Dear all Dota member's;

This will be the comfirmation of my tourney.

DOTA Open Challenge on the 18th & 19th March 2006.
64 teams only.

Champion : RM 3,000.00
Runner Up : RM 1,500.00
Third : RM 800.00
Fourth : RM 500.00

Thanks for any feedback & suggestion.
I here appologize for any inconvenience cause for the delay of this tourney & changes due to certain circumstances.

Map : 5.84c
Registration fee's : RM 100.00
Registration Form : Download the attachment below or drop by to the address below to collect the registration form.


No 69-1, Jalan SL 1/4,
Bandar Sg Long,
Cheras, Kajang,
43200, Selangor.

For more information and detail's, please drop by to our cyber cafe or you can contact me via email : munsoon@malaysia.com or call 012-207 2289.

Thank You!!!


Regards;
Cliff Wong


P/s: We are so sorry due to this postponed again. Can you all imagine if you have received the comfirmation of over 5+ teams that comfirm to participate and then at last it had been reduce to only about 20 teams to participate? How to continue this tournament with only that less team? RM 3,000 cash for 1st prize although it's not a very big amount but if you add on those prizes with 2nd,3rd n 4th place... it's cost us over RM5k.... with only 20 teams that participate....I believe if you guys are the organizer... would you carry on? Dont blame us since you are not understanding our problem...
Anyway... we have discuss with Sendi Mutiara Multimedia S/B for the upcoming RM 30k competition... We are waiting for comfirmation from them to organized the state tournament. If you all know about this tournament, the state champion is only Rm2k, but we'll add on with extra prizes such as DVD player, Mp3 player, Sony playstation and so on PROVIDED we successfully got the comfirmation from Sendi Mutiara. We know we have been create alots of problem to all the participant and we sincerely apologize to you all.
For those who had register and would like to cancel, your registration money of RM 100 is refundable. Please contact us at 9075 3208 for the refundable.
Once again sorry to you all guys that we have been FORCE to postponed it again.

Thanks anyway for those who are kind that look into our matter.
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This post has been edited by 108dotnet: Mar 25 2006, 03:19 PM

using which map version ?

rules?

game mode?

No of teams ?

registration fee?


thxx!!

This post has been edited by Neslo[#^PenG^#]: Dec 8 2005, 03:59 AM

Standard 5.84c
No backdoor, no pumping, no bugs abuser, no creep blocking, no manta style.
Normal Pick. (coin twist for sentinel or scourge)
For quater final, Semi Final & Final match, 2 win out of 3 games will be apply.
Max 96 teams.

96 teams single day tourney?

the time management of ur cybercafe must be excellent in order to manage to finish all the matches in a single day.....

the registration fee for each team will be how much ?

yaya... how much is the registration fee?

i thought all tourney changing to version 6.xx soon???

sigh another 5.84c tournament, i for one wouldn't join to discourage the use of 5.84c

>>>Standard 5.84c
No backdoor, no pumping, no bugs abuser, no creep blocking, no manta style.<<<<


dont





play





5.84c!




so many 'dont'

yea how much ar .. free entry ka

zzzz ver6 is more balance....
5.84c still got alot more abuse

//off topic :
for those v6 supportor
if you have no point regarding this thread

dont post, dont spam v6 here !

lol nice post count there treepex 1.5k ....

anyways he neva shove 5.84 in ur throat also lol .... u dunwan play fine lar ... -.-

Free registration fee ha?

It will gonna be 4 days tournament starting from 12th January until 15th January.
Registration fees is rm 100.00 per team...
*Due to the excellent respond, the prize might be increase instead of RM 3,000.00 for champion, it will gonna be RM 5,000.00.
But i'll double comfirm again by this weekend.

Thanks.

Registration fees will be RM 100.00 per team.
Prize for champion might be increase to RM 5,000.00 instead of RM 3,000.00.
It'll be comfirm by this weekend.
Thanks !!

Thanks for your reply first.
Due to hot request on changing map, i'll consider to change it to 6.12.
BTW, the champion prize will be increase to RM 5,000.00 instead of RM 3,000.00 due to excellent respond from outside.
Anyhow, i'll recomfirm again by this weekend and REPOST again my tourne...

Thank You!!!

