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post Apr 7 2012, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Apr 7 2012, 01:05 AM)
You need. And you need to demolished the ground floor as well if not the whole house. The house foundation is meant for one storey or double storey. adding another storey the original foundation and footing cannot take the added weight. One day when you think it is an earthquake it is your house foundation sinking!!! be very careful. No developer/contractor will build more than what is required by a lot more but 20% more only for safety reason.
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hmm... but i see a lot of house actually build another full story above their existing story. Anyhoos~ thanks for answering my question
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post Apr 7 2012, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(rubrubrub @ Apr 7 2012, 01:14 AM)
hmm... but i see a lot of house actually build another full story above their existing story. Anyhoos~ thanks for answering my question
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You are welcome.

You can safely build another storey usually but be very careful. For example if you build a wall sitting on top of the middle of the floor of the 1st floor (or the middle of the ground floor ceiling), the floor/ceiling might not take the added weight that it is not meant to be. Not only due to the weight of the new wall but also anything you put on top the new wall (that include the new floor/the attic and roof that built on top of this new wall). Meaning the middle of the floor/ceiling mentioned has to take half, if not almost the entire new floor weight stress. You dont simply go and get any reno contractor to do this.
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post Apr 7 2012, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(rubrubrub @ Apr 7 2012, 12:40 AM)
what about building another story that doesn't extend beyond the house line. do i need permit for that?
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This, in some area you can do it. MPSJ, i highly doubt. If you raised from 2 to 3 in mpsj, be ready to get stop order.
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post Apr 7 2012, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(rubrubrub @ Apr 7 2012, 01:14 AM)
hmm... but i see a lot of house actually build another full story above their existing story. Anyhoos~ thanks for answering my question
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Usually takes a year + at the fastest to get this sort of approval. The plans submitted will have to be from an engineer and must be complete with new pillars to bear additional load, ground footings, ground & ceiling beams, etc... The whole process would easily set you back RM15k just for the approvals.

Saw one house in TTDI, approval only received 2 years after initial submission.
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post Apr 8 2012, 03:08 AM

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unless you bought a single storey house, dont ever waste time and money for double storey. Just extend front and back.

If single storey submit a totally new double house by tearing the old shuld get you the approval faster. And this apply to standalone house. Semi D may take longer time and if linked house, susah la.

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post May 22 2012, 11:49 PM

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Hi.
I would like to ask. Currently my house is doing kitchen extension renovation. I bought the standard floor plan from MBPJ. according to the floor plan the max wet kitchen I can extent is 10 feet. Currently my contractor extended it to the edge of the land so is about 10feet 4 inches. By right is only 10 feet according the Plan and I see all my neighbors extent to exactly 10 feet.

So will I get in trouble with MBPJ?
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post May 23 2012, 07:36 AM

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QUOTE(alxdc @ May 22 2012, 11:49 PM)
Hi.
I would like to ask. Currently my house is doing kitchen extension renovation. I bought the standard floor plan from MBPJ. according to the floor plan the max wet kitchen I can extent is 10 feet. Currently my contractor extended it to the edge of the land so is about 10feet 4 inches. By right is only 10 feet according the Plan and I see all my neighbors extent to exactly 10 feet.

So will I get in trouble with MBPJ?
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No you won't. Don't worry.
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post May 23 2012, 09:38 AM

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As long didn't have any issues after build that you are safe, as they will indicated your didn't follow the plan and in trouble...

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post May 23 2012, 10:43 AM

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if illegal extension and people complains, your extension will be torn off
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post May 23 2012, 10:53 AM

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thanks for the replies...
just checked today is 10 1/2 feet.
extra 1/2 feet...

really hope that i wont get into trouble. if to redo again. its going to cost allot of money and i;m already out of budget.
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post May 23 2012, 10:54 AM

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as long as no people complain its fine lar
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post May 23 2012, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(alxdc @ May 23 2012, 10:53 AM)
thanks for the replies...
just checked today is 10 1/2 feet.
extra 1/2 feet...

really hope that i wont get into trouble. if to redo again. its going to cost allot of money and i;m already out of budget.
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Why you contract make it different then other? will this be more risky???

