i don't think s3 is outdated wor..btw, what to do with s3 when compare toe 214 and meta am?

150 travel not gooding? :|

Wondering why no people use 150 travel ya? Is it other travel model got problem or is not something what Malaysian riders prefer?

Also some people told me that if your bike comes with 150 travel it is always advisable to maintain that travel length. If you match with extremely high travel, the bike frame might not be able to support the geometry change and will somehow crack the frame. Is it true?

Well, based on your answer I think you either are selfish person or you are simply shooting blank bullets. Which mean you know nothing about bike.

If I would to use your theory to judge a bike's performance, I don't think it really work. Proton advertise and buy write ups at lots of car magazine. Is proton a good car? Nissan skyline gtr hardly advertise or do any promotion..so the conclusion is this car is lousy?

If you know the fact of a certain pros and cons and you voice it out, I'll respect you. But if your comment are just stating design outdated, number very sueh, no magazine coverage & bla bla bla..you don't know much about bikes.

At least when I went to specialize the guys frankly told me they have no idea because the bike in Malaysia is pretty new.

When when I went to KSH at tmn tun, the guy named lim told me that meta am what that bike can deliver and what 214 can deliver. He give a very good example like BMW and Benz. Both are good car, it depends what you are looking for in terms of look and performance.

That is what I want to hear. Not some blank info that lead to no where. And sorry that if I've offended you with my words. I'm here to learn and explore. Not here to listen to blank facts.

Is not wrong to get more opinion around. I didn't say proton is not a good car, is a car that lack of quality and reliability. Again that deepening on what you are looking at..you can even say your proton is better than Benz or BMW.

People that doesn't dare to take a change will always stay stagnant. But people who try to take the change, will gain experience.

sorry, i'm noob. i don't have money to buy bicycle magazines to fap. all i can do is walk around shops and ask them about it. basically i got to learn it the hard way. some shop will share with me their knowledge and some don't. which basically most of them won't as they think this is a waste of time.

also sorry that i don't know what is the different of fork length and travel.

which is why i'm here to learn..if this is not a suitable place to learn, i'll know what to do next.


i don't really care about resale value when i purchase anything including a car or a bike. all i want is the feel that the item they can provide to me. so far i can't really get the feel as most of the shop rarely offer me to test/ride on their bikes. so this is pretty hard for me to judge.

will, i get 214 for 7k based on 2013 specs:

Frame:
Zesty 214 Alloy 7005 Sl Sot+ 140mm Tapered 12X142
Rear Shock:
Fox Float CTD Lv Evolution
Fork:
Fox 32 Float 150 CTD Evolution 15Qr Tapered
Front Derailleur:
Shimano M670 New SLX 10 Speed
Rear Derailleur:
Shimano M675 Sags New SLX Shadow + 10 Speed
Number of Gears:
30
Shifters:
Shimano M591 Deore 3X10 Speed
Chainset:
Shimano M552 Hollowtech Ii 10 Speed
Chainrings:
24X32X42
Cassette:
Shimano HG62 11X36 10 Speed
Front Brake:
Avid Elixir 1
Rear Brake:
Avid Elixir 1
Handlebars:
Lapierre Nico Vouilloz Signature 31.8X20X711mm
Stem:
Easton Ea50 8 degrees 31.8 Sizes S, M : 75mm Sizes L, Xl : 90mm
Headset:
Fas Orbit Tapered 1 1/8-1.5''
Rims:
Mach 1 Subzero 26'' Black
Front Hub:
Mach 1 Subzero 26'' Black
Rear Hub:
Mach 1 Subzero 26'' Black
Front Tyre:
Schwalbe Nobby Nic
Rear Tyre:
Schwalbe Rocket Ron Perf. 26X2.25
Saddle:
SDG New Duster Custom Black/Red
Seatpost:
Easton Ea50 31.6X350mm
Weight:
Approx. 13.3kg

as for what is good what is not, i'm still learning. all i want is to get a bike that are value for my money (not looking for resale value) and there are room for me to upgrade if i want to.

as for meta AM 2013, model..i don't recall seeing Kashima front fork being used. not sure if i'm wrong or not. price i can get for this is RM8640.

