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 AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government

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Mr.Docter
post Jun 28 2013, 06:19 PM

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Hi,

I recently went to Maybank branch to discuss regarding opening ASB account and packages that Maybank provides.

Below is the screenshot of the pamplet.

Front;
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Back;
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*sorry, need to censor some personal data.

The red box on the back page is for RM 30,000.00 sijil, and the payment will be RM 180.00 (RM 175+RM 5 for Islamic services charge) for 25 years. The payment will be deducted automatically from my Maybank2u account.

My question are;
1 - Is it recommended to get this package? I am somehow prefer this one instead of manually adding the money into ASB due to busy-ness.

2 - If I count correctly, RM 175 x 12 months x 25 years = RM 52,500 (EXCLUDING 8.00% bonus [consider the mimimum rate for example]).
So what does this actually mean? I pay RM 175 per month for 25 years but I only get RM 30,000 instead of RM 52,500? Or I am missing something?


I don't have chance to ask the second question because our meeting was interrupted by personal business and also just thought about that on the way home.


Please kindly advise ya.
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post Jun 28 2013, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 28 2013, 08:38 PM)
what is the ASB loan interest rate?
This is a Skim Mesti Kaya for Bumiputera ver limited downside.
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Hi,

I am not sure about the interest rate. However, very limited downside as in very good thing?
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post Jun 28 2013, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(titanic_crash @ Jun 28 2013, 11:16 PM)
u will get the 30K in full at the end of 25 years...in addition, you are entitle for the dividend and bonus every year until the 25th year...
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I understand that, but based on my monthly payment for 25 years, shouldn't I get RM 52,500* (excluding the dividen or bonus)?

* RM 175 x 12 months x 25 years.
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post Jun 29 2013, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jun 29 2013, 12:58 AM)
If you still insist on getting your RM52,500, why don't you have monthly salary deduction of RM175 for ASB (confirm you get RM52,500 after 25years). Just go to ASNB office & ask them about the salary deduction thing.  biggrin.gif
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I am asking this particular question in this particular thread in case someone also using this method for his/her ASB.
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post Jun 29 2013, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jun 29 2013, 08:55 AM)
to make everything simple, let's make a few variables as constant. they are:

1. ASB return @ 8% / yr
2. BLR fixed @ 6.85%
3. BLR - 1.85% for the whole loan tenure

whatever the amount and length of loan you choose, you will definitely earn:

8% - (6.85% - 1.85%) = 3%

to answer your question:

1. Yes & No. depending on your financial commitment. if you take an ASB loan, your chances to secure a housing / car loan in the future may or may not be affected by your existing ASB loan

2. you haven't included the loan interest amount. this means that in the 30 yr tenure, the total interest is 22,500 for a 30k loan. in contrast with your ASB investment:

Assuming that you do NOT disturb, i.e. take out any dividend earned:

Year Total
1 30,000
2 32,400
3 34,992
4 37,791
5 40,815
6 44,080
7 47,606
8 51,415
9 55,528
10 59,970
11 64,768
12 69,949
13 75,545
14 81,589
15 88,116
16 95,165
17 102,778
18 111,001
19 119,881
20 129,471
21 139,829
22 151,015
23 163,096
24 176,144
25 190,235
by year 25, you'll have 190k

in contrast with the 22,500 interest charged, you earned a nett sum of rm167,500 over the 25 years
edit: changed the years from 30 to 25
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I thank you for your explanation as well as time consumed to enlighten me on this issue for start and in advance.

1 - Are we talking about CCRIS, that will kacau me during my house and/or car loan?

2 - If I agree to proceed with this loan, it mean that I will have RM 30,000 credited into my account, and start receiving 8%* dividend per year? And I am paying back to Maybank RM 175 (+RM 5) for 25 years to clear this RM 30,000 loan? Is it the idea?

2.1 - Based on your calculation, by 25 years (based on RM 30,000 loan - if Question 2's answer is yes), I will have nett RM 167,500 within 25 years, and it will be 100% mine?

2.2 - The staff did said that "once you completed the payment for 25 years, you can claim your sijil worth of RM 30,000 in this particular branch". This is the point where I start to confused; I can't integrate the idea of Question 2.1 with her statement.


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EDIT : adding some points.
EDIT2 : Bolding Question 2.2, for better emphasization.

This post has been edited by Mr.Docter: Jun 29 2013, 11:01 AM
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post Jun 29 2013, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jun 29 2013, 09:01 AM)
As someone mentioned before, why no auto-deduct rm 175 per month until 30 years? let's make a comparison for that (this is a very simple and not too accurate calculations, i can do a more accurate one, but it takes my time, and someone hs to pay for my time)

assuming all variables remain constant, and RM 175 x 12 = RM 2,100 per year is added

1 2,100
2 4,368
3 6,817
4 9,463
5 12,320
6 15,405
7 18,738
8 22,337
9 26,224
10 30,422
11 34,956
12 39,852
13 45,140
14 50,851
15 57,019
16 63,681
17 70,875
18 78,646
19 87,037
20 96,100
21 105,888
22 116,459
23 127,876
24 140,206
25 153,522

you'll end up with 153k at the end of the 25 yr tenure, vs 167k if you take the loan

of course this is just a simple variable, and hasn't included the real life calculations of taking the lowest amounf of the month into the dividend calculation (which will make the final amount lesser)
edit: changed 30 yrs to 25 yrs calculations
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Thank you lucifah for the comparison.

