Yes do not treat ACCA with a negative view - it is your professional body that is giving you the certificate.

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Added on September 1, 2012, 6:31 pmi heard that ALC that used to be on top of McD in Subang SS15 has moved to Asia Jaya LRT station and running the classes there for students. There is PAAC which is also near the Masjid Jamek station (actually just by the side).

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Added on September 1, 2012, 7:04 pmWhen there is ACCA forum - why is it that some "students" seems to be very well versed with every lecturer and then keeps failing papers 6 times before passing it?

Plus they have so many friends that are studying in all the colleges - now ask yourself, is this a possibility or more than a coincidence.

Having 2 - 3 computers allows you to post from 2 - 3 different accounts

Bad english is just a disguise use by a very well versed agent of a college to market their own lecturers

Most of the students here need to have some awareness of legal implication of comments

1. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-1...tion-case_x.htm
2. http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_port...estnews&id=1874
3.http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-defamation-of-character.htm
You can be held fully accountable under the new Malaysia internet law, which was recently passed.

So I would suggest that students that have passed your F4 to know your legal implication in the current legal world.







This post has been edited by frodo baggin: Sep 1 2012, 07:04 PM

From what I have heard from a number of students this is TRUE to a certain extent. I had recommended that students do P6, but I would be careful in terms of whether it is your cup of tea.
You may do a paper and find it is hard to pass still, there is a student I know that has been taking the paper 5 times and still have not passed it.

By the way, I LEFT KDU and Sunway on my own free will. The statement made by Muppet is slander and defamation. I left Sunway since I took a position with Inti in 2009, which was a conflict of interest due to proximity. I am still with Sunway JB till this period. I informed KDU on March 2012 that I will be leaving them and right after I had informed them about this, Muppet appears and makes this posting. What do you think is the coincidence of that happening? All this while for the past 4 years I was there, no problems. The moment I say that I am leaving due to my personal reason, this attacks start on.

For everyone to know;
Yes I use powerpoints for 2 papers, P3 and P1, you can see the samples on my blog, I still have to teach alot and explain every issue.

No I do not scold any students for asking questions, in fact I encourage it.

I checked with my attendance list for the inti student mentioned here, he was not in my class at all, so his remark is useless and a lie, since he was claimed to be in Jan2012 class, which was monitored very closely by me.

I hope student act with professonalism in this forum and up hold the requirements of the CODE.

Do not expose yourself to unwanted remarks about a lecturer, and I would recommend on you focusing on constructive comments. Do not engage in character assasination or any such behaviour.

Bad lecturers will be taken care by internal system of check and balance, do not use 1 or 2 opinions. I have seen how students protest in the class and with the heads when there is a bad or inappropriate lecturer.

I know for a fact that this forum is biased towards 1 or 2 colleges, analyse the recommended list to determine whose names are recommended.
Compare the names against the colleges that are operating to determine the overall pattern of comments and discussion. Use your analytical skills to identify where the "students" are coming from.

I have been tracking this forum for some time, it appears that current trend is negative compared to the past students, who refrain from personal attacks. The attacks on students that are providing positive comments is a clear indication of biasness by the forumner involved.

So before you get inflammed by the posting here, reflect back to the student that acted badly in Merdeka day and the consequences of a short burst of the uncontrolled emotions, be objective and follow the fundamental principles to avoid unneccasary issues.

Make sure you all know what is professional behaviour requirement of the CODE. Do not bring disrespect to the profession.

The minimum academic entry requirements for registering on the BSc degree are two A Levels plus three GCSEs (grade C or above) in five separate subjects including Maths and English. Oxford Brookes University recognises a number of other qualifications which satisfy the minimum English language requirement, including a Pass in ACCA Paper F4, Corporate and Business Law. Further details can be obtained from the ACCA office at Oxford Brookes University.

If you registered with ACCA under the mature student entry route (MSER) and do not have an acceptable English Language qualification, you will be permitted to register for the BSc degree only after you have passed Paper F4, Corporate and Business Law.

