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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Carling Cup Winner,FA Cup Runner Up 2012

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post Apr 22 2012, 10:22 PM

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Gerrard apparently has a hamstring tweak.
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post Apr 22 2012, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 22 2012, 10:31 PM)
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BBC:

The general Twitter buzz on Steven Gerrard's absence from the Liverpool 18 appears to be that he has suffered a hamstring tweak. Still awaiting official confirmation.


Added on April 22, 2012, 10:46 pmThis Is Anfield ‏ @thisisanfield
Right, calm down kids. Apparently Sterling has an exam tomorrow morning!


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post Apr 22 2012, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(love.beginner @ Apr 22 2012, 11:21 PM)
looks like a dive from maxi    sweat.gif
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It was.

Come on Maxi, you're better than that.
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post Apr 22 2012, 11:34 PM

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Come on boys. We need to make the possession and chances count.

WBA already has two shots on target .. creating better chances than us.
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post Apr 22 2012, 11:45 PM

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Alot of the ball, not penetrative enough, no goals .. we're like Barcelona in the last two games.
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post Apr 22 2012, 11:54 PM

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Not creating clear cut chances is our problem.

Don't really look like creating anything, let alone score a goal.
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post Apr 23 2012, 12:07 AM

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What kind of luck is this?

Other teams have the ball hit the keeper and go in.
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post Apr 23 2012, 12:11 AM

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Amazing play by Luis.
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post Apr 23 2012, 12:25 AM

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W.T.F ...
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post Apr 23 2012, 12:32 AM

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Same shit, different day.

Dominate possession, corners, shots .. opponents get that one chance and scores.
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post Apr 23 2012, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Apr 23 2012, 12:34 AM)
we need to move to a new ground.
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I think so too.

Anfield is cursed.
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post Apr 23 2012, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(seizer @ Apr 23 2012, 12:41 AM)
unbelivable.... cannot find what is wrong with the team
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Same.

I think the team/club/stadium are cursed.

Same shit, different day, different season.
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post Apr 23 2012, 12:45 AM

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So freaking glad the FA Cup final is not at Anfield.
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post Apr 23 2012, 12:50 AM

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How the fck does this keep on happening?

We dominate teams every single time and yeah, maybe the chances created are not as clear cut as others but why is it that they always score from their only shot on target?
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post Apr 23 2012, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 23 2012, 01:04 AM)
Henderson had a decent game actually. The problem, as usual, is the lack of confidence in front of the goal. The longer we wait to score, the more confident the visitor becomes. The frontline lost this game imo.
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The players tried. We can't say they didn't but wtf do they need to do to score a goal??? And you can't blame the manager when the players are the ones missing easy opportunities sad.gif
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post Apr 23 2012, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(elnino @ Apr 23 2012, 01:11 AM)
Woy brought in poulsen, konchesky n meireles. Total money wasted? A few millions on the first two. KD? henderson, adam, downing, carroll, suarez. Total money wasted? Over 50million!
And, for those puttting the blame solely on the players on all the missed chances, you're either blind or stupid. This is not the first time we failed to make our chances count, thus clearly KD and his coaching team has failed to address the weakness during training!
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Apr 23 2012, 01:13 AM)
Yes u cant blame the manager for the loss but he has to be answerable n responsible for the results.

Kk cant just sh ow up in post match interbiu n tell thw world it was johnson's fault n strikers shooting blanks which cost liverpool 3 pts. (Eventhough he,'sspot on about that)

Kk has to own it up like a man he is.
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Fair enough, Kenny can be criticised/questioned for his tactics and selection of first eleven but the thing is, we are not playing badly.

We've got possession, we've got half chances, we've got corners, we've dominated alot of teams but it stops there. We need to score goals.

And as always the case why does it take the opposition one chance in the half to score goal but we've gone 30 shots without one? Could luck not have given us a 0-0 at least.
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post Apr 23 2012, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Apr 23 2012, 01:23 AM)
Man, just how much I missed the 08/09 team where we fought back few times from behind to win the games.]

It's all about determination and characters... Something lacking in the current team. Bellamy moans the very moment he get fouled.Moans every single time. Suarez and his frustration at times drag the team down. sweat.gif
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True but who wouldn't feel frustrated when you've dominated practically the whole game, just like in so many other games this season, only for the opposition to score with their only shot on goal in the half, just like every other gmae this season?!!

What kind of shit is that!!
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post Apr 23 2012, 01:46 AM

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I blame Kenny .....


.. for not lacing up his boots and putting himself on to play up front.
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post Apr 23 2012, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Apr 23 2012, 07:01 AM)
Just because you dominated possession and everything else in the game does not mean you deserve to win the game. Take the Barcelona vs Chelsea game for example. In the end, the goals are the main factor in the game. You score, you win. Doesn't matter how long you hog the ball. If you fail to score, it means you're not better than the team who's had so little on the ball but walked away with the 3 points.
And I'm getting tired of this "luck" crap. Been hearing a lot this season.......

