HI everyone,
currently i am applying job through jobstreet,
and in jobstreet, there is a function that you can view how many times your profile been viewed by the employer which the job you apply..

and my profile was viewed several times, from 3 to 7 times..
what actually in the mind of those employer viewing so many times but never give me a ring...
and i deadly need a job.....
wondering... please advice... thanks...

They wan to compare wit others. Teruskan usaha. Jngn putus harapan.

Nah, profile views aren't really good indicators of whether they'll call you or not. I often get profile views too, usually between 2-4. Extreme ones like 9 times happen too, but rarely.

The best bet is when they start calling you. Though I do notice that, they have higher tendency of calling if they view you many times. But it's not a guaranteed thing.

pay money to the jobstreet using maybank2u acc...then apply the job..sure ur profile will be view by the big2 company..ur resume will b on top..

but..when u go for the interview session..its up to u to manipulate the interviewer to select u as their employee..

Thanks guy, Lol, kinda worry about my application, normally when the employer will contact you after you submit your application? i have been waiting for around 2 weeks to 1 month already..

should i move on or keep waiting?
and for the priority stuff.. i hav no money to pay for that kind of services... ><

TS, dun wait for that one particular application.

apply for other jobs as this will increase your chances of getting a job..stay positive

sometimes i get zero views but kena called.

Apala, Dell viewed my applications like a gazillion times but then send me rejection email haha.

Flextronics look see look see but never call

Don't bother much about views la

jobstreet offers this kind of services?

I applied for a job under Jobstreet last month, just realized that when I log in to Jobstreet, under My Application, it stated:

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Received:The employer has received your application.
Viewed X Time(s): The employer has viewed your resume.
Scheduled for InterviewThe employer has scheduled you for an interview.
Unsuccessful: Your application is unsuccessful.
Job Closed: The position has been filled or closed. Unless the employer has contacted you, it is advisable to consider your application as unsuccessful.
No Status: Employer has chosen to process applications offline.

What does it mean by Unsuccessful? My application is unsuccessful??

Yup. Simple as that.

But..wait, again why does it states that The employer has scheduled you for an interview?

I just applied like not more than a month ago and yet they process candidates so fast?

Yup. Try to apply directly to the company's email. jobstreet is like everyone main spam applications. So the employers just couldn't be bothered to go through all.

I dunno. A few of my applications were listed as Unsuccessful and for one them, I actually received a rejection email. So, yeah...

It is very confusing, as further down it states : Unless the employer has contacted you, it is advisable to consider your application as unsuccessful.

So anyone has faced this situation before?

If its unsuccessful, means it is unsuccessful a.k.a your CV got rejected.

Normally You guys upload the Cv o fill in your Cv in jobstreet site?



This post has been edited by OMG!: Mar 2 2012, 09:17 PM

apply via jobstreet...if the job advertisement got address and mail...mail the employer directly with resume and cover letter...that will increase the chances of getting a job...
priority application also is good for investment...it may increase ur chances of getting an interview...good luck

jobstreet is a tool to spam job applications for free, you can see many positions, especially those in MNC one, even janitor small kitty positions also got >100 applicants

by paying RM45-70, you get to list your resume on top of the rest who do not pay the money to enjoy the priority services

and also, many employers they do not bother to update the job application status, however one of their favorite status is "no status", which means even they have already closed the hiring, they also keep it as "no status" forever

just relax. and stay calm,

Because it takes some time to process all the hundreds of candidates, that's why HR needs to be efficient - if not they lose good candidates to other firms

I dont really get the the ' tricks' in jobstreet, and am not interested so.

As long as some of the jobs required us to apply via Jobstreet, I will be feel obliged to do so, i suppose everyone does right?

But the problem is, the application is so confusing right now! with referring to my question posted before.=(

Doubting my status as pending or not successful! =(

I think you can consider yourself as being rejected. No harm to start eyeing other jobs. I guess if they really schedule an interview with you, it's a bonus....!!! I used to get the same status as yours..... maybe I din't bother too much?? >> but for sure they didn't call me for interview....


To answer TS question, I've faced the same situation before. They view my profile for 7 times and never give a call, until 2.5 months after I apply. They scheduled an interview and I got the job. Recently, just know from the seniors that they are having hard times to hire people - with so many candidates need to be interviewed, and we (with my another colleague who join on the same day) are among the last who were being called for the interview.

