eh only entry level setup lol, you can dig up my thread on my ICE journey if you want lol

Does Sound Proof really important?
thinking of skipping sound proof

Isit expensive?

Estimate for a vios?

Saw alot of people use Dynamat

Hmmm, previously i got my car side door speaker and rear speaker when it is too loud the whole dashboard vibrate can a sound proof prevent that?

opposite rather, because speakers vibrate/reverberation, and you need sound proofing to reduce/remove it

i highly emphasize on this 

Hi ezmeer 94, sp is really nice. The sound of ur ice will be more focus. I can get u dynamat double layers 4 door at $700. For your info, i m addicted until to do the sp to roof, trunk & fender. No time to do the floor yet. Is good till the door will become solid and the sound when u closing door is good.

surround only happen if installed with surround processor and having multiple channel amplifier to amplify each spk since all surround processor doesn't included amplifier. If there's no surround processing, the whole car will be only in stereo. so no matter watever front and back surround is only because of the time that the sound goes to your ears and the echo from the car cabin. Using time alignment maybe can solve the problem but it's better to avoid the problem first before finding the way to cure it.

u better forget about ur current ice....buy another pair of ur s60 or maybe higher end model put at rear and see how good it will be :>

myvi 1.3 SE.
with DB drive k7 12"D4
and DB drive Speed series 1000watts monoblock class D amp
suit or not suit?

good in the sense of?

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Added on November 8, 2012, 9:16 pm
the amp and sub cost u 2.5k?

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Added on November 8, 2012, 9:16 pm
then u are not really sql..let me show u what is sql..come come..

Haiya.. you're taking the word "surround" too literally. And you didn't read my comment properly la. I don't care about staging. Therefore imaging is irrelevant, tonality isn't affected la and separation  where got affected? That's not what it sounded like in my car back then. You probably need tuning assistance if you had that much problems.



And whatever the "sense to focus" is, it's a personal preference. I want a submersive setup that covers my passengers too, so you want to focus on driver that is your choice. Mine is not the same as yours.

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Added on November 9, 2012, 7:09 am

Alo taiko.. you also another one. Music recordings where got surround recording one? Only stereo. I don't need a processor to have rear setup with stereo and besides, surround in its true meaning is only for DVD users. I just want a submersive sounding setup. Front, back, left, right, etc.. who cares that it doesn't sound 'realistic' la?

This kind of discussion will lead no where since everyone is trying force their ideals on others.

ICE do have it limitation. There is only so much that we can do within a budget and constraint of a vehicle interior. For those of us who are Headphile or Audiophile, we do have another set of standard of sound reproduction that would defer from ICEer.
Those of us with Speaker setup would compare with positioning, floorstand with multiple driver size, multiple subwoofer, ported sealed and also room correction. We expect the stereo sound to fill the entire room and also have a sweetspot. In addition to this, the luxury of minimal environmental noise and cleaning up the main noise. Not forgetting some who even regenerate power for audio reproduction purposes. If do have a chance, do try to listen a good Stereo Setup or maybe visit the annual KLIAV to get a taste of this side of the poison.
Unfortunately we cannot wear a Headphone while driving. We need to share the sound with the other occupant as well in the vehicle. If can, I would just spend on a portable Hi-end Headphile gear that could cost the same as a ICE setup. Think of a mid end Headphone with noise cancellation, media player, portable DAC/amp that can be just linked to the 12v power adaptor. Put one Headphile gear in a car and try compare it against decent ICE. Think where your preference be.
Therefore rear speaker do help in imaging as we cannot control reflection point in vehicle that easily. Cannot simply have egg tray stuck on window.
Anyway, it's still individual preference. If you want to stick to ICE principal of front stage without rear speaker then its your call. There is still some of us who do dream of having certain difference in our setup. Also there is those some of us who try to reproduce something that near to impossible but what the heck, nice to daydream. For me I want the sound of a Denon D7000 powered by a full wadia setup sound in my ICE...... Daydreaming....