But you know, I really feel for Kenny. I know he cares a lot about this club but it seems like his tactics aren't working as well as he'd hope it would be at the club. Anyways, chill a bit guys. The end of season is nigh. I think Kenny and the owners will make the right decisions for the sake of the club. Based on his post-match interview, I think he knows about this. If he leaves, he leaves with pride and dignity, knowing that he had the chance to manage one of the greatest team in the world, and his beloved team, Liverpool. Also, we all knew BPL was already over for us since the last few games. Till then, YNWA and long live the KING! smile.gif
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Definitely. It's the number of goals that matter. Dominating possession and creating alot of chances may not mean you deserve to win but you should and it gives good indication for the future games. I'll gladly take 1-0 wins from one shot on goal and the opponents having 100 shots and 95% posession but it's not exactly a good indication for the next game, is it?

Maybe Kenny has signed the wrong players, maybe he hasn't set up the best formation every game but the team isn't playing shite, we're creating more chances than the opposition and that has probably happened 75% of the league campaign. How can the tactics not be working but the team musters 10x more shots than the opposition?

Isn't that what every fan wants to see? To see the team play well, create chances and to score goals and win games.You can't say 'his tactics are not working because we are not scoring' cause I really fail to see how the failure of Suarez to score a goal or Henderson deciding to bring his bar hitting skills into the game is becuase of the manager.

I know I've said there are many games we deserved to have collected many more points but I've also said before 'whether it is deserved or not, is now irrelevant in football' but the point is, I would be much more worried if we are not holding the ball and not creating chances at all. That happened under Roy where we were played in all areas over the park.

Now, seeing the team in this situation, I'm wondering all those who wanted Rafa sack are feeling. One bad season and everyone called for our best manager in the last 20 years to be sacked. Next time, becareful what you wish for.

QUOTE(liverpool red @ Apr 23 2012, 07:09 AM)
Just read the interview, KD is lfc in and out, anyone who has watched him play and read his book would know that, as much as the current form hurts us, I'm darn sure it hurts him even more. Sad to see the team lacking in one department which is very obvious, that's mentally.

True enough what was mentioned earlier that everytime Bellamy gets fouled, he has foul words, Suarez also complains too much but at least he tries real hard. Maybe the club needs a new sports psychologist? Someone who can inject that winning mentally into the players and make them as hard as steel. Not lose the plot as often as they did this season. Oh well that's just my two cents worth.

And lastly why are players like sterling still not given playing time?! He is one young prospect who gave me some sense of hope for the future.
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Maybe winning mentality will come when we actually start winning games convincingly!! And the problem lies with the lack of a goalscorer. Suarez and Bellamy may get frustrated alot but at least the care. Too often we've seen Torres just sulk and lay on the ground.

As for Sterling, I heard he has an exam today so that's why he was left out but I'm not sure if that was true.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 23 2012, 07:13 AM)
We have no consistent prolific goal scorer since Torres left.
Add to that, we have no goals from midfielders.
i think this season, bar Stevie, the defenders have outscored the midfielders


Added on April 23, 2012, 7:22 amKeegan, Rush, Dalglish, Owen, Fowler, - what do these have in common apart from goals?
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That's the problem. The team isn't playing horribly like under Roy. We're creating chances but just not converting them. Suarez is our top scorer with 8 goals and that's pathetically low. RVP himself has 27.

Also, Papiss Cisse has scored more goals than Henderson, Adam, Downing, Kuyt and Maxi put together. Our strikers are misfiring but this isn't helped by the lack of goals from midfielders as well!

Keegan, Rush, Dalglish, Owen and Fowler ... they are British? XD
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post Apr 23 2012, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 23 2012, 08:53 AM)
Cisse is a revelation.

The point i am trying to make is the above strikers KNOW instinctively where the goalmouth is,
and how to get into those goal scoring pisitions.
Our present set of players do not.
Suarex flashed two crosses in the 6yd box....no one near there to convert.
Our midfielders do not have goals in their boots.

Heck they hardly venture into the box!

Last note i happen to watch the Masters game between Liv vs Manc.
Watch how Robbie sneaks into the box and finishes with panache....aaaahhhhh those were the days
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Yes, we have definitely missed an out an out goalscorer. Carroll is supposedly that player but in my opinion, I can't see it happening. We need someone like Rush/Fowler/Torres.


QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 23 2012, 08:56 AM)
now, look closely to the choice of words KD has said the pass days.

KD praised rafa for the work & people he brought in to the academy. He knows as in any one who are the people who has LFc close to their hearts. I guess we have to acknowledge some people has a vision & contacts.

