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beer8bottles
post Apr 30 2012, 04:52 PM

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Hi, I need some advise.
Can someone teach me how to prime a caister filter?
I'm using Taiyo 1200.

I filled up the canister with water, and locked the motor head on. The motor is running but it's not sucking water from the tank into the canister.

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post Apr 30 2012, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Apr 30 2012, 05:58 PM)
first things to check , are you plugin the inlet tube in the the right place ?(inlet tube wrongly plug into outlet slot). I did that sometimes  biggrin.gif .
and did you using chiller ?
My eheim 2213 need clear out the air in the canister first before she can push water through the chiller and back to the tank(reason is my canister is underpowered).
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After reading so many online "how to prime a canister filter" questions, I realized that the in and out valves were closed..
I thought it was for locking the pipes... =_=
The canister filter is working perfectly now.

By the way, does anyone know where I can get clear polycarbonate pipes? Planing to make a few rain bars. smile.gif
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post Apr 30 2012, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Apr 30 2012, 07:29 PM)
you got the canister for RM150 ? pls give some review of it. Kind of interested in getting one.
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I bought it second hand for RM 100, still in very good condtion.
The specs:

Taiyo 1200
1200L/hour

I'm using it for my 2.5ft tank. It's rather powerful. It'd be suitable for a 3ft tank. I plan to get another one. The motor runs very quietly.
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post Apr 30 2012, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Apr 30 2012, 08:37 PM)
Taiyo is a good brand. i'm using the 1000 for my 4ft tank. can clean but its a slower cycle la.. 1200CF model is better and you can adjust the out valve to suit the waterflow if you find it too powerful. even my 1000CF i find it very strong and creates big currents at the top....

rm100 is a very good buy indeed. i bought my 1000cf for rm120 but is new la...

if you cant get the canister to pump water, you can manually 'start' it my pressing VERY hard on the taiyo brand on the top of canister. it will suck the water in. but like arrow said, please don't plug in the wrong inlet and outlet on the canister.... rainbars can be bought at LFS but i don't know how u r going to split the 1 outlet to multiple outlets to the rainbar(s)...

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I initially did try pressing very hard on the circular knob(?). On the Taiyo website it said it was called a priming valve and it can be pressed. I tried pressing but nothing happened. So I didn't try any further in case it broke or got damaged.

How much will a new Taiyo 1200 cost? Planing to get another one. My fish keeps damaging the submersible pump's power head.

As for the rain bars, I went to all the LFS in Puchong but none sells them. One LFS said that they can order it, but it's going to be very costly. sad.gif
So I thought I'd make my own. Just need a clear tube and drill some holes in it.
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post Apr 30 2012, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Apr 30 2012, 10:11 PM)
oh.. tat one called priming valve.. quite high tech name.. hihi..

its like starting engine... need multiple times. it can be frustrating so remember to turn the inlet and outlet valve to "stop" or "shut" position when you are cleaning your filter. it makes it easier to start the unit. its very noisy if the water doesn't flow through the filter but once it start running... fuh... silent all the way...
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Does your priming valve move when you press it? Nothing happens to mine. Maybe it's stuck.
And thanks for the tip. It was noisy when I first started the pump. I thought it was faulty but after the water began flowing, it was silent.

QUOTE(jctasoga @ Apr 30 2012, 10:11 PM)
wat kind of fish damages the submersible pump?!  shocking.gif
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This kind of fish:
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This one bit the wiring but luckily the electrical leak was minor. I have another smaller one that carries sand in its mouth and makes a small mountain on the submersible pump's head. The sand got sucked into the filter head and destroyed the propeller. The smaller fish spoilt 3 pump heads and the bigger fish has spoilt one (as it is in a bigger tank, the filter head also cost quite a bit =_=)

QUOTE(jctasoga @ Apr 30 2012, 10:11 PM)
rainbars yes you need to custom make if you can't find anything suitable. maybe those white PVC is enough? grey ones look a bit untidy... after u make the rainbars, then u need to get the clips and suction cup to hold the rainbars... quite headache actually... rclxub.gif  well, if you like DIY, its quite fun to do it  whistling.gif
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Yes, I do like DIY. And tomorrow would be a perfect day for it biggrin.gif
The grey ones are...unsightly. I did think of using that at first but then... no. Not a nice view for the tank. Maybe I'll use a clear hose and melt holes into it. It'd be like a flexible rain bar. The only problem would be closing off the end part.



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post Apr 30 2012, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Apr 30 2012, 11:36 PM)
can try putting the water pump above the substrate?
my tilapia just broke my 2k L/h pump last week by putting those substrate in it by trying to bury the pump, now i just stick the pump on the glass very far away from the substrate..