On the bolded statement, the calculation proves that the loan is relatively more profitable within 25 years.

1 - The PROS of this method (not applying for RM 30k loan) are I will not have problem with applying for future loan for car and house, yes? Do I have any other major PRO with this method?

2 - The CONS is since my starting capital is low, hence my dividen will be not as much as with the help of RM 30,000 loan. Apart from this sole point, do I have any other major CONS with this method?


EDIT : typo.

This post has been edited by Mr.Docter: Jun 29 2013, 10:59 AM
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post Jun 30 2013, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jun 29 2013, 06:02 PM)
Correct thread for ASB but wrong thread for ASB loan  doh.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/667676 (ASB loan Thread)  biggrin.gif
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Thank you for pointing me on the right direction! biggrin.gif
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post Jun 30 2013, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(barneysteinsson @ Jun 29 2013, 11:05 AM)
if u do have asb loan and u pay it promptly, it will make your ccris record nicer and asb loan wont be counted during your monthly commitment calculation
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 29 2013, 04:44 PM)
From my understand most of the bank would ignore the ASB as a monthly commitment as they knows that the dividend incomes is enough to cover it.
Banks pay more attention to mortgage/ credit card/ personal loan commitment.
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Thanks for the tips! Nice to know that.

Also <RM200 per month solely for this is not a burden, to be honest, even as a student nowadays. Anyhow I do hope it wont limit my possible loan for house/car soon in future.
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post Jun 30 2013, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jun 29 2013, 06:31 PM)
1. bank will take your ASB loan as one of your commitments, so you will have reduced limites

2. u got it wrong. the bank will issue you an ASB CERTIFICATE worth 30k. they will HOLD the cert for you as collateral against your loan

2.1 yes. 137,500 is in the form of dividend, in your acc while another 30k is in certificate form

2.2 see my no 2. they will surrender the cert to you once you clear the loan
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Hi,

2 - Even if they hold the cert, what will written in my ASB book soon? If I am not mistaken, the minimum needed to open an ASB account is RM 10, and for example I bank in RM 10 into my account, it will written only RM 10 OR it will written RM 30,010.00?

If only RM 10, the dividen of 8% will be from RM 10 instead of RM 30,000 yes?

2.1 and 2.2 are perfectly clear now, thank you! wub.gif


QUOTE(lucifah @ Jun 29 2013, 06:34 PM)
1. you will have more difficulties  or maybe easier to loan

for most cases, your available nett income is lesser after minusing your loan, so you will have lower loan limit

for my case (isolated ones), servicing the loan lets other banks know i am a good paymaster. it's not a matter of being able to afford the loan or not, it's more like if you can have loan history or not (they call it credit profiling)

2. see my first sentence from my first reply. whatever you do, having the loan will earn you additional +3% should all variables remain

cons? mayhaps you default the loan due to suddenly being unemployed or something.
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Alright I understand now, thanks!
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post Jun 30 2013, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jun 30 2013, 12:29 PM)
ur book will be written as RM 10

ur 30k is in cert form

when dividends come, it will be based on RM 30,010

the dividend will be refelcted in your book

the cert will be 30k from day 1 until year 25
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Thanks! I understand the whole concept now. You are my hero! biggrin.gif
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post Jul 1 2013, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(barneysteinsson @ Jun 30 2013, 11:42 PM)
the loan must be more than 1 year than u can ignore it. ASB loan will come with special codes in CCRIS so we know when to ignore it in the commitment
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 1 2013, 12:17 AM)
this is new info. can you confirm it?

although i've seen a few cases where a person with 200k asb loan over 20yrs can still manage to get a 300k home financing
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I did some reading few days back, saying majority of young Malay that have a lack of knowledge in loan, CCRIS etc having a major difficulties for house/car loan application because they applied 200k loan and the monthly payment delayed - thus showing a bad payment string on their CCRIS.
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post Jul 4 2013, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(titanic_crash @ Jul 3 2013, 07:02 PM)
i can confirm that lasb under mayban islamic, there is no locking period anymore

however, under mayban conventional, there is 2 years lock-in period..
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Yep this is true. The same information was given to me yesterday during applying my 30k loan.

Thank you sifu lucifah and others for clarifying all facts and indirectly support me to step into this world! biggrin.gif
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post Jul 20 2013, 12:02 PM

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Hello!

Received all my official letter regarding ASB loan last week. Funny when I revised back their compulsory document, it said that payslip is needed but I don't provide any since not working yet laugh.gif

Anyway, after I registered and linked my ASB account to Maybank, it mention as Active. Means all system good to go now?

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post Jul 20 2013, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 20 2013, 12:04 PM)
that's good. it means they have processed the loan. just the paper documents will be on their way.
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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 20 2013, 12:05 PM)
Yes.. Good to go..  nod.gif
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Nice, thanks for the verification!

Also may I know how to pay the monthly loan in advance via Maybank2u? I forgot the method said by the Mrs that conduct my case doh.gif
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post Jul 20 2013, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 20 2013, 12:06 PM)
docter, what's your interest rate for the loan? tenure?
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I only take the longest tenure with smallest loan blush.gif

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RM 30,000 | 25 years | RM 175 + RM 5/month | BLR - 1.65% bagi keseluruhan tempoh pembayaran.


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