is one involve of braking system(it doesnt mean u need to push the brake pedal).

While launch control is diff. It is on engine controlling system. Sometimes, using launch cntrol can damage the engine, while traction control is not.

Esp also diff thing. Esp n tc n abs work in tandeem when a car is moving, while during launch from stagnant, only tc n abs involve.

Yup, techs are complicated, but hey, as long for good things, why not.

If u understand how clutch based cvt operated, how dbw operated n how traction control operated, it will be a better drive.

Even dont understand,on traffic light drag, it doesnt mean its slow. Just few meters only, then, it will catch up or even outpace some.

Maybe some one can test side by side example civic fd 1.8, forte 2.0 400 meters drag to see how far preve is loosing. i know preve will lost badly :-) :-) :-).

Try in d mode n s mode to see how bad is preve loosing to those mentioned above in both mode :-) :-) :-)

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Added on April 20, 2012, 10:26 amits already simplify coz im a layman oso la:-):-).

This post has been edited by mat79: Apr 20 2012, 10:26 AM

malaysian, no matter what u do for living, and who are u, but when come to the accident, everybody is the same, everybody become the investigating officer - harith iskandar, lawak ke der :-), nice show in istana budaya, ha...ha...

lower arm n tie rod broken. Driving 120kmh, not hitting 120kmh. And mr hezeri samsuri is outsider, new top gear malaysia editor, previously with cars,bikes,n trucks. Ex news paper journo, auto journo. And now, top guy at top gear malaysia.

Dont think he wants to spoil his rep by selling untrue story. He is at stake dont u think :-).

So, drive it to believe it.

bugging my friend again, me asking about the weld n he didnt notice that what i asking about has a hole. He said maybe some showroom cars are pre prod units to save cost coz the things is hidden. He shock that people are noticing that. Normally they will fill the gap with filler wire/metal. This filler wire/metal just for touchup only, cosmetic, but the plasma weld is make it strong.

He said, the same thing as in waja, wira, n ask me whether notice or not waja also use door sash, also weld, but not using plasma during that time, but with filler wire oso. It will be no gap. So, dont worry he said. Yup, upon checking the waja, yup, no gap coz cover with filler wire.

About rumours on crossmember problem, i can confirm its wrong coz crossmember using hpf, n the machine is own by prtn, not vendors.
Hydroforming subframe oso no probs coz same as exora, only being reinforced by hpf.

not selling pre prod unit of course, only some used as display coz to save cost. N he mentioned that for that hidden part, never occur in their mind that malaysian is really inspecting until that part. :-). Ha..ha..next time prtn knowsla, people will inspect until under the car.

So, i think its enough info i that i gathered i share, preve already launch. Many have test driven it. So, i believe we shudnt be shy, just continue comments on pros n cons.

But if can, if u hate the G or dissatisfied with G, can u all please stop Blamming Prtn coz i think n i believe, protonians dont involve in politics, they work hard i believe. Every co has a rule which u need to abide the owners and shareholders...can doing proposal, trying to persuade but the decission are theirs'.

So, really nice knowing u guys. Luv sharing with u guys n also learn a lot from u guys. Until next time. When i have newer info on the hatch n global small car project which planning to debut next year. By the way, if not mistaken flx se manual already out for booking, rm46,899k. Overshadow by preve. Sorry off topic.

im not datuk, even not that old :-). Just a layman sharing thought n unfo. Sorry appear back. Erm, for ecu stting, being informed, this one across all manufacturers, its been tune to be balance, interm of reliability, fuel consumption, performance and safety. Everything has been taken into account. I think its not that hard to familiarise with cvt characteristics, same as changing from manual to auto.

But doesnt mean it cant be set for performance. Do u think merc@beemer pwrtrain is dumb allowing tuners to supress them? Nope actually. Just the purpose is diff. Tuners more towards performance. Fc n even emmisison is not their priority.

Salam.

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Added on April 21, 2012, 1:45 amim not datuk, even not that old :-). Just a layman sharing thought n unfo. Sorry appear back. Erm, for ecu stting, being informed, this one across all manufacturers, its been tune to be balance, interm of reliability, fuel consumption, performance and safety. Everything has been taken into account. I think its not that hard to familiarise with cvt characteristics, same as changing from manual to auto.