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Hahahhaha! Looks like your tilapia and my knifefish can be very good friends. I checked online to see if the fish is stressed but I didn't come across anything. Perhaps its their hobby.


The pump in its tank is about 6 inches above the substrate, but it still can manage to spoil it. That fish is just... I dunno. It is bent on destroying power heads mad.gif

I set up the canister filter for its tank. So far, it inspected the outlet suction head but didn't do anything. Perhaps there is no flat surface for it to built small hills of sand, so its ignoring the piping. biggrin.gif


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post May 1 2012, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ May 1 2012, 02:15 AM)
i think beer8bottles is a She.
Wonder how many weird fishes this 2 fella keeping , Tilapia 'pun ada'.
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Hahaha, yup. I'm a she. The nickname for this forum was due to my email address (which was due to one of my other hobbies, collecting liquor bottles...hence the very gender confusing nick).


QUOTE(jctasoga @ May 1 2012, 06:49 AM)
bro arrow, he or she doesnt mind. got female planter sure makes it more interesting....

oh yeah, about the priming valve, if you press hard enough, it will be 'looser next time'. its a bit hard to press after long time no use i guess...
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Yeah, it'd be nice to know there are other girls who like aquatics. If they were to decom, I would definately buy from them. biggrin.gif


QUOTE(LuQEE @ May 1 2012, 09:54 AM)
my second tank is a predator planted tank la haha
i wonder why not many ppl do a predator planted tank, now i know why  doh.gif , its boring and frustrating as hell

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People don't do predator planted tank because the fish can be a real rascal and uproot everything. I tried with cambomba, the fish not only uprooted it, it tore the plants to pieces (almost clogging the filter head). But I would like to make a planted tank with only grass (I don't know what the grass/plant is called). It'd be like a field with one big fish in the tank. smile.gif

Question:

Can I use sand as substrate for planting? Example, I plant the grass in the sand and supplement with liquid fertliser and other minerals. Is it possible?
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post May 6 2012, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ May 6 2012, 07:07 PM)


my poor lad, mayan cichlid from normal colour to whitish

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OH! So that's what it is. My brother caught one a month ago and thought it was a mutated tilapia mix jaguar cichlid.
He told me to feed it to the lungfish, but now it gets to live. Gonna go catch some more tongue.gif


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post May 7 2012, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ May 7 2012, 12:18 AM)
want mine? need to let him go since he always quarrel with my oscy~  sad.gif  and always tear my plants for fun, especially my java fern  cry.gif

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Can also. How big is it? Mine is about 10cm. It bullied a 15cm peacock bass to death.. =_=
It's not supposed to be that territorial, right? It's my first time coming across such fish. It hides behind the pump head all day, and only comes out at night when it is dark. I think that's when it commited the murder.
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post May 8 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ May 8 2012, 05:21 AM)
110w, your java fern got sunburn, i using 13w on her only.
Just finish clean up the RM20 terra tank ,, very very dirty.
very well worth RM20  drool.gif  , Like the light most, should have buy more.
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That was 20 bucks? What the heck? I should have gone. cry.gif




By the way, does anyone here know how much a custom made 8ft x 3ft x 3ft tank would cost? And which company provides such service around PJ ?
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post May 8 2012, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ May 8 2012, 02:10 PM)
Indeed , RM20 whole set(Light set, deco , internal pump & terra tank), first day was at 50% off from RM174.90 normal price, almost brought it that day, lucky didn't , last days when they told me twenty only i don't believe it, i ask 2 more staff to confirm. Just brought 2 set.  doh.gif if i know the light set so nice i would have brought 5 set.  RM20 not enough to buy the light set alone. The tank is of good quality , glass is quite thick.
But it took me almost 45min to disinfect and polish the tank clean.
I think i PM you to go on the first day.  tongue.gif

Try ask NA at Subang SS19 for the custom tank. Talk to the boss mr.yee , not the aunty.
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Yeah, I got your PM, but wasn't so free at that time. I thought of going on the last day, but then changed my mind. Then I saw your RM 20 tank... so regretful now. I'll wait for the next sales then.
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post May 8 2012, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(deric79k @ May 8 2012, 09:22 PM)
sorry for cant take full tank pic, actually i place my three tank tgt , i on my house fan 24 hours, maybe it help


Added on May 8, 2012, 9:23 pm
sure can get , just go natrual auqatic at subang jaya , look for MR YEE ,
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My house fan is also turned on 24/7 but my tanks are still at room temperature. No difference. Why don't you share your secret? I'm sure many people would love to have a tank chilled with only a fan. No need to buy expensive chillers.
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post May 8 2012, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(yweising @ May 8 2012, 11:21 PM)
i believe every1 also can make it if the tank is kept in the middle room of a big house without any direct sunlight to any part of the room, eg. like the underground room, even with a single fan u will feel like an aircond room  tongue.gif
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Errr.. typical Malaysian homes don't have underground rooms.
Mine is also in the living room, that's why I found it strange. How can the temperature drop to 25C just by fan. Usually, fan only reduces the temperature 1 -2 C only. Is it aquarium fan + living room fan, or just living room fan alone?
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post May 9 2012, 12:14 PM

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I read the comments above and deduced this:


Water evaporation = cooled tank ?


