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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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EddyLB
post Jul 18 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 17 2012, 08:08 AM)

Caught this from another forum

After the non compliance decree by The FATWA Committee of the National Council of Islamic Religious Affairs ,
apparently
http://www.martinlee.sg/genneva-gold/comme...ge-14/#comments
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What the clauses trying to do is "money always come into the company, and make sure it never go out" ?

Time to run......FAST !
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post Jul 19 2012, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(AUGUST777 @ Jul 19 2012, 02:28 AM)
Don't waste your time here. Ask the bank, Bill Gates, Apple, Sony how they make money and show you how it is done....please don't ask idiotic questions.

All posts in this forum doesn't tell me anything, just wild guess, rumour mongering, tale bearing, teh tarik talk! Just all that kind of low level thinking. No facts, no figures, cos all never bother to do homework, check out the company, go to their gold talks etc..... even calculation is wrong.

I starting to waste time here.....!!!

Do your homework before yakking nonsense.
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Added on July 19, 2012, 5:34 pm
QUOTE(24hrs @ Jul 19 2012, 02:37 PM)
I have nothing against Genneva even tho I don't invest in them but I find that the teh tarik talk here is rather entertaining. You don't have to take them seriously. They are just a bunch of clowns. I think this thread is more suitable at Kopitiam.
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I think their cashflow must be affected badly these two forumer have to come in to try to salvage whatever image they still have. But did just opposite by scaring potential investors away tongue.gif

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post Jul 20 2012, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 20 2012, 08:29 AM)
They can give you their secret of their earnings model.

ALL they can  say for now is that its INNOVATION!      biggrin.gif
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Yes, it is very innovative. Basically it is an art of managing funds, which need very complex software/formula and PHD in finance to do it right. You got to have 6 way hedge against each other :

1. US$
2. RM
3. Gold spot price
4. Gold retail price
5. Old customer money (hibah)
6. new customer money



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post Jul 20 2012, 02:59 PM

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And the most innovative part is how to maneuver the Law. After G S/B was investigated and prosecuted, adjustments were made to the mode of operation to "comply" with law and until today, the clone GM S/B is still in operation

Why Bank Negara, Securities Commission, ROC are not doing anything ?

If we look at the Madoff's US$65 billion ponzi scheme, it was only when his own son reported to the authority that the scheme was finished. That is the time Madoff knew he couldn't hide anymore when the new customers' cash inflow is no longer enough to pay the old customers. The scheme lasted >15 years

This one started in 2009. It wouldn't end for another 12 years notworthy.gif


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"Madoff said he began the Ponzi scheme in the early 1990s. However, federal investigators believe the fraud began as early as the 1970s. Concerns about Madoff's business surfaced as early as 1999, when financial analyst Harry Markopolos informed the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) that he believed it was legally and mathematically impossible to achieve the gains Madoff claimed to deliver. According to Markopolos, he knew within five minutes that Madoff's numbers didn't add up, and it took four hours of failed attempts to replicate them to conclude Madoff was a fraud.[58] He was ignored by the Boston SEC in 2000 and 2001, as well as by Meaghan Cheung at the New York SEC in 2005 and 2007 when he presented further evidence. He has since published a book, No One Would Listen, about the frustrating efforts he and his team made over a ten-year period to alert the government, the industry, and the press about the Madoff fraud.

Although Madoff's wealth management business ultimately grew into a multi-billion-dollar operation, none of the major derivatives firms traded with him because they didn't think his numbers were real. None of the major Wall Street firms invested with him either, and several high-ranking executives at those firms suspected he wasn't legitimate.[58]

Others also contended it was inconceivable that the growing volume of Madoff accounts could be competently and legitimately serviced by his documented accounting/auditing firm, a three-person firm with only one active accountant.[59]

The Federal Bureau of Investigation complaint says that during the first week of December 2008, Madoff confided to a senior employee, identified by Bloomberg News as one of his sons, that he said he was struggling to meet $7 billion in redemptions.[18] According to the sons, Madoff told Mark Madoff on December 9 that he planned to pay out $173 million in bonuses two months early.[60] Madoff said that "he had recently made profits through business operations, and that now was a good time to distribute it."[18] Mark told Andrew Madoff, and the next morning they went to their father's apartment and asked him how he could pay bonuses to his staff if he was having trouble paying clients. With Ruth Madoff nearby, Madoff told them he was "finished," that he had "absolutely nothing" left, that his investment fund was "just one big lie" and "basically, a giant Ponzi scheme."[60] According to their attorney, Madoff's sons then reported their father to federal authorities.[18] On December 11, 2008, he was arrested and charged with securities fraud.[20] "