But doesnt mean it cant be set for performance. Do u think merc@beemer pwrtrain is dumb allowing tuners to supress them? Nope actually. Just the purpose is diff. Tuners more towards performance. Fc n even emmisison is not their priority.

If have time, thinking of going to cherating next week. Sleepy mode.

Salam.

This post has been edited by mat79: Apr 21 2012, 01:45 AM

im back for a while. Im nobody guys, just normal person like all of u. Erm, just sharing a little info on wheel allignment. When u go out for allignment, make sure go for reputable shop that dont ask u to adjust chamber setting. Any car wont come with chamber adjustment coz its fix. Normally for track purposes then u have chamber adjustment.

For proton, chamber is set negative within tolerence. Why u get too negative or positive chamber coz they used wrong software not suitable for the car. Example used wira setting for gen2. Every car has diff chamber setting. To get accurate need to use program specific to the car.

So,if can, go for proton own branch sc that provide allignment service.yup, they charge u around 35 for front, 55 for both(applicable if rear is independant, if torsion beam, only front part).

But outside, it seems cheaper, used diff setting, then they ask u for chamber nut, n charge separately alligment n chamber adjustment n u end up paying higher.

If u want to go outside, just ask them to adjust toe only. Adjust left n right toe 0, and total toe 0, then u will be fine.

The chamber adjustment supposed to on top mount of suspension. Example in prtn, ohlin suspension for neo lotus racing.

Doing adjustment on chamber using nuts can cause unwanted problems such knocking sound, out of suspension geometri settings, steering weight adjustment ruin n even can cause steering problems, brakes, absorber n etc. this is because, u r forcing the all related to suspension to be set positive@neutral. While the absorber that come with chamber adjustment, u adjust the absorber to the new chamber setting in natural way, where the nuts forcing the fix absorber to be bend in or out.
So, becareful guys. Remember,just need toe adjustment so that there wont be any toe in or toe out.

Off again. cherating is a nice place rite for relaxing n driving.

Off now.

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Added on April 21, 2012, 10:06 pmim back for a while. Im nobody guys, just normal person like all of u. Erm, just sharing a little info on wheel allignment. When u go out for allignment, make sure go for reputable shop that dont ask u to adjust chamber setting. Any car wont come with chamber adjustment coz its fix. Normally for track purposes then u have chamber adjustment.

For proton, chamber is set negative within tolerence. Why u get too negative or positive chamber coz they used wrong software not suitable for the car. Example used wira setting for gen2. Every car has diff chamber setting. To get accurate need to use program specific to the car.

So,if can, go for proton own branch sc that provide allignment service.yup, they charge u around 35 for front, 55 for both(applicable if rear is independant, if torsion beam, only front part).

But outside, it seems cheaper, used diff setting, then they ask u for chamber nut, n charge separately alligment n chamber adjustment n u end up paying higher.

If u want to go outside, just ask them to adjust toe only. Adjust left n right toe 0, and total toe 0, then u will be fine.

The chamber adjustment supposed to on top mount of suspension. Example in prtn, ohlin suspension for neo lotus racing.

Doing adjustment on chamber using nuts can cause unwanted problems such knocking sound, out of suspension geometri settings, steering weight adjustment ruin n even can cause steering problems, brakes, absorber n etc. this is because, u r forcing the all related to suspension to be set positive@neutral. While the absorber that come with chamber adjustment, u adjust the absorber to the new chamber setting in natural way, where the nuts forcing the fix absorber to be bend in or out.
So, becareful guys. Remember,just need toe adjustment so that there wont be any toe in or toe out.

Off again. cherating is a nice place rite for relaxing n driving.

Off now.

This post has been edited by mat79: Apr 21 2012, 10:06 PM

For prtn sc, go to proton edar websites, under aftersales service, service centre, then follow the instruction. After given extensive list nearest to ur area, just noted the proton edar, phone them n asking whether they have allignment n balancing service. Hq of courselah. If still far, go to eon then. The authorised dealers normally dont have.

dont ever wrap the seat with leather unless from reputable n skill cushion shop coz the side airbags are on the seat itself. For executive line, no prob.