If you are a CAT student, and have passed the CAT Advanced level exam papers, you meet all the entry requirements for the BSc degree.
Reference: ACCA website
http://www.accaglobal.com/en/student/quali...egulations.html

It would appear that OBU has added the statement about 2A levels + 3 GCSE's (5 SPM credits)
The requirement that you pass F4 before registering with OBU

Well the key element here is that CAT students will have met all entry requirements (those on that route have no worries)

I suppose OBU will look at your other qualifications that can be accepted in lieu of your A Level or SPM requirement for those that do not have that.

When you sign up with ACCA, you are automatically opted into OBU, unless you had clicked otherwise. Make sure that you have opted in before sitting for F7 - F9.
Hope that helps

The minimum academic entry requirements for registering on the BSc degree are two A Levels plus three GCSEs (grade C or above) in five separate subjects including Maths and English. Oxford Brookes University recognises a number of other qualifications which satisfy the minimum English language requirement, including a Pass in ACCA Paper F4, Corporate and Business Law. Further details can be obtained from the ACCA office at Oxford Brookes University.

If you registered with ACCA under the mature student entry route (MSER) and do not have an acceptable English Language qualification, you will be permitted to register for the BSc degree only after you have passed Paper F4, Corporate and Business Law.

If you are a CAT student, and have passed the CAT Advanced level exam papers, you meet all the entry requirements for the BSc degree.
Reference: ACCA website
http://www.accaglobal.com/en/student/quali...egulations.html

It would appear that OBU has added the statement about 2A levels + 3 GCSE's (5 SPM credits)
The requirement that you pass F4 before registering with OBU

Well the key element here is that CAT students will have met all entry requirements (those on that route have no worries)

I suppose OBU will look at your other qualifications that can be accepted in lieu of your A Level or SPM requirement for those that do not have that.

When you sign up with ACCA, you are automatically opted into OBU, unless you had clicked otherwise. Make sure that you have opted in before sitting for F7 - F9.
Hope that helps

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Added on September 9, 2012, 1:23 amThe exam centre and learning centre are not the same. Some of the learning centres have used their facilities to also provide the exam centre, like Sunway, KDU and MARA too name a few.

Most of the learning providers are not listed in the exam centres. Most of the exam centres may be schools, like the time when I was studying in a college in PJ and taking exams in a SMK school in Ipoh (near to my home town)

The current list of learning providers in the market include:
https://portal.accaglobal.com/tpweb/faces/p...nA5Pp7ftnR9Jrl0

The current list of exam centres includes:
http://www.accaglobal.com/content/dam/acca...centres/d12.pdf

Hope the helps



This post has been edited by frodo baggin: Sep 9 2012, 01:23 AM

Yes it still applies. You must make sure that you have opted in before you take F7 - F9.

I was made aware by the examiner the she had decided not to give marks for quoting the standards from 2011 paper - it is the principles that matter. So if you do not quote the standards - whether IAS / IFRS or ISA it is alright. Check the recent examiner answers - you will not find the half mark award anymore.

The main issue is the principle behind the standard - if you are dealing with development cost, you must know the criteria that must be discussed rather than stating IAS 36. Hope that update helps all P7 students to focus on learning the principles.

Been busy with revisions to get back to forum.

Inti Subang College now offers an good alternative for Sunway students to consider if you are looking for alternatives.

Actually all the colleges are fine. I would not say that one is better than the other. You have to check the lecture hours, price, text book given.

I would not comment on the lecturers since most of the lecturers should know how to deliver the materials but may have different emphasis - numbers orientated or theory orientated or mixed. It depends on your ability.

Location is one of the things to consider.

Time of class - F7 there is only evening classes, whereas F9 there is both evening and afternoon (FT).

If you go with FTMS for F7, you should consider P2 and P7 since the lecturer is the same. This would be good to ensure continuity. I would believe that F7 has a good link with P2 and P2 has a good link with P7.

For F9 they are using 2 lecturers - one for classes and another for revision, this could either be good or bad (depends on the style of the 2 lecturers)

Hope that helps

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Added on December 19, 2012, 4:13 pmBetter?
How to measure this?
Pass rate
Number of students that support them in the forum
Ability
Experience
Ability to joke
Ability to do PYQ
Ability to relate to industry
Ability to explain
Number of "new accounts" students that recommend them

There are so many indicators of better - it would be better for a more specific question to be asked rather than broad ended question, which seems to lead to subjective opinions of individuals rather than factual assessment of what matters.