Hye sir,
Thanks for your reply first.
Due to respond on map changing, i'll consider 6.12 map for my coming tourney...
And also due to hot respond, the prize for champion will be increase to RM 5,000.00 instead of RM 3,000.00
But i'll recomfirm all and REPOST again my tourney by this weekend..
Thank You !!!

Thanks for reply and your feedback...
I'll consider using map 6.12 instead of 5.84c due to the respond for my tourney..
And also the prize might be changing from RM 3,000 to RM 5,000 for champion.
Anyhow, i'll reconsider all this method and REPOST it again by this weekend.

Thank You!!!

Thanks for your reply.
For your info, the registration fees will gonna be RM100 per team.
Thank You!!!

Thanks for your feedback.
I will be consider using 6.12 instead of 5.84c.
And the prize also might be change from RM 3,000 to RM 5,000.
But all this i'll reconsider and REPOST it again my tourney by this weekend...

Thank You!!!

err, if u plan to use the version 6 map, better use the latest 1, which is 6.27, not 6.12.....

one question, how to u plan to carry out the 96 teams early matches? group matches or single elimination?

but i think kinda hard to get 96 team , honestly, even the zonex competition didnt manage to get 64 teams to join, and their prize money is RM5000.....

somemore u plan to use the vers 6 map, then will be even less team that gonna join d.....( dun flame me, but is a fact that most teams still play 5.84c )

This post has been edited by Neslo[#^PenG^#]: Dec 9 2005, 12:30 AM

Registration fees if RM 100 per team.
Map might be change from 5.84c to 6.12.
Champion prize do might be change from RM 3000 to RM 5000.
I'll reconsider all this matter and REPOST again the new and final tourney by thins weekend.
Thank You!!!

Ya, no doubt most of the people is still playing 5.84c. But there are alots of people outside is changing now and upgrading themself to version 6.xx.
96 teams is the max. But the match will still carry on if achive 64 teams.
I knew bout zonex competition. it's only 5o++ teams tat take part.
anyway, i open up until 96 teams is juz to expose our tourney to all over malaysia bcoz our cc is juz a mth old. in the mean while can be said it sumthing like advertised our cc that born in sg long.
Well, it'll be all single elimination game except for Quater, Semi & Final. this 3 stage will be BEST OF 3 games.
Anyhow, is there any different between 6.12 and 6.27?

yes of course, 6.27b has new hero, lots of tweaks and balance changes compared to 6.12b, and it is the latest stable version, so you should use 6.27b

As you said so version 6.27 is the best, then why there are still people outside playing 5.84c? infact it's still the hottest map outside.
there is a question i wanna post for you.
if i really use 6.27, wat happen if there is no turn out for challenger?
then change again to other map during competitionday?

i'm sorry if my ques too rude coz this is my 1st time running a cc and i know not much bout dota.

me from cybertime... our cc now still having 5.84c tournament.....coz most of the cyber cafe still playing 5.84c...we still got contact to the others cc team....most team still traning 5.84c maps...so we request ur cc can use 5.84c map..
most us jsut coming back the zone-X tournament ..not many team got traning on 6.27b...

Ya... you do have your good point.
but i have alot's of feedback that 6.12 is an excellent choice to be compare wif 5.84c. so i'm still in considering stage. anyhow, i'll make d decision by this weekend. probably i'll have d first tourney of using 6.12 instead of 5.84c. try to upgrade abit ma..... then they might be a possibility that a new champ will be crown rather than the great team will remain their title... am i rite saying this?

I'd advise against using ver 6.12 for the reason that online players don't usually play this version..

The feedback you got that 6.12 is an excellent choice would be true in July 2005 but it is no longer true in December 2005..

If you are going to use a 6xx series map then please go with the recommended tournament version which is the 6.19B or the latest 6.27B..


Otherwise stick to 5.84C or better use 5.84D (as this is a fixed-up version of 5.84C)

My opinion only...

Regarding the DotA version, either stick with 5.84c or 6.27b. There's no point to play v6.12 since it has been changed and tweaked numerous times due to balancing and bugs issues.

6.12 --> 6.27b You already can think how many changes they've made.

Very true lar your comment and I think this organiser quite noob lar...

Maybe few months ago ppl use 6.12 lar .. nowadays where got ppl use 6.12 one..

name me one tournament (recent one) that uses 6.12 ...

you want help organise the tourney for your cyber cafe or not ? private messae me to contact me lar...