Partly agree with you. This is just a discussion. We can talk from moon to earth here on ideal and perfect ICE, ultimately in the end only you yourself will listen to your own setup with your own ears, no need to care about how others comment or feedback. I always stress to my customers, there is NO PERFECT setup, the setup will have to be individualised to meet individual's needs. As long as customers are happy with your setup, then so be it. 

Think Izso was trying to make a point that rear fill is a personal preference against an argument that its a waste of money. In some case rear speaker are needed as not everyone drive a compact 4 door car. There are some with Welfire or Madza 5 and think rear speaker would be needed.
In certain cases, adding more speaker would improve the audio quality, that why we have 3 way, 4 way front stage. All depend on how it's been done. Look at those Floorstand speaker in HiFi with multiple drivers. ICEer trying to recreate the same with different size driver and positioning.
Therefore some of us which decided to remain 2 way, would maybe rely on the rear field speaker to help fill the null and void. Who do not want a front stage with .75" tweeter + 1.5" bigger tweeter + 3"mid + 6.5" mid bass + 8" bass running off xover with multiple amp with dual 15" sub on monoblock plus a 6.5" running off the HU as rear fill for the fun of it?
As mentioned, ICE have limitation and we need to work with those limitation. Also, competition setup are to cater for competition needs while a day to day vehicle should suit its owner fancy.
Therefore I believe a vehicle with sound coming from everywhere would suit a fella who like clubbing as that what it is like in a club while a concert goer would think he had gone into a audio nightmare.
Finally a vehicle is not like a listening room where you can use bass trap, acoustic foam and room correction treatment. Reflection is controllable only to certain extent and then it's up to you how much you can tolerate.
Finally, everyone ears are different and expectation are also different so don't expect your installer will understand what you are trying to achieve. Therefore compromise need to be made unless you can manage the ICE installation all by yourself.......

if thats the case then whatever goes then

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Added on November 11, 2012, 3:50 am

what izso talked was not about that though. in fact i was pretty much mentioning that it is quite difficult (not to mention expensive) to have hat "immersive" setup similar to headphones

ps: i do have a pretty decent headphone setup

my ultimate dream in ICE is pretty 'SIMPLE'... if $$ no objection, just get a Lexus LS460 with Mark Levinson Reference Surround system... freaking 19 speakers man.....

"Designed exclusively for Lexus, the available Mark Levinson surround systems deliver an audiophile experience that more closely resembles a concert hall than an automobile. Each system is carefully designed using multiple speakers located strategically throughout the cabin ensuring that EVERY SEAT enjoys an optimum audio experience.

The Mark Levinson Reference Surround system available in the LS and LX models features a class-leading 19-speakers, 7.1-channel architecture, a 15-channel 450 watt amplifier (all channels driven, 20Hz-20kHz @ less than 0.1% THD) and a six-disc, in-dash DVD/CD player with DVD-Audio, Dolby® Digital and DTS® Digital Surround sound. Audiophiles will be thrilled with the low-distortion sound quality that envelops passengers in the harmonic richness and dynamic musicality of a live concert."

yup, it's all about personal preference.. even d cars we drive.. haha...

yup, it's all about personal preference.. even d cars we drive.. haha...

didnt know that need to pull new cable for speaker..

using standard speaker cable..

so malutapimau, where can i get those cable in kl..

Back from Howie Shop! and really my money magically gone..

hi sifus, i need some advice.. i seem to like a bit of rear fill in my car as it sounded more 'complete' to my ears. may i know wad's d best cut off frequency for rear fill? 5kHz?? i read somewhere tat too much highs at d rear is not a good idea...

wad i'm using now is front components powered by amp plus coaxial 3-way speaker at d rear shelve powered by HU. initially i dont like d sound as d highs r coming from all over. i tried to fade it to d front or completely turned off d rear but it sounded 'hollow somewhere' (i dunno how to describe....it just sounded weird).... thus i experimented by disconnecting d small wires to d coaxial tweeters at d rear n d overall sound is much better. am i doing the right thing?

also would like to know if there's difference where d location of rear speakers are. it seems tat most japanese cars hv their rear speakers at d doors while Protons still hv theirs on rear shelves. does it makes a lot of difference?? thanks!