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 AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government

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plumberly
post May 30 2013, 11:01 AM

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Tried to find out whether Sukuk 1M'sia will be terminated this Jun (end of 3 years) but BNM has not replied to my query. If you know, please share.

With the mega $$$ they spent for GE13, wonder if they still have spare cash to pay back to all S1M subscribers.

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post Jun 19 2013, 01:57 PM

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Just received my ASM annual statement this morning. Normally, I don't read it. Had a glance while having breakfast and one question came to mind.

ASM has 68% of its assets in shares. Every year, they give dividends. Dividends come from part of the profits they make. Suppose there is market crash and the shares drop by 50% and it takes 2 years for the market to start to pick up again. ASM's real worth has dropped by 68% * 50% = 34% due to the crash.

Does that mean my contribution in ASM has also dropped by 34% (i.e., I can only claim 66% of my amount)? Are principal and subsequent dividends in ASM guaranteed ?

I guess EPF etc fall in the same boat.

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post Jun 19 2013, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jun 19 2013, 05:39 PM)
I believe that your theory really over simplifies things. Unit trust investment isn't really a one to one trade, it's all based on net asset value of each fund and the exposure of each fund to the equity market(s) that the fund is invested in. If for example the KLCI drops by 10 points, it does not neccessarily mean that your NAV per unit drops by the same margins. Another thing to bare in mind is at which point that a unit trust fund acquired the equity. They may have bought it when the valuations was very low so even a hefty fall of the stock may not fall far enough to cause a loss for the fund.

The scenario that you described also happens if the fund manager invested in each and every single counter on the stock market; which goes against the whole idea of unit trusts.

Unit trusts are supposed to invest in a broad range of securities. However, if the securities are all in a similar type of asset class or market sector then obviously there is potential for a systematic risk that all the shares could be affected by adverse market changes. That may still not give you the losses that you had speculated because if it did happen, there's something wrong with the fund managers of the unit trust company.

So to avoid these potential risks or losses, UTMC's are supposed diversify their funds into different not perfectly correlated asset classes, providing balance and diversification that say a normal retail investor may not have capability to do so. If you invested in Maybank for example at RM10 and the equity valuation drops BY 50%, than yes your equity value is now RM5. Unit trusts in concept/idea is supposed to avoid this by diversifying investments on behalf of the investor.

Not sure if I have clarified things or made it worse for you tongue.gif
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Over simplify? I am the KISS type, Keep It Simple S ! Ha.

I don't like UT as I can do better than the UTs around. The thing I hate most about UT is their annual management fees, even when the fund is losing money!

Sorry for my over-sight in extrapolating KLCI 50% crash to ASM's 50% drop. Yes, ASM's shares are not the same as the KLCI 30 companies. Back to my main question -

Are principal and subsequent dividends in ASM guaranteed ?

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post Jun 20 2013, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(titanic_crash @ Jun 19 2013, 10:46 PM)
no guarantees on the dividend payout as far as i know...
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I don't mean if the yearly dividend is guaranteed or not.

What I want to know is, if my amount in ASM is RM10,000 now (principal plus past year dividends) and KLCI dropped by 50%, can I still withdraw the RM10,000?

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