Bro you only have 3 choices lar:-

1. Version 5.84c/d (More elite players):-
- Most malaysians play this map. Bad point is there's a group of people who refuses to play this map coz of support for newer map versions. Also i think most people already know who are the people who will probably win the tourney.

2. Version 6.19b
- Good point is this map is one of the more stabler versions. basically i think if i'm the organiser wouldn't really wanna go use this map reason is becoz this map is neither here nor there. In other words ask yourself this question... you want to attract elite players or new team testing out their tactics?

3. VErsion 6.27b or Latest Version ( more teams testing out new tactics)
- good plus point for using this map is becoz it's new, here are a lot of untested tactics out there.
- You need to set a dateline to decide the latest version
- bad point is lots of bugs might still exist. So you will need more experience Dota Marshals around and make it very clear in your instructions what is considered as bug abuse and what is not.

i think u should use 6.27b ... stick with it even though new version come out .. as team need to train and develop tactic ... hard to train if the version keep of changing .... 96 teams ar .. i think hard to get so many teams ... but maybe .. maybe got ppl interested since new map /// new chances of winnning liaw ..

i not like it thinking lo i see got 10cc 10cc almost all of dota 5.84 version very less ppl play 6.27 one and 5.84 version all is play until be pro already then now u make 1 6.27 tourny? who come join ur tourny o all 5.84 pro go 6.27 there juz be noob only lo 1round lose lo haha,i think if tourny map is 6.27 in Singapore will most popular in here i think in KL side 10team 9team also in there train 5.84 more then 6.27 if the tourny is 6.27 i think is no much team to join lo me also is 5.84 fans la i also hope u can comfirm the map is 5.84 thx

Wat can i comment is ver5 is buggy...ver6 is balanced..
e.g.did u all ever saw meta hero in ver5 tourney? and ver5 got unbalanced morphling and medusa..

For you info... Tomolo nite got a touney which is 6.27b...
it is about 20 Teams joined...

As much as I support v6, I would have to say 5.84c is still the way to go unless players themselves wish to change. And to those who diss 5.84c so much, there is something about 5.84c ( not the bugs or imbaness ) that definately cannot be achieved by IceFrog. Maybe it is the terrain, or simplicity of the recipes or something. I just don't feel it to be the same.
I believe 5.84c will definately attract more people by a big margin. Somehow I think even by changing to v6, those ' supporters ' won't really join. 5.84c top clan players can adapt within a week just adjusting to the slight changes ( no TS, Bone nerf, Medusa nerf, etc ). This is my opinion throughout all my years of WC3/DotA and marshalling.
However sooner or later the switch must be done =/.

how abt half half lol ...... both tourney also got ... but less teams le .. like either 32 like tat ....

i just wan join nia haahahh

my area cc recent tourney using 6.12b. jz finished a week ago. according to the boss, he will held dota tourney every 3 month with the LATEST dota map.

but..... 6.27 how balance also no use la now msia 80%ppl is playing 5.84c/d if u tourny map is 6.27 then mayb juz got 3x team++ register only

finally i hope that tounry is 5.84c/d la hope this tourny can be 5.84 version mayb this is last 5.84c version tourny already lolz

I disagree with people saying that using v6.27b as the tournament version would discourage teams to join.

As long as the prize money is alluring enough, people will still join. Pros are pros whether v5 or v6 DotA, they still can excel.

For me personally, I would like to see v.6.27b as the map to be used, as this would open up more possibilities, fresh strategies and gameplay. Don't get me wrong, I still play v5.84c these days but it's just getting too dull with strategies, hero line ups and some of the rules for v5.84c.

Maybe it's time for one cyber cafe to make the 1st step.

your english is hard to understand and learn to use punctuation please

sooner or later v6 will replace 5.84c, because of the simple fact that v6 is BETTER in every aspect, and it is updated constantly

so the organiser for this tournament can start making the change by using 6.27b, i.e. the latest version of map, to tell the so called "pro" 5.84c players that this change is inevitable, and to encourage more people to start making the change and play the official map

i play through mirc, few months back almost all games are 5.84c, but now, 90% of the time i only see 6.27b, this trend will go on as more people realise v6 is better

overall i hope you can make it 6.27b to make the start

Yes GodBlessYou,

For heaven's sake Please go take an english 101 course, your post is the most incomprehensible English i have ever seen...