But don't really rely on how many times your profile being viewed. Just try and apply as many as you can. From experience, if you can get 5 phone calls out of 10 company that you applied, that's consider really good. Good luck and all the best!!

Just my 2 cent

Just apply for Priority Application. Not too expensive if you're seriously seeking for new jobs. All of my jobs (except the first one) used Priority Application to get them.

I always used job street when finding a job. 3/5 times I succeed in going for an interview. 1/5 I was rejected as I don't have enough exp, 1/5 there was no news so I assume unsuccessful. 3/5 I went for interview, 2/5 I got the job, 1/5 now is still pending for 2nd interview. It's not like u need to pay to get priority, if ur resume sucks, then it sucks to get a job.

But then the job i apply is nestle management trainees. don't tell me a MNC like nestle doing the hiring process like this? there stated 1100 applications, but takkan la, within 2 weeks, they have filter every candidates out? and i guess how many are called for the interview?

Or rather is it a mistake in my application? or jobstreet? hmm....

OMG!,

Who say so???

That is what NORMAL PEOPLE do and they get stuck behind hundred of job applicants in the HR process.

Meanwhile, SMART PEOPLE use their social network to bypass the HR system and contact the Hiring Manager directly.

Other than my first job, all my other jobs through 20+ years are via my social network.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Mar 4 2012, 09:14 AM

I was a bit taken aback, since this is my first time application through Jobstreet, and is a first job which I look forward to work permanently right after my fresh graduation that i have ever applied.

This is really a joke for me. I am blurred!

are you fresh graduate? if i am not mistaken, the fee for priority application is RM75 for fresh graduate. You can try if u really desperate for jobs, i have introduce priority application for my friends and they are able to get jobs within 1-2 months after enrolled for that services.

I was using priority application before and the result was i would say very good, have been interviewed in 2-3 companies and being offered by 2 companies.

And also, you may start to register for LinkedIn, it similar to facebook, but more to professional and career search. you can start from there. hopefully you can find your dream job.

I never ever know there are this priority services. Yes! I will be a fresh grads soon! Guess I have to take in some efforts in getting to know all this ' TIPS' for jobs application!

Btw, Really hope My application won't be just turned down like that due to the ignorance and it is so simply unfair!

=(

for many people out there, through their "social network", they can only go as far as having their resume delivered to the hiring manager's email inbox, which the final decision still lies in hiring manager's hands.

OMG!,

What is UNFAIR about this?? You are TOO LAZY to take EXTRA EFFORT to beat your competition. Hence, you LOSE.

It is VERY FAIR!!!

This is THE SAME as people doing extra review and get BETTER EXAM RESULT.

Dreamer

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Added on March 4, 2012, 11:12 amlolip0p7,

So, they are ONE STEP ahead of hundred of resume / CV stuck at HR / Jobstreet system. And, those resumes / CV may never be read by the Hiring Manager.

That is a BIG STEP...

Dreamer




This post has been edited by dreamer101: Mar 4 2012, 11:12 AM

Folks,

By the way, as a Hiring Manager, I always hire people from my social network FIRST. Only if I failed in that attempt, I look at resume / CV from HR.

And, as far as I know, that is how most Hiring Managers do their hiring too.

Dreamer

Now I got it, I believe a lots of fresh grads will end up in a situation like me. without knowing the ' proper' or shall i put it as ' advantageous' or smarter way like what u guys have ruled out in applying for a job.

I called the HR once before, asking her about the MT programme. I did ask her about the other possibility that whether i could directly send my application to the company, she told me better to apply it via Jobstreet!

I don't understand what it has to do with Jobstreet, so what Dreamer101 said is partly right that I don't take initiatives to make the 'review' .

Anyway, now is not the time for all the regret and grumbling. Guess I better call the HR tomorrow!

for a start, you can surf the Jobs Enlistments section of this forum, and look for threads that are looking for new hire, many of them will help to forward your resume to either HR or their supervisors. Another way is to ask your friends to help you FWD your resume too

This is how I got my previous job

OMG!,

I called the HR once before, asking her about the MT programme. I did ask her about the other possibility that whether i could directly send my application to the company, she told me better to apply it via Jobstreet!


Why is it SO HARD for you to understand that some people are LAZY?? Are you born YESTERDAY?? They do not want to take the EXTRA EFFORT for you.