What lies ahead is unknown. What choice the owners of Lfc take is unknown, but  if for the interest of LFc, KD is willing to do anything for the sake of the club.

Firstly, I like how we are playing (pass n move), its good for the eye. Of course we aren't nicking goals. I'm no manager, nor equipped with words to describe how to dictate play like some of you guys.

I've a little criticism that we aren't adaptive in our approach to slay our opponents.
KD hasn't been able to sub in someone or tinker tactically.

In honesty, gien the way we play, fast & hectic, we are probably only missing 'link' midfielder are the 'final provider', a jinking fella pops in & out, almost anonymous to the opposition. which is why Manu is forever unable to replace scoales (yet). Players who aren't able to adapt the hectic pace is probably unable to get the right touch, first touch, to position himself or settle correctly to score. which is why certain players seems ill equipped to KD's pass & move.

Do we need a change in manager after this season? I hope not. I do hope KD gets the right people to connect to dots.

jose mourino ? probably the best manager at the biggest club,... well second richest club in the world. He ain't interested in liverpoolfc anymore, he did mention he was before but not under those circumstances. I don't favour him. 

Going to an unknown 'manager' is probably telling ourselves we are as clueless appointing Uncle Roy.

I hope we resist a change of manager next season. At least not to clueless, visionless manager. We are rebuilding with a good set of academy hoping the right break & nurturing. I'll buy that.
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The team and KD isn't doing alot of wrong. Playing some neat football at times, creating chances but not scoring goals. This isn't helped by the fact we hit the woodwork 30 times in the season!!


QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Apr 23 2012, 09:02 AM)
Yes, continue blaming luck. That's why we'll never win the title.
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Yes. One, two games every 5 is okay to blame on luck but this is a problem but it isn't as though we are not playing well or creating chances. And the major problem is a lack of goalscorer and the midfielders are not helping out in that department either.


QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 23 2012, 09:55 AM)
I still can't wrap myself around how we ended up on the losing end again. We've now hit the post 30 times, the highest tally of any Premier League club since 2000 and the season isn't over yet. I still believe that all we need to do is to keep trying. You don't come closer to scoring a goal than hitting the post. I think it'd take a brave man to say that if we wouldnt have scored more in 9 out of 10 seasons if we replayed the season that many times. Not much more the manager can do than to find ways for us to create chances. Even Suarez for all his ability has been guilty of missing gilt edged opportunities.
If I were to be harsh, I'd say that sacking the manager at this point is a lazy option, and a little near sighted. Not like we've been dominated and outplayed. Like you have said, we have created and played well at home in the majority of our games. We can't expect King Kenny to lace up his boots and put chances away as he did in the old days. We aren't the finished product buy if we keep playing attacking football and dominating the opposition, surely it's just about juggling players around and being more clinical? So let's see what happens during the break. Hmm to think we were linked to Jelavic before he signed for Rangers.
I wouldn't be caught creaming in my pants yet. He did show some energy and nice touches when he last came on but so did Nabil El-Zhar and Mark Gonzalez. He could be found wanting by more experienced defenders after they figure him out.

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Can you imagine if half of those woodwork hits have entered the goal? We'd have 55 goals in the league by now and that is not a bad return and certainly would have won more games.

Kenny needs to address the lack of finisher, maybe a creative central midfielder and two genuine wingers. Maxi, Kuyt, Suarez, Gerrard and Bellamy are not wingers and Downing is no way playing any better despite being the "proper" winger in the squad.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 23 2012, 10:58 AM)
Suarez is not clinical enough.  He should take over Kyut's right side.
We need another Fowler/Owen/Rushie type....any thoughts?

Some we cant afford....Tevez, Aguero,
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Suarez is better as a creator than a striker. He needs a partner but I don't think it's Carroll. Torres would have suited him more. I can't think of any quality strikers we can buy though. Suarez works best when he's allowed to receive the ball and do whatever he wants but he's no way a lone forward and he needs a good partner.


QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Apr 23 2012, 05:49 PM)
and those 2 have prove countless of times can score goals...and not to forget kuyt as well


Added on April 23, 2012, 5:51 pm

1 more thing..carrol score one goal..KD was so delighted praising him..cmon man..we payed 35mil for him..thats what he is supposed to do..and remember maxi?? we pay nothing for him..sign him for free transfer..he score 2 goals for us against blackburn..KD never even mention him at all  mad.gif  mad.gif ..he is bias, thats what i think..
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But Maxi and Kuyt are no way the quality that Madrid has, though!! They could afford to keep Higuain on the bench!! And that's with Ronaldo, Benzema and Ozil playing their front 3!!

Well, maybe KD just didn't publicly praise Maxi because I'd assume the question he gets put at would be like 'What do you think of Andy today?' but I remember him smiling and giving Maxi the thumbs up when Maxi scored a hat trick last season.


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