Seriously....

& GodBlessYou

err... just for your information

either take 5.84c or 6.19b(the most stable version i ever played) or 6.27b(or latest) as tourney's map ...
bcoz as i see 6.12b still has alot of bugs needed to be fix.

This post has been edited by AiRBooM: Dec 9 2005, 07:52 PM

hmm ...12th of jan 06= thursday...
why dont the organizers make it on weekends?
still, no confirmation about the maps that will be using...v5 or v6?

Yluxion, you are kinda shallow. Let me cut this short for you. It is because of the players, why WCG adopted 5.84c. I cannot reveal more then necessary.
Edit: But one thing I must agree is, sooner or later, the switch must be made. So one CC will have to sacrifice being the guinea pig.

This post has been edited by Sesshoumaru: Dec 9 2005, 10:10 PM

Lol, i see a lot of "so-called pro team" play full team buckler or cyclone in 5.84c. (Yeah, no joke...)

A lot of people love to play this especially normal pick for Sentinel side with Keeper of the Light. Crazy unlimited mana for whole team to abuse buckler.

Thank god, they nerf buckler greatly to Mekanism in the 6++ ver.

I think 6.19b should be a better choice for tourney game since Icefrog (creator of Dota 6++) already advice players to players to play this version.
The 6.2+ series are playable but he told us that it is still got a lot of things to fix and improve.

This post has been edited by Goblinsk8er: Dec 9 2005, 10:16 PM

hmm...so-called pro team...

if they play -ar mode then can easily win...but for tourney they choose to use the safest way to win...that's why all teams using the same(almost) strategy..
if this tourney use v6...then u will c what will happen...it will be the same thing
well..this is just my opinion...
haiz...mr.organizer...plz change ur date ... 12jan06 = thursday rite?

This post has been edited by oRoXoRo: Dec 11 2005, 11:09 AM

Ya, thanks for your feedback... You'll get the new comfirmation tourney post by this weekend. Thanks anyway........

To this royal fans....
i was thinking of 96 teams...so it's IMPPOSIBLE to complete this tourney by only 2 days... anyhow, i'll reconsider all this method (map,prize & date) and repost again my tourney by this weekend.....
Thanks for your feedback...

Yes... you are rite...
Then i MIGHT be the one to take the first step by organizing a 6.xx version tourney and become d guinea pig....
anyway... all the comfirmation will be known by this weekend...
Thanks for your information...

hope u do it .. yea ... good ... .... support u 99 ... lol

Hye...
i do agree wif your opinion....
if i stick it to 5.84c, it'll be meaningless coz the champ will have a big advantage n possibility to retain their title... so regarding this method, i'll reconsider again and the final comfirmation of my tourney will be post by this week...
grab the new info by this week la....
thanks for your feedback....

thanks for your feedback.....
i might be using version 6.xx for my tourney....
regarding the tourney date, i was thinking of 96 teams at first... so it'll have to be complete in 4 days... but as wat the reply n feedback, i dun think tat my tourney will fit in all 96 teams... so i might be reduse it to 64 teams only....
anyhow all the comfirmation will be notice by this weekend... i'll repost it again...
so grab yourself the latest info of my tourney by this wekend la...
once again, thanks............

thanks to this royal member.................

ya.. .regarding to this map method for my tourney, im considering of using ver 6.xx.... but anyhow, all the comfirmation will be notice by this weekend....
thanks.......

thanks brob........
for the comfirm tourney, u'll get to know by this weekend....

hye brob.... u have a gd point n opinion....
this tourney will be using ver 6.xx....
all the comfirmation will be notice by this weekend....
grab urself the latest info of my tourney by this weekend la....
thanks anyway........

i'm not really known about Dota coz i didnt play this game....
anyway, thanks for your gd point....
the new and comfirm tourney will be post by this weekend....
grab it yourself the latest news n info or my tourney yourself...
thanks......

hye, at first... i'm not noob.... i juz never played dota before so i wouldn't know much about this... i open my cyber cafe a mth ago... i only know how to do business... the main prupose of this tourney is juz exposure.... that's all i wan as d feedback from this tourney.
btw, you have a very good point and useful info for me....
so i'll consider of using ver 6.27b...
anyway, the comfirmation will be notice by this weekend....
so grab urself the latest comfirm info bout my tourney by this weekend la...
once again, thanks.......