<<Guess I better call the HR tomorrow!>>

Why would HR want to entertain YOU?? Aka, an unknown stranger??

And, WHY would HR tell you that they are USELESS and how to bypass them?? That will put them out of their job.

Dreamer

Dreamer I think u are far too hard and can I say ignorant of fresh grad... I know that u are a veteran..still.. Ppl need to start somewhere and that somewhere will be job street. I know none of the hr ppl and yet I was chosen based on the fact that my resume attracts them for a start and my interview impress them enough to offer me a job.... For TS, don't give up its not the end of the world if u didn't get a job u wanted as long u tried yr best. One door close is another door open

bafukie,

I am NOT HARDER than what the REAL WORLD will do to THEM. And, it can ONLY get worse. We have a flood of fresh graduates and the growth in Malaysia is STAGNANT and / or slow down. Either they start getting SMART and learn to COMPETE or they DO NOT SURVIVE.

Whining is not going to help...

Dreamer

Actually what dreamer said is right. There is a reason why people ask to apply thru jobstreet and there is a reason why people ask to apply thru email. Because its easy for them to manage the applications and their database.

Anyone with Employer Jobstreet ID can share what the interface and features looks like?

Thank you

So, in this case, are u implying that those who are required to apply through Jobstreet should bypass it directly to HR by ' social network'?

What is the point of having a jobstreet then?

Yes, this is really true...it doesn't really matter how many times they view our CV, what matters is, if they will call us up for interview or not..!!

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Added on March 5, 2012, 5:37 pmBut what now I dislike most is, the companies which advertised their openings, tend to name themselves as "Company Confidential".

This can really confuse us, in sense of, when the HRD from that particular company calls us, we tend not to recall the particular job we have applied to.

When we ask the HR personnel to repeat from which company they are calling from, they tend to get frustrated instead...to them, we seem not to know what job we have applied to...but, they didn't know they have been so mysterious to tag themselves as "Company Confidential"..!!

This post has been edited by stephy22: Mar 5 2012, 05:43 PM

everyone is just so hot discussing how jobstreet works...why there aren't any jobstreet staff who explain to them here?

Jobstreet is made to make money. It is not owned by govt and definitely not owned by your parents to make sure you get a job.

Harlo, alot ppl get the job from jobstreet.
if you cant get the job, just you no qualified or u aren't pay enof effort for it.

Some company will wait till deadline/closed then only start manage the resume and start calling , arrange for interview.

Try and try, dun give up, sure u can get a job.

Yah... And that comment is damn shallow to begin with. Many got hired because of job street mind you

hmm... need advice, i am local uni undergraduate with cgpa 3.6++ major in finance, and 1 month ago already start to apply internship thru js and dircet email to the hr..

till now, no respond at all....
what should i do to get a placement...

some interesting discussion going on here...all i can say is do practice moderation. to clarify a bit more on jobstreet...jobstreet, jobsdb, jenjobs,monster are all what we call job boards. job boards serves and acts as a "medium" between and an employer who has a vacancy and a potential employee who needs a job, want to change job. most companies uses online job boards for their sole purpose of connecting to job seekers and most jobseekers uses job boards to apply for jobs. sometimes when you call a company, they'll direct you to apply thru the job board because they consolidate their hiring over thru the job board. once there's enough of applications, the hr will screen thru and pass on the resume's that they feel qualify based on their experience and knowledge to the hiring managers. some hiring managers dont use hr but instead does the shortlisting themselves. now sometimes you dont get even a call and you see those status updates, views etc. its because like some said earlier on, there're like hundreds of other applicants too, so generally, the best of the lot are picked out. Using their forms or their template to create your resume would be a good start as the system generally recognizes your input from there instead of just uploading your resume of your own kind which maybe an impressive one but not to the system as it wouldnt be able to recognize your skills when trying to match them together with job requirements as advertised using the system the employer uses. so an advice, especially for those new to using online job applications, do fill in their template as complete as possible with all the details you can think off especially the professional projects, achievements etc. list all that you've done down in a categorized way and elaborate from there on each project/work you've done. also take a photo using ur smartfon and upload it to their site. its good to have one, a study in US showed resume's with photo's often gets viewed to kill the curiousity. its just a human thing. but please, dont use an FB photo or your partying photo, use a pro photo. also email address, try to maintain ur name only instead of things like cute.me@abc.com whcih is a real turn off to employers as they are looking for professionals. always keep in mind that the more info you put in, the more relevant you become. bottom line is that, these ppl who are looking at not only 1 job but like a couple more others have to go thru pages and pages of resumes. so by the time they've reached your's, your only hope is your resume that you've used to apply, you cant changed that now, so you're only hoping on that static page to land you the interview call. Hope this clarifies, and yea, dont fret and give up. apply to positions that you know you'll qualify, dont be trigger happy and apply to positions whcih you dont suit at all as it doesnt do anyone good. read the job desc and requirements properly before you apply. and if you're called up for an interview, please attend the interview. there's a very high number of candidates nowadays FFK the company that they're suppose to attend the interview simply because they're irresponsible. Hope this helps:)