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
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post Jul 21 2012, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Jul 20 2012, 11:17 PM)
Look who is on item #23...... drool.gif
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post Jul 21 2012, 10:02 AM

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*ahem*

"the list is outdated. We have got all the approvals already. Believe me..." brows.gif

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post Jul 21 2012, 01:38 PM

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Yes, it is free capital from greedy investors. If gold price going up, no problem. The business model works. In fact, when the customers renew, they have to pay to the company margin of higher gold price --> cash inflow

But if gold price comes down, they offer this guarantee to buy back at ORIGINAL price.

When gold price comes down, customer will insist on cash instead of holding gold. That is the time it will affect their cashflow. How do they service the loss ? You know I know lah brows.gif

Another important ingredient in this business model (and in all other ponzi scheme) is customers' confidence. If no fresh customers funds + existing customers insist to cash it out, the business will fall.

The company is recently :

1. declared non-halal by Islamic authority
2. in the Bank Negara list of "non-authorised nor approved under the relevant laws and regulations administered by BNM"
3. gold price looks stagnant or heading down (interest 2% still have to service)
4. increase the interest to 3%pm to attract old customers not to cash out (ie avoid cash outflow)

What does that mean ? sweat.gif

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post Jul 30 2012, 05:15 PM

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Already in the Bank Negara list of "non-authorised nor approved under the relevant laws and regulations administered by BNM" (Company #23 in the list)

http://www.bnm.gov.my/documents/2012/Senar..._sesawang_n.pdf




And declared Not Halal

QUOTE(Syd G @ Jul 12 2012, 08:50 AM)
Perlaburan Emas Syarikat Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd Tidak Sah
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v6/bm/ne...l.php?id=679876


KUALA LUMPUR, 11 Julai (Bernama) -- Transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas Syarikat Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd didapati tidak mematuhi sepenuhnya peraturan hukum syarak dan undang-undang negara.

Ini disahkan oleh Pengerusi Muzakarah Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan bagi Hal Ehwal Agama Islam Malaysia, Prof Emeritus Tan Sri Abdul Shukor Husin dalam satu kenyataan dikeluarkan di sini Rabu.

Beliau berkata muzakarah tiga hari majlis itu bermula Rabu lepas meneliti laporan dan hasil siasatan Bank Negara Malaysia terhadap operasi jual beli dan pelaburan emas syarikat itu.

Katanya, operasi syarikat tersebut didapati tidak mematuhi sepenuhnya Parameter Pelaburan Emas seperti diperakukan oleh Muzakarah Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan bagi Hal Ehwal Agama Islam Malaysia kali ke-96 yang diadakan pada 13 hingga 15 Jun lepas.

Kenyataan itu menasihati umat Islam tidak melibatkan diri dalam aktiviti atau transaksi jual beli dan pelaburan emas oleh mana-mana pihak, sama ada syarikat di dalam negara atau luar negara yang bertentangan dengan prinsip jual beli emas seperti yang digariskan oleh syarak dan undang-undang negara.

-- BERNAMA

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post Jul 31 2012, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 31 2012, 07:39 AM)
Most banks do not have physical gold as well.............  biggrin.gif
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For that matter, all banks do not have physical money as well tongue.gif

It is just that the confidence with the banks is strong.
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post Jul 31 2012, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 31 2012, 01:34 PM)
Where did you get this?

Any link?  Thanks


Added on July 31, 2012, 1:38 pm
Actually they do. Only part of.....Thats the deposits where they do fractional banking.
Where they book as liability and lend out up to approx 10 x the amount! 

All dirty derivatives...i speculate thats the same woth gold.....only hold part of.   nod.gif

i think thats why most banks do not entertain delievry of the physical gold.
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Yes, you are right. I think Central banks all over the world calls it Statutory Reserve Requirement (SRR). Ie % cash they retained from deposit, and lend out the rest. If I'm not wrong, BNM's SRR is 4% only. That means, when we deposit RM100, our physical cash only left RM4 in the bank, and the rest all lend out. Then when the loan installment comes back to the bank, the bank lend it out again. The multiplier could be more than 10x biggrin.gif If the SRR is 4%, then they can actually lend out 25x !