ya... i do think so 6.27b is a gd choice since a lot's of feedback about this map...
anyhow, the comfirmation i'll repost again by this weekend...
thanks.......

hye henry...
may i know where is the tourney?
wat time start?
using which map?
i might be there for some useful info...
thanks......

hye....
thanks for your useful info 1st...
i think i'll consider using ver 6.xx for this tourney...
reason being b'coz if i stick it to 5.84c, there is a big possibility that the top team or the champ will remain the champ again... this will coz less of team joining b'coz chances of winning is -%..... there must be a chances for other's and a new challenge for the top team or defending champ.
no doubt 5.84c still the most popular everywhere, but if they not upgrading themself to the new version, they can be said old thinking or they juz wanna be great wif 5.84c and not accepting new challenge.... this is means meaningless of playing games (sorry if my words offend you or somebody)..... but this is my opinion.......
anyway, the comfirmation will be repost again by this weekend....
once again, thanks brob........

hye brob....
cant be half half....
coz b4 the open, there is an In-House tourney... using 5.84c...
this tourney free registration and the prize not very interesting...
it's juz to push up my cc business due to new in this area....
the new comfirmation will be repost again by this weekend....
thanks..

hah..... people have to upgrade n accepting new challenge... since a lots of feeedback with -ve 5.84c comment, there is a big possibility i might be using ver6.xx....
anyway, the comfirmation will be by this wekend....
thanks........

hye brob... u do have your gd point....
i might be the one to take the first step....
the comfirmation i'll repost it by this weekend...
thanks........

Is an online tourney lol!
AND OH YEAH!!, SG LONG!!!! I LIVE NEAR THERE ONLY w0000000tz

This post has been edited by Hell Fire: Dec 10 2005, 08:05 AM

PLZ..... No more old version pplz. People are getting tired of the crappy old version.

This post has been edited by yeehs18: Dec 10 2005, 08:36 AM

as per your request....
thanks......

staying nearby sg long?
drop by to my cc for a visit la.... bring some frenzs.............

if using v6 map...then it is going to be fun also ..

well we will c ...

eh tournament version is 5.84 or 6.27?until now i also did know yet any 1 can comfirm

i'll be rooting for your tournament if its v6, .84c is very old and buggy, those 'pros' who use it will always pick the imba heroes, mainly SA, medusa, Morphling, etc...and if u see online (Bnet), alot of ppl now are switching to the latest version, this includes those from singapore...and umm..the rest of the WORLD, only Msians are still playing 84c...why? they like to abuse bug and they like the imbaness of the heroes, they focus only on winning instead of having fun.

latest version for teh win!!, 84c can start to dig its own grave now.

New post of comfirm tourney been updated...
check it out.... thanks........

new comfirm post been updated....
check it out....
thanks...............

new comfirm tourney been updated...
check it out please.
thanks..........

It would be nice if you can multiquote to reply to everyone 108dotnet, here's how you do it.

First click on the quote followed by the other that you want to quote and reply, then scroll down and click on the addreply, from there you can edit and reply one by one. Saves time and space .

You have a very good point, mr pro...
I have posted the comfirm tourney.
using 6.27b.
So i grab this opportunity here to glad and welcome all the 5.84c pro or expert or wateva, to have a new challenge...
train yoruself for this new tourney....
thanks.........

Thanks for your useful tips....

Thanks for all ladies & gentlement useful information, feedback & guidelines.....
From all this useful gathering, i have made up a conclusion for my tourney.
I have edi post up the new and the latest comfirm tourney here.
Please check it out and hope there will be a great respond from you all.
Thank you for support.
All The Best !!!

This post has been edited by 108dotnet: Dec 13 2005, 03:50 AM

UBHM.... u make his posts more confused ....

This post has been edited by AiRBooM: Dec 12 2005, 01:25 PM

my eyes are blurred......

Why not follow the singapore rules as in
-ap
flip coin ,winner gets to choose 1st hero OR side.

So A wins the coin flip, A chooses to get 1st hero,after that, B gets to choose their 1st hero and decide which side of the map they play on.
Then back to A to choose their 2nd hero. Then B's turn again etc.