Please specify

Is the pass rate of Elite Jaya better than Kasturi?
Do the lecturer in Elite Jaya practice more past year questions than Kasturi lecturer?

On this note - I think it would be better to specify the paper, since each paper will have difference - this is the essences of service - heterogeneous. In fact each semester there will be a difference in the delivery by each of the lecturers, again making it harder for this to be measured.




This post has been edited by frodo baggin: Dec 19 2012, 04:13 PM

Does your management care ? Both are expenses which are being written off. Use your judgement, either class falls in admin expenses which is general class.

Do check out
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z2letPbsHaQ/UMWX...etable+2013.JPG
for a timetable which is an ALTERNATIVE to SUNWAY.

Wishing all ACCA students a Happy New Year - 2013
Hope all your plans for 2013 can be materialised favourably & your goals achieved with ease.
If you get tired of studying - go work for a while and come back later.


This post has been edited by frodo baggin: Jan 2 2013, 08:21 AM

If I am not mistaken it would be related to the level of support given by the mentor - 3 meetings only whereas others may have more comprehensive mentoring and reviews.

The most expensive one is Sunway PJ - which has broken up their OBU into BRM (RM1,200) and Mentoring (2,800) which comes to RM4,000.

Most of the students that have studied the BRM would know that it teaches them Powerpoint, some Excel skills and finally a bit of research methodology. In the past this was done by the mentors. Does it help, yes, say about 10% in doing your project, but overall the project is an independent work.

I have come across many different types of mentoring out there (feedback from students) so you have to understand what you are getting into before you start. I have heard that some mentors even charge up to RM6,000+ for mentoring and also for each delay in submission a charge of RM500.

Hope that helps.

Mr.Oviyan is pretty good - available at ftms and inti

Sorry I just checked, he only teaches ACCA P4 in FTMS not F9.

This is based on feedback from students that I know who were under him, majority had positive comments. He is also teaching in Sunway JB for P4 and his student did get the world prize. I talked to her and she said she just followed methods taught by him in class. From student feedback, his approach is balanced in terms of theory and calculation.
I have seen his notes and materials - it is comprehensive.

He is also available for ACCA P4 in KDU College, Inti Subang College and Sunway JB college, occasionally in Sunway Ipoh college indicates that majority of the students are positively inclined. If the lecturer was not stable, most colleges would not retain the person for too long.

I have come across many lecturers that had a hard time in P level, since the expectations of the students are higher and there is always a requirement to have wider knowledge base. This means that those that manage P level papers should not have a problem with F level.

Other than him, you can consider Ian Lim @ Elite Jaya, Andrew Pang @ Kasturi, Chan @ KDU, Geetha @ Sunway, Joyce @ Sunway

Most of the lecturers mentioned here are lecturers that I have heard comments about from the students that have studied under them.

Others that I have no feedback on are Max @ Kasturi, Stephy @ Kolej Bandar, Annie @ FTMS

In total there are 9 lecturers in Klang Valley for F9, but this list is biased by my view of the colleges that are offering the courses.

I used to teach this paper back in 1997 and 1998 and that time Oviyan, Chan, Andrew, Geetha were also teaching this paper in other colleges.

Hope that helps

F8 lecturers that are available

There is Sheila @ Elite Jaya, Low Chin Ann @ Kolej Bandar , Jay @ Inti, Joey @ KDU, Kiran @ Sunway, Letchumy @ Sunway, Marcus @ Kasturi, CK Fung @ FTMS

Of course I would suggest that since she is already studying in Kasturi - go there to avoid timetable clashes, which will happen if you take in 2 places. This is a big problem for students that jump around for the "best", you will have to manage the timetable properly. I know Marcus and he is really a cool lecturer who will bring in a lot of "industry" experience.

If the full (include revision class) timetable is already out then you can manage this risk. I have had many students missing the classes because of this risk. The paper used to be a killer paper but recent trends for F8 seems to indicate that it is getting much easier - it had the highest pass rates in 2012.

Malaysia has always had a hard time with this paper - usually the average pass marks for this papers has always been lower than the world pass rates. There are times when the World pass rate is 3x% and Malaysian rate would be 1x%.