I hope oldskolboyz is right. The banks have physical gold backing to every single dollar. Then the gold we buy from banks are all safe. But I also doubt the banks do this. Hope I am wrong

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post Aug 1 2012, 06:53 PM

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*ahem*

"Those are baseless reports attempting to discredit our company. Our legal counsels are studying the possibility to seek legal avenues to stop these blatant lies. To our investors, please remain calm and if possible come to our office to seek clarification. And don't forget to bring your cheque books along"
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QUOTE(wjmatcool @ Aug 3 2012, 10:40 PM)
From March until today, I can see all the rubbish comments posted in this forum.
No one seems to understand the business model.
First of all it is not an investment scheme, therefore has nothing to do with BN approval. It is not taking any form of deposits.

It is just a gold smith shop that sells you gold and give you a discount which is given back to you not at the time of purchase but spread over a few months.

Just imagine you are buying a gold ring from Poh Kong or other gold smith shop and they give you a discount. The discounted amount is given back to you spread across a few months. That's all !!

You call this a scam or illegal??

Come on .... go to the shop and sit down there and see for yourself.
Don't just sit in front of your PC and start googling here and there to find negative remarks like what you can see in this forum. There are lots of cyber troopers out there who are working for other competitors to write negative remarks because of jealousy seeing the business growing so quickly.

Do you know that there are quite a few more companies doing the same thing but their names do not appear anywhere and you guys have not heard of them before and cannot even google their company name?

For the commenter "lunchtime" who screams that the company is still owing his wife some outstanding amount from his previous purchase when the company was raided by BN, why can't he just pay a visit to the office at Kuchai Lama and look for the owner who sits at the top floor everyday? He will be glad to see you and settle the problem because he is not hiding somewhere where you cannot find him !!

Unless of course you are just a cyber trooper trying to tarnish the image of the company !
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Boss, to convince people, let me teach you.....

Engage a lawyer. Sue BNM. Sue Majlis Kebangsaan Hal Ehwal Agama Islam Malaysia. Get court injunctions. Make police report. They are the ones who are "tarnishing" your company name. Not the "cyber-trooper". They are harmless small ciku.

Please help your agents to continue selling. Now they have difficulties selling because of all those warnings by BNM and Islamic authority. These reports are in newspaper, facebook, blogs, radios, everywhere. You need to back your agents up with some solid black and white proof that you are legal. Otherwise, when the agents also loose confidence then you are doom.

Take action against BNM and Islamic authority ! Do it quick ! Mere denying here won't help anymore. Consumers are not stupid already.....
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post Aug 4 2012, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(wjmatcool @ Aug 4 2012, 09:50 AM)

If you go to court guarantee you loose one!



Added on August 4, 2012, 10:14 amGo visit these websites.

Don't tell me the Government's Ministry of  Human Resource also supports this scam huh?

Don't tell me Rosmah also fully supports the scam huh?
Then you need to tell the PM about it lah !!

http://www.mohr.gov.my/pdf/genneva_square.pdf

http://www.pmo.gov.my/datinrosmah/?dsr=pho...id=view&num=580
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Boss, please go to court and take on Bank Negara and Islamic Authority. So many people here ask you to sue them. How many times do they need to tell you ? That is the only way to win back confidence ! Show all the "morons" here they are in fact a big MORON. Don't let the authorities bully you. You are hero, not pirates ! They are waiting to see an innocent company win against the ruthless authorities !

BTW,
The Ministry of Human Resources speech is dated 25 Feb 2011 --> outdated by one and a half years
The FLOM photos is dated 20 Mar 2012 --> outdated by 5 months

BNM warning is on 13 July 2012 --> latest news
Islamic authority declaration of non-halal is on 11 July 2012 --> latest news

You got the latest updates arr ? Don't lah give old news laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wjmatcool @ Aug 4 2012, 12:49 PM)
Hello, you think I am blind like you ah?
Of course I know the news are dated when.

What I trying to tell you is can a scam company continue scaming from day one when BN raided till now with court cases still ongoing and still operating and expanding everyday with Rosmah also involved?
The FLOM photos are from the official Prime Minister Office website......you mean the PM website is also bullshit and scam?
That is why people like you "thinks" that you know a lot and are doing a great job by looking at websites only and listening to rumours only.
Do you know that there are high profile people trying create a scene and make it appear in the papers, etc?
You don't know isn't it ..........well too bad......you have got limited resources then.
Go and do some more homework.