But don't you guys feel like it's very troublesome to top up the evaporated water every day, especially if the water loss is 2 - 5 litres per day?

In one week it would be 14 - 35 L water used up. @_@
Is there a method to prevent water loss while using the fan? (On extremely hot days, I drop a block of ice into my 3ft tank to cool my fish down. Trying to find a different method.)
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post May 9 2012, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(ciohbu @ May 9 2012, 12:20 PM)
Water evaporation = cooled tank, partly correct... water evaporate with heat, that's why it will lower ur tank temp
same theory why u sweat

well. u can get a auto refill machine if u got extra budget =P no hobby is simple and 100% no maintenance  tongue.gif

ice will cause sudden shock to ur fish/shrimps and also plants, temp suddenly drop and rise back...
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I guess the least troublesome method would be to use a chiller. But then again, chillers don't come cheap.

I thought of something like this:
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Water evaporates, condenses, flows back into the tank. Like a rain cycle. Could it work?
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post May 9 2012, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(ciohbu @ May 9 2012, 01:06 PM)
it will work if the outside of ur glass is COOLER than inside.. if no condensation will not happen

but u can use a piece of glass/acrylic like that to minimize the water lost, thats what i do with my tank, cover the front half with acrylic, let the other half with fan open  icon_rolleyes.gif

cover half also save my tank from dust and insects  rclxub.gif
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Where do you buy the acrylic sheet from?



QUOTE(jctasoga @ May 9 2012, 01:06 PM)
condensation is meant to bring the heat away from the tank. you're just introducing it back to the water to make it warmer... my thought only...

covering the tank will make the tank warmer as the warm air is trapped inside the aquarium. this is what i believe is happening to my covered aquarium. i opened up the hood covers so that condensation will not happen... but i still loosing water at a slower rate of 2-3 liters per week. temp around 28-29c no fan and a 4ft tank.
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I thought of covering only half the tank.
So, half of the evaporated water condenses and returns to the tank, the other half simply evaporates into the atmosphere.
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post May 13 2012, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ May 13 2012, 11:39 PM)
err ciohbu, what about their stand? or cabinet? or should it placed on wall? i mean in a wall?
the second pic is ure tank?  brows.gif

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I vote for "In the wall".
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Can anyone recommand me a reliable mini external canister filter for a 2.5ft tank? Or for a 3ft tank (only half filled with water)?

Thank you.

This post has been edited by beer8bottles: May 13 2012, 11:56 PM
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post May 14 2012, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ May 13 2012, 11:57 PM)
eheim 2213 brows.gif
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2213 is too powerful.
I need a mini one for the newt tank.
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post May 14 2012, 11:38 PM

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Wow...overnight and more than 3 pages already... This thread is so alive. I've to go back and search for the answers. tongue.gif
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post May 15 2012, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(deric79k @ May 15 2012, 12:00 AM)
wat answer u neeD?
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About the mini canister filter. Decided to go for ISTA as it is smaller size than the Eheim.


QUOTE(LuQEE @ May 15 2012, 12:27 AM)
still looking for your suitable filter? eheim classic 2211 is ok ...
you still havent post ure newts latest tank in the newt thread  brows.gif 

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Hey, I have posted the pictures already. You only didn't see them. Hmph. tongue.gif
Did you take the salamanders home?


QUOTE(Malformed @ May 15 2012, 03:27 PM)
I think sang gemok meant something like this.

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http://www.3reef.com/forums/i-made/diy-chiller-42547.html
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Everyone's into DIY chillers now rclxms.gif
I'd like to learn more too. I like DIY-ing things.

And that chiller (fridge), how did they drill a hole into it? I was thinking of doing this before, but my dad said "Don't be stupid."
I am persisting on being stupid because a second hand chiller (fridge) is a lot cheaper than a second hand aquarium chiller. Plus, I could move the frozen blood worms out of my mom's freezer.

Do you use aquarium sealant to seal the tubings in place so as not to let the cold air from the fridge escape? Is there a more detailed diagram of how it is done?

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