Choice wise, make your life easier with convenience. I have had students that went to branded lecturer and failed and later switched to non-branded lecturer to pass. Was the lecturer the cause of the pass or failure? Hard to say.

[quote=Arthos,Jan 4 2013, 12:14 AM]Oh yeah, employers will tend to ask what activities do you involved during your secondary school and college life.

So if you are from those big big college/university like Sunway, Help, KDU, UCSI, Inti, you will get the chance to involve some activities.

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Actually I would say that sticking with a good college helps but not necessary. I had a student that used to study with me directly and applied at Big 4, there was no issues -he did F8,P3 and P7 with me.

In ACCA, it is the person that is important. If you want extra activities - I would suggest doing Toastmasters, which will add value to your CV and also to you as an individual. Try to participate in other challenges - OSK challenge (you have to be with a college).

I had some students being accepted by Big 4 with weak results because they can speak well and some with good results that were not even considered because they cannot communicate well during the interviews.

Does the college add credibility - in ACCA certificate there is no mention of the college you graduated from.

If you are applying for government jobs - than make sure you studied in a MQA approved college, since this is critical, since this would require validation. Make sure you leave a paper trail in the accredited college. That means that you have completed the required credit hours in that college. If you set and failed, then the re-sit can be done elsewhere since you have completed the required credit hours in the college.

This would be important if you want to work for LHDN (Govt tax department) - great for ladies to consider.

If you are not planning to work in GOVERNMENT, then where you study is up to you.

There is always colleges and universities that sings the song that you HAVE to study with them to get a good job or that employers will look at the background of the college where you studied from. That is usually "WAFFLE" made up to ensure that you stick with them.

Other "WAFFLE" is you will increase the chances of getting a job with college A or B - honestly there is no empirical evidence that support this as of yet. I have seen students from unknown colleges get a job and known college get a job with BIG 4.

What speaks to employers is the results in ACCA. If you had passed all in one go - GREAT, if you had failed - NOT SO GREAT
Other issues : if you have ability to talk and handle yourself well - GREAT, if you have a relative in the firm - GREAT, if your friend can pull you in - GREAT, if you have lots of awards (world prize, malaysian prize) - GREAT, if your OBU is 1st class - GREAT.

Note this comment is based on feedback given by student over time, in getting jobs with the BIG 4 and may not apply to all those that did get a job.

Hope that helps - that is just my view

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Added on January 4, 2013, 12:51 pm[quote=nick67,Jan 4 2013, 11:35 AM]Regarding F8, if your gf can manage it I would suggest to self study since it's mostly memory work. Many people will tell you it's best to "understand and apply" than to "memorize" but I beg to differ 

Also if she wants to go for lectures I would say I had a bad experience for F8 in Sunway.

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Nick - you did T8, so you can cope with F8 easier, this might not be the case for those that did not do T8.

This would not be so for those that are studying audit for the 1st time, the ideas might be harder to grasp. So self-study is possible if you did T8, have a strong command of English and discipline.

It is recommended to go for class if this is the first time doing Audit as a technical paper.

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Added on January 4, 2013, 12:55 pm[quote=leon9212,Jan 4 2013, 11:49 AM]
[quote=frodo baggin,Jan 4 2013, 09:21 AM]
Sorry I just checked, he only teaches ACCA P4 in FTMS not F9.
Other than him, you can consider Ian Lim @ Elite Jaya, Andrew Pang @ Kasturi, Chan @ KDU, Geetha @ Sunway, Joyce @ Sunway

Thanks for your reply i found out that he is also teaching in PAAC, but i can't find the timetable..as his timetable in inti is not consistent, i scare it will clash with my other classes..

Can you give more details on Geetha and Joyce? As Andrew and Ian already out of my list..hehe..

appreciate your help

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Geetha - relaxed coverage of all areas + heavy question review during class
Joyce - strict coverage + motivational + question review during class

Both have their strong points. Depends on your attitude - need to be pushed and pulled to study.

This post has been edited by frodo baggin: Jan 4 2013, 12:56 PM

I would agree with Nick with this view point - it is difficult to study and work.