All the bosses would have been shot dead by now since they are also operating in China...... but how come the business is booming like mad there??

Why Singapore Govt. never arrest the bosses since they are also operating there openly??

By the way nobody including me is asking you to dump in your precious money on this. So don't get too exited. I am just trying to open up you people's eyes to see a bigger picture.
There are many things going on behind the scene which you all do know of and will never know just by reading BN or any other websites.

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Boss, YAB Rosmah's pictures only for "show" only lah. The "morons" here won't believe one. Because if your company bankrupt (say only, not suggesting it will), Rosmah and those high profile people won't guarantee and dig her pocket to return the money to the investors. Rosmah will say "hey BNM already warn you, why you all so stupid still give money to the company ?" or "Kau muslims why so stupid. Ni bisnes tak halal. Kan Jabatan Agama nah kasi warning ? Padan muka kau...."

So, the real "culprits" are still BNM and Islamic Authority. Can we sue them arr ? Please ? If not, when I approach people, people google and on the first page of search results are all the negative news for Genneva. How I going to sell lah ?

Boss, when you open another company to sell gold, do forget to include me ya.....
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QUOTE(wjmatcool @ Aug 4 2012, 01:27 PM)
Hello Son, whether it is positive or negative news, I don't care a damn.

Terror people like yourself should be aware that everything under the sun is controlled by you know who.
So don't talk stupid things like sueing.

What I cannot tahan is that there are lots of people wasting all their precious waking time sitting in front of the PC and blogging, chatting non-stop whole day long trying to tell people how much and what they hear, read and know.

Although some info is true but there are lots of info that normal people cannot access unless you have got people inside.

So while you are still alive and healthy go and do something useful lah like cut your house grass, wash your car, mob the house, paint the house, help your wife to cook, play with your kids, etc.
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No leh boss, now I cannot sell Genneva gold because of the bad news. Situation is bad leh....

You dont care a damn because you are rich. But I am just a agent. You got to look after me mah. I can't sell means no income, Later my house sure kena lelong. When I dont have house, where got grass to cut ? No car how to wash ? No house how to mob and paint ? My wife keep nagging me and my baby have to buy milk powder leh....

How ? cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(wjmatcool @ Aug 5 2012, 09:50 AM)
I don't understand you people lah.

Your minds are all blocked and cannot take in information.

This company is NOT an investment company.
Your are not investing your money in the company.
That is why it is listed in BN list of non-approved investment company. In the first place how can a company which is NOT an investment company be approved as a investment company by BN??

This company is just a GOLD TRADING company. It buys and sells gold. Therefore it has got nothing to do with BN.
There are lots of IDIOTS out there who keep on spreading info that this is an investment.

You just go to the shop and buy PHYSICAL gold and keep it any where you want...maybe under your pillow because it is your property.
That's all.

It is not like investing in online gold where you can only see your account number and if the company close shop you are left with nothing.
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Boss, I also don't understand you lah

You think BNM is so free nothing to do ?

They put your company name in the warning list for fun, is it ?

Why they don't put Poh Kong, Tomei, Habib name inside ? They are also GOLD TRADING company

If you don't take legal action against them, that means your "body got shit" lah tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wjmatcool @ Aug 5 2012, 11:44 AM)
Ya loh!

Me the dumb a@!^ also says "The Banks use your cash to roll loh" --  rclxub.gif
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Indeed you are the dumb a@!^ thinking your posting here can fool readers here.

BNM and Islamic authority already black and white give the public warning about your company, you think you dumb a@!^ can change ?

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QUOTE(pokemonkiller @ Aug 5 2012, 12:35 PM)
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Because it affects your sale of Genneva gold ? yawn.gif
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Haha, the way these Genneva people suddenly appear to scream and shout in the forum shows that it is really difficult to sell their gold nowadays. The good times is over.

I am glad that Bank Negara and the Islamic Authority is doing their job.

The more debates on the word "Genneva" appears in the internet, the more chance it will appear when googling.

So, these people is actually doing a disservice to Genneva laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wjmatcool @ Aug 5 2012, 03:11 PM)

Both sides also got story to tell, so who do you believe?



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Boss, people believe Bank Negara and the Islamic Authority.

You still don't get it ? Argue against us here no use one lah

Go fight against Bank Negara and Islamic Authority ! Your name is on #22 icon_idea.gif rclxm9.gif notworthy.gif thumbup.gif

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