Specification:

Frame Meta AM v2 150mm

Shock Fox Float CTD Adjust Boost Valve Kashima

Fork Fox 34 Float CTD Adjust, QR15, Tapered 150mm Kashima

Headset Cane Creek 10 series. Semi Integrated zero stack tapered

Stem Commencal VIP OS

Bars COMMENCAL VIP 0.75" OS 6061, 730mm

Grips COMMENCAL Deluxe Lock-On

Brakes Formula RX 12 180/180

Shifters Sram Trigger X9 2x10

Chain Device Sram X7 DM 10 Speed

Rear Mech Sram X0 10 Speed Type 2

Bottom Bracket Included w/crankset

Cranks Race Face Turbine 36/24 10 Speed

Chain Yaban 10 Speed

Cassette Sram PG-1030 11-36

Rims Jalco light double wall for Commencal

Hubs COMMENCAL disc by Joytech, loose ball. 15mm QR front 142/12 rear

Spokes Stainless Black 64p 3x lacing

Tires Onza Ibex 2,25 front. Onza canis 2,25 rear, kevlar bead

Seatpost Rockshox Reverb 31,6mm

Saddle SDG Circuit for Commencal

Color Neon Yellow Matt Finish

Okay..I'll ask myself which one I really like.

I'll plan to do 50/50. Half road half mountain. Basically I'll ride the bike to a specific place like Bkt Gasing or Kiara Park from my house and once I reach there I'll enjoy the journey in the mountain.

I might not be able to ride all the way in the jungle, so I do understand at some point I'll need to carry my bike to cross certain obstacle.

I do think 1.6k additional is awesome. Based on given shocks for meta am. Just wanting to know the pros and cons of each bike for your personal experiences and knowledge. Simple as that.

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Added on December 13, 2012, 1:08 amBeside jungle, I'm planning to ride at some open construction site that I've scouted. Nice slope and awesome trail. I might not be able to enter and ride on those place I scouted but I'll surely find places like that to ride.

This post has been edited by wepwep: Dec 13 2012, 01:08 AM

try fasten it with cable tie and place some antislip padding in between gap, might help..not sure

thanks. i'll have a look at the 2 short listed bike few more time before i purchase it. thanks for sharing your thoughts

A very good explanation you have. I would actually want to enjoy more on trail & DH. I don’t really like to actually “carry/transport” my bike around with car. Hence I decided to ride it on the road to a specific place I want to reach. To me since it is a bike that act somehow of a transportation doesn’t really make sense for me to transport my bike with my car. I do still need to buy a carrier if my partner would want to join me for cycling.

My main purpose is to enjoy trail & DH. Not on mainly on road as I don’t really care about enjoying on road.

I’ll try to hike around Kiara Park, but I have no idea if I can even actually enter the bike trail or not? wouldn’t it be dangerous for people to simply hike in and you guys are cycling? I mean I have no idea how does the place look like but to me when you have human walking and bike doing downhill & etc etc..pretty dangerous.

As for bkt. gasing, not all place you can actually ride. Basically bkt. Gasing is for people to do hiking but I would love to cycle that at certain hour which there are not much people venturing in the jungle. At certain point you will need to carry the bike up.

So far I’ve compared, Meta AM got lots of good review on specification wise and 214 got lots good review on value for money based on given upgraded spec and frame geometry for 2013 model. All I can find via online.

what fishy fishy means? gary fisher mtb?

i will get the carrier..but i will not want to use carrier if i'm going solo. without my gf, i prefer to ride all day long

well, i'll not ride that super fast on road. i'll do light cycling on road just to get me reach the destination and have a short rest before i venture to the trail/dh.

i'm not sure if i have the stamina or not. but i do like to challenge myself. i did walk/jog from Kelana Jaya to Bkt Gasing before. occasionally i walk/jog from Kelana Jaya to grab LRT to Pasar Seni and from there will venture all alleys and make my way back to brickfields to enjoy a bowl of cendol and fried banana. once i'm done, i'll take lrt back and walk/jog all the way back to my house.

so instead of using my leg, i'm planning to push myself further by using bike venturing into jungles.

as for Bkt Gasing, i've actually found a spot that i would like to cycle. is on the way from Bkt. Gasing exiting out to Bangsar South.

on the other hand, if my partner would want to join me for cycling i'll then use a carrier. which i think most likely it will be FIRM

in this case, i think i would really get 214 since meta am is slightly expensive given the budget i have.

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Added on December 13, 2012, 2:00 pmbeside that i did walk/jog from SS3 to subang park and jog over there 2 laps and jog all the way back to KJ park and jog over there a lap or 2 and make my journey back to my house.

i find it pretty fun when i actually get to see more stuff when i'm walking along roads/jungle

This post has been edited by wepwep: Dec 13 2012, 02:00 PM

okay lo..i buy and ride nia lo

Sorry. Didn't mean to confuse you. I'm looking at AM bikes.

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Added on December 13, 2012, 5:25 pmBtw, what is FD?

This post has been edited by wepwep: Dec 13 2012, 05:25 PM

Oh. Thanks for the explanation.

:trollol:

6k, i buy

well, if can get 6k for the entire bike, why not?