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TStiensong
post Apr 16 2012, 11:52 AM, updated 14y ago

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Hi,

I am using Paradox alarm system SP5500 (if not mistaken...I forgot which model...I am a customer of Winson)..

I was told by winson that alarm system only can last for 36 hours after electric failure...he even said that all the alarm also the same.... rclxub.gif

But for me, 36 hours is too short because if I go to vacation even for 3 days 2 night, 36 hours is not enough to protect my house...especially during rainy season...the thunder will cause ELCB tripped...

any solution to extend the lasting of alarm system after electric failure?

thanks...

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post Apr 16 2012, 03:32 PM

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Well, if your ELCB tripped than most of time you cant do much except as someone help to turn it ON again. As I didn't see that will be reason for you to have Additional battery just for that...

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post Apr 16 2012, 04:32 PM

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use the SP5500's ability to call you on power failure, the alert a trusted neighbour to switch the ELCB on. otherwise you might want to consider a battery with a higher capacity.
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post Apr 16 2012, 04:33 PM

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Just get another battery to double the back up time. Or get a biger capacity battery. Or use a USP. Or live without alram for a day till you come back.

I have a friend who enjoy loud music with high power amp and large woofers. He has 2 batteries in the car.
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post Apr 16 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Apr 16 2012, 04:33 PM)
Just get another battery to double the back up time. Or get a biger capacity battery. Or use a USP. Or live without alram for a day till you come back.

I have a friend who enjoy loud music with high power amp and large woofers. He has 2 batteries in the car.
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Is it all the alarm system also like that? only 36 hours?
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post Apr 16 2012, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(tiensong @ Apr 16 2012, 04:47 PM)
Is it all the alarm system also like that? only 36 hours?
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Not true. It depends on the system how much energy it takes and not all manufacturers have same spec just like TV, your mobile phone and there are normal batteries and high capacity batteries. If you have a notebook there are notebook that can last up to 10 hrs and yet some only 1 to 2 hrs for 6 cells battery and there are 9 cells battery. As the battery aged just like mobile phone the battery cannot last as long as when it was new. The alram battery life per charge also depends on how many channel are installed and on.

The batteries are not expensive depend on mades and capacities should not be more than RM100 a piece. I bought it for RM55 before another shop quoted RM80 for another brand. Just buy another and connect it side by side. Get your installer to advice how to connect. Wrong connection which double your voltage will burnt your alram system board. These are DC, for example if you connect two dry cell batteries 1.5v and 1.5v you get 3.0v with first battery + to secound battery - connection. My friend car with 2 12V batteries, one in front bonnet and the other at the booth. Both batteries get charged and discharged depending on what is on in the car. When music is play the 2nd battery is discharging.
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post Apr 16 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Apr 16 2012, 10:13 PM)
Not true. It depends on the system how much energy it takes and not all manufacturers have same spec just like TV, your mobile phone and there are normal batteries and high capacity batteries. If you have a notebook there are notebook that can last up to 10 hrs and yet some only 1 to 2 hrs for 6 cells battery and there are 9 cells battery. As the battery aged just like mobile phone the battery cannot last as long as when it was new. The alram battery life per charge also depends on how many channel are installed and on.

The batteries are not expensive depend on mades and capacities should not be more than RM100 a piece. I bought it for RM55 before another shop quoted RM80 for another brand. Just buy another and connect it side by side. Get your installer to advice how to connect. Wrong connection which double your voltage will burnt your alram system board. These are DC, for example if you connect two dry cell batteries 1.5v and 1.5v you get 3.0v with first battery + to secound battery - connection. My friend car with 2 12V batteries, one in front bonnet and the other at the booth. Both batteries get charged and discharged depending on what is on in the car. When music is play the 2nd battery is discharging.
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very appreciate ur explanation & advices


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post Apr 17 2012, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(tiensong @ Apr 16 2012, 11:14 PM)
very appreciate ur explanation & advices
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You are welcome. Here is the extract:

INCREASING CAPACITY THROUGH SERIES AND PARALLEL CONNECTIONS
What is the difference between series battery connections and parallel battery connections and how do they increase battery capacity and voltage?

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In the SERIES CONNECTION, batteries of like voltage and Amp-Hour capacity are connected to increase the Voltage of the bank. The positive terminal of the first battery is connected to the negative terminal of the second battery and so on, until the desired voltage is reached. The final Voltage is the sum of all battery voltages added together while the final Amp-Hours remains unchanged. The bank's Voltage increases while its Amp-Hours, Cranking Performance and Reserve Capacity remain unchanged.

In the PARALLEL CONNECTION, batteries of like voltages and capacities are connected to increase the capacity of the bank. The positive terminals of all batteries are connected together, or to a common conductor, and all negative terminals are connected in the same manner. The final voltage remains unchanged while the capacity of the bank is the sum of the capacities of the individual batteries of this connection. Amp-Hours Cranking Performance and Reserve Capacity increases while Voltage does not.
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Added on April 17, 2012, 9:28 amWhat you can do is in the Parellel Connection you just get two wires connect your new battery to the existing battery like in the diagram. Same like when you jump start a car, + to +, - to -. It is so simple. Both battery will receive charge and discharge when in operation.

If you connect in series your alram board will burn.

Swtich off the main power supply to the alram system before you do the connection yourself to be on the safe side. Dont touch with your bear hand anything look like a fire craker, if any. These are capacitors and it stores some current might hurt you eventhough the power is off. only a shock you wont die. Use test pen to touch and discharge first anything you want to touch.

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post Apr 17 2012, 10:32 AM

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I think your approach is all wrong. If your ELCB trips frequently and easily, you should be rectifying that issue first.

Vacation 2-3 days. Solve = bigger capacity battery. Does that mean your trips is always limited to 2-3 days only? What if you go overseas ie. Europe/US/etc. Next you're gonna say you want a battery that can last 2 weeks. Makes no sense.
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post Apr 17 2012, 10:37 AM

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The battery issue is only a temp solution. The problem of ELCB trips has to be rectified. Something is really wrong and it is dangerous.
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post Apr 17 2012, 03:54 PM

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better rectified the elcb trip lu rather than buying extra battery and you got limited space to hide the extra battery inside the paradox panel box. battery mostly got lifespan so you gonna change them every 1.5 years for example?

frequent elcb trip will highly chances to spoil your alarm panel board.

 

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