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post May 23 2012, 02:30 PM

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it was a mistake by the contractor. he didnt read the plan and he has been renovating kitchen extension for many houses and didnt encounter about this problem. basically, he didnt realise this rule exits.
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post May 25 2012, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(alxdc @ May 23 2012, 02:30 PM)
it was a mistake by the contractor. he didnt read the plan and he has been renovating kitchen extension for many houses and didnt encounter about this problem. basically, he didnt realise this rule exits.
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Good Excuse...but when he do the task he sure noticed the house is not same level at other, rights?
ANywhere, guess two word to you "Good Luck", as you cant do much now...

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post May 25 2012, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ May 25 2012, 11:31 AM)
Good Excuse...but when he do the task he sure noticed the house is not same level at other, rights?
ANywhere, guess two word to you "Good Luck", as you cant do much now...
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I see other roll houses. Some of them did extend to the edge like mine and some not. So I guess is not a big issues. I hope.

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post May 25 2012, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(alxdc @ May 25 2012, 06:01 PM)
I see other roll houses. Some of them did extend to the edge like mine and some not. So I guess is not a big issues. I hope.
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It is an issue but not a big issue like they want you to tear down the extension. They just ask you to pay fine. Paying fine you will be fine. Keep the receipt in case they come again after some years. Cheers
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post May 26 2012, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ May 25 2012, 11:32 PM)
It is an issue but not a big issue like they want you to tear down the extension. They just ask you to pay fine. Paying fine you will be fine. Keep the receipt in case they come again after some years. Cheers
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IC thanks. Er... Anyone experience this before? How much is the fine?
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post May 26 2012, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(alxdc @ May 26 2012, 12:48 AM)
IC thanks. Er... Anyone experience this before? How much is the fine?
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As far as I know no one has been fine for this little extra extension. My neighbor was fine RM1000 for reno without permit but he paid RM1500 to the runner. RM500 goes to the runner.

This is no a crime, dont worry. It is just like a traffic offence like parking fine from the local government. They wont fine you for paying a parking ticket and your car is park a little outside the box for example. So when you have permit/approval you need not worry. Just go and sleep. They dont come to your house to check one. they go after those who reno with no submission of plan.

Unless someone go to your back lane doing some service and your house that little extension get in the way to thier work so badly that the extension go beyong the drain or that littel backlane road that they cannot move things in and they go and complain (giving excuses) to local government when they did not do a good job or finished their job in time. You have neighbor with similar extension so my guess is there is nothing to worry. Worst just pay RM1k fine. If your backlane is directly to the drain do not cover the drain, you are inviting problem. Workers need to clean the drain from time to time. And not to get attention or attracting troble clear your backlane. Dont throw big unwanted items there.
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post May 26 2012, 12:47 PM

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i dont know about your extension. but where i stay in PJ the MBPJ guys are pretty strict with the rules. they came to double check on my extensions cause in my section (or generall not sure) the rule is i cannot built any fixed (non-removable) structure within 10ft of the boundaries. in my case they came for the back and actually measured that the distance was 10 ft (which it was). i was pretty surprised that they have been that thorough...
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post May 26 2012, 01:42 PM

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Thanks for all the replies. Looks like this is pure luck whether they come and check or not.
I'm building a 1 step down from the door. Definitely violated the rule of 10 feet boundary. But I see all my neighbors has the step down also.
Kinda dilemma here. Maybe I should just not build the step. At least it is not so obvious. ? But wit out the step. It is very high to come down. Around 2 feet.

Oh yeah by back there is no one stretch long drain. No drain. Just a big square drain manhole grill in the middles of the road.


Added on May 26, 2012, 1:59 pm
QUOTE(alxdc @ May 26 2012, 01:42 PM)
Thanks for all the replies. Looks like this is pure luck whether they come and check or not.
I'm building a 1 step down from the door. Definitely violated the rule of 10 feet boundary. But I see all my neighbors has the step down also.
Kinda dilemma here. Maybe I should just not build the step. At least it is not so obvious. ? But wit out the step. It is very high to come down. Around 2 feet.

Oh yeah by back there is no one stretch long drain. No drain. Just a big square drain manhole grill in the middles of the road.
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One more thing. Why MBPJ does not allowed extended kitchen with concrete ceiling? According to them, only use light stuff like wood and ceiling. The reason using concrete ceiling is because to avoid thief from coming in the house. I'm sure u all know there are many cases house got rob thief came in from wet kitchen roof tiles.

So building a concrete ceiling with roof tiles rather than wood plaster ceiling with roof tile. This is for safety reason. Anyone know why is disapproved?

This post has been edited by alxdc: May 26 2012, 11:16 PM

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