Until all heroes are picked and written down, game is started. And players must choose according to the heroes they have agreed upon.

I think this is very reasonable and closest to fair in dota.
Since it eliminates the "win due to getting sentinel" scenario/whine.

Especially in the early stages where it's only 1 match knock out . . .

The downside i guess is the hassle. . .

Just my 2 cents.

This post has been edited by CrankY: Dec 13 2005, 07:52 PM

actually the most fair mode in DOTA should be -ar -mm, then both sides get exactly the same 5 heroes, no more complains.....

but where is the fun in that?

part of the fun in normal pick is seeing team like KS and CT doing the so called "impossible", which is coming up certain combo and win using the scourge side,

yo... nice to here about the 6.27b will be use...
any way... tips for u guys...
6.27b and 5.84c strategy is about the same...
a bit dissapointed with the team pick i have played...
no fun...

but for real tourney, u can use team pick coz it have prizes...

good luck...

Hmm, so u make hav made a decision, and finally u choose v6, wat a good news
anyway, can i sign for being a marshall that day? lawl

this is definately wasting time

This post has been edited by Hell Fire: Dec 14 2005, 06:53 PM

the singapore format is makes the game of dota very very open ...in terms of strategy wise ...it forces players to be more versatile and more of a thinking game ...rather than more micro intensive

as to you hellfire ... you r entitled 2 your own opinion ..but please give some respect to cranky ... he is after all ... a well known dota player who knows exactly what he is talking about

one thing i want to comment about the singapore format ... is that ... it rather defeats the purpose of dota in terms of "scourge vs sentinel" format ... as cited by one of my friend.

nevertheless ...it is a very interesting idea ... and i indeed would like to see how games would be played out ...cuz that format is indeed very balanced and fair as hero choices is no longer restricted to 2 pools of heroes

This post has been edited by hashinclude: Dec 14 2005, 09:46 PM

Actually there is a game mode for this, -lm, but the cons is Sen always choose first. I try to use this in my league, but I decided to forget about this league mode reason because of most Malaysian dont know how to read hahahahahaha and once you miss your chance to choose your hero and you are done for good. Lol~ A good mode indeed.

i agree wif you...
the singapore rules cant work here in malaysia....
well anyway, i edi put the comfirmation to my tourney....
hope you guys all can support to this new version tourney...
thanks........

Hye everybody there...
May i know any comfirmation for this Dota Open?
So that i can close the registration once it's full....
Thanks !!!

How many teams joined?
and btw, do u guys recruiting any match marshall?

This post has been edited by Hell Fire: Dec 21 2005, 10:22 AM

I strongly discourage the use of coin flip for -AP mode. I believe this will break the game balance in someway. Somemore its tournament which I believe each teams should make use of their current side strategy. Not mixing around to mess up. Dota is about Sentinel vs Scourge, this nature should remain no matter what. If you think having Bone on your side means winning then perhaps you need more experience to open your eyes. As far as I know, 6.27b is damn balance for a Sen vs Scou game.

We are Malaysian, run your own rule as long as it is fair.

And, please everyone stop playing 5.84c. Its gay playing it already.

This post has been edited by yeehs18: Dec 21 2005, 10:49 AM

hello there if u don't like 5.84c is fine but pls stop saying bad thing abt ppl who still love playing 5.84c ok....i think the only gay playing dota are u...i guess....btw u have no right asking ppl to stop playing 5.84c.

Well, I will continue to do so and will continue to call them gay.

seriously, i dunno y ppl still sticking to 5.84c, while 6.xx is so much more fun (dont tell me lazy to learn...). the only reason i can think of is it's more unbalanced and easier to abuse, hence "fun"...

just came back from overseas, went to cc an hour ago, all playing 5.84c, i was like wtf??.... left....

edit: oh btw, i'm not saying tat we cant play 5.84c, it's ur own right to abuse, of cos... *sarcasm

This post has been edited by tadasu: Dec 23 2005, 06:56 PM

strange... since this tourney is using v6...still got ppl talks about v5..
born to complain i guess

noob lose not becuz of the map is becuz of their skills....(n luck)

We are flexible player. So if v5.84 is still the trend in Malaysia, I will enjoy it but that doesn't mean we don't play v6.27. We enjoy every dota game. That my dota spirits.

hey ... its me whoopa ... lol