I would suggest that you complete the 5 papers first and then go to work. You can leave to work once you have completed the studies for 5 papers, you do not necessarily need to pass all 5.

If you get a 9 - 5 job, then I would suppose study and work is possible

If you work in the firms, it could be hard

You can have 2 pending papers - which if you do not get through, you can still study part-time at that point and take the exam while working. This will not be as stressful as doing the papers for the first time

I have had students that studied all the paper and tried out the exams. They went to work on the basis of their OBU Degree. They repeated some papers while working and still passed a bit later. Their feedback was that practical experience helps in making sense of the issues studied. (Some people learn from practical)

If you have completed your degree and thinking about studying / working. My suggestion is try to study up first for another year (if you have 9 papers exempted) then go to work, irrespective of results (assuming that you have passed a minimum of 3 papers)

On that note - here is the estimated cost of studying ACCA after a degree.

The cost of getting exemption for 9 papers is 1,110 pound sterling x 5 = RM5,550
Tuition fee for 5 papers ~ RM7,500 - RM10,000 (depends where you study)
The exam fees for 5 papers (assume at 100/paper = 500 x 5 = RM2,500)
Registration and subscription fee is 158 x 5 ~ RM800

The total cost for getting the whole ACCA after your degree would be around RM15,000 ~ RM20,000.

Hope that helps

The waffle is to ensure that you stick with them - it is a fear technique that is installed by the CONTINUOUS MISINFORMATION about what is actually happening out there.

Eg of misinformation - Study here and only then you can get a job in Big 4. Study XXX and pay $$$ since this is what is required by the firms. If you study outside then you would lose your recommendation.

The FEAR installed by the system is the key tool in keeping you at one place and not allowing you a choice of study. I would belief ACCA is the only course that allows student true choice, the only barrier is the fear that if you move about you would loose out in the future.

In this case I would say what is wise is for you to consider why you are studying in a place?

1.If you want to study where the crowd is then you are a "crowd follower"
2.If you want to study where you choose based on your criteria, then you are an "OBJECTIVE buyer"
3.If you choose to study where your parents want you to study, then you are a person that follows "family wishes"
4.If you choose a place because your friends are there, then you want to "maintain clique" (which may not last very long, since when I was studying ACCA, most of my friends were lost in between due to result variations)

So I cannot tell you what is wise for you, but I can say that to be wise, you should know what you want and why.
It is hard to give advice on this matter since it is a double-edged sword. Too many variables need to be taken into account.

Go to Sunway University and register directly (drive down tomorrow). If their class is full then you will either have an option to do part-time classes. The timetable is available online at http://sunway.edu.my/college/acca/class-timetable.

In this case - results copy for Degree + SPM + Foundation or Diploma + money + yourself + registration form should be adequate.

Your option is to do P1 to P3, but I would advice that you do 2 papers since this is the first time and the load for P2 is high, especially with P2A for degree students.

ALTERNATIVE you could try http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z2letPbsHaQ/UMWX...etable+2013.JPG for Inti.

There is a new rule that is coming up in the education world - MQA passes in degree / CAT will not be valid in ACCA by July 2013. The colleges will have to make you do additional papers to replace the credit that you have completed in CAT or Degree. Do get ready for that.

Sunway JB uses BPP platinum text book and lecturers will refer to them, students do read them for core areas. Sunway PJ some use and some don't. The text in Sunway PJ is prepared by the lecturers, so may have mistakes in them.

My advice - get an examiner reviewed textbook if you like to read the text to understand. There was an Pakistani student that I knew who passed F1 - F9 only by reading BPP text. He only studied in colleges for P level.

Kaplan books are simple and straight to the point but BPP has examiner to review their content.

Does the text help? - I think those that have read it properly would say yes, those that got it but never used it to pass would say no.

This post has been edited by frodo baggin: Jan 7 2013, 08:19 PM

Sunway JB was granted platinum status recently (at par with Sunway PJ) and the CAT lecturers there are fine. I have not heard any complaints from the students about the CAT lecturers. I would suggest that you go there to check it out - the intake has already started for Jan 2013.

I have not studied there but have a lot of student feedback that indicates positively about CAT level teaching team.

Hope that helps

This post has been edited by frodo baggin: Jan 9 2013, 02:21 PM