i got call for interview from big ICT company, thank god. will try my best tomorrow. this the company i always wish could join as staff.

I get my first job using Jobstreet. TS are you still looking for job? My company have vacancy..

Wow, great advices, thanks for sharing...

WOW..ALL THE BEST..!!

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Added on March 7, 2012, 4:34 pmAny vacancy for secretarial position...??

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Added on March 7, 2012, 4:36 pmNever give up..!! Have faith in yourself..!!

It is easy to be said than done (coz I am facing it right now..lol)

All the BEST to you too..

This post has been edited by stephy22: Mar 7 2012, 04:36 PM

TS don't restrict yourself with just jobstreet. Try monster, jobsdb, and many others. Or you can try linkedin, another way to get the job as well.

It's a number game. Just apply more I guess. You chances will be better.

try calling the hr directly instead

Personally, I do not like to get into a Company through connections. As long as your resume is proper and outstanding, I don't see why you won't be shortlisted. A lot of time, Jobseekers submit very brief resumes. There is nothing much to look at, which is why it won't be selected. Try to put in details about your job, make sure you put in the keywords. If you are in a technical field like IT, put in your skill sets like PHP, ASP.Net, Java, etc. If you are not, put in the details of your daily job. If you are a fresh graduate, put in the projects that you do in college. A lot of time recruiters will discard those resumes that are brief because it just shows how unprofessional you are.

Like vyro12 mentioned,

"Using their forms or their template to create your resume would be a good start as the system generally recognizes your input from there instead of just uploading your resume of your own kind which maybe an impressive one but not to the system as it wouldnt be able to recognize your skills when trying to match them together with job requirements as advertised using the system the employer uses."

Another point to take into consideration is your expected salary. Don't put in unreasonable expected salary or you will risk the chance of being filtered out if the recruiter set limit for the salary. Do your research.

All the best.

most recruiters only bother to read the first 2 pages of your resume

some people are lazy when it comes to reading paragraph contents, what's more is the amount of resume that HR/recruitors have to go through each day

the keyword here is to be concise, straight to the point, only list out your capabilities/experiences which match the job requirements

That's true, it takes less than 30 seconds for me to know if this is the resume I want to read more about. But if there is nothing there, that also makes my decision a lot easier.

esaulk,

Conflict of interest spotted....

<<Personally, I do not like to get into a Company through connections. >>

If people BYPASS you, you will not have a job.

<<Another point to take into consideration is your expected salary. Don't put in unreasonable expected salary or you will risk the chance of being filtered out if the recruiter set limit for the salary. Do your research. >>

This is ASSUMING that the person is STUPID ENOUGH to put in expected salary.

So, what are you?? Another HR person??

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Mar 8 2012, 10:56 AM

I don't see where are the conflicts. People only bypass you if your resume do not attract them. If you are good enough, you don't even need connections to get into a Company. If you are introduced through connections but your skills are not up to expectations, you will end up getting discarded anyway. Unless, of course, the Company place their importance on connections rather than skill sets.

As for expected salary, Jobseekers have the right to put it there, especially those who do not want to consider anything below their estimated price range. It also gives the Company a hint of Jobseekers' expectation.

esaulk,

Are you or are you not a HR person?? Yes or no?? Easy enough question to answer...

There is no need for you to hide that...

It is OBVIOUS from your answer that where your interest is.

<<As for expected salary, Jobseekers have the right to put it there>>

It is STUPID for job seeker to put it in. It is not a right.. It is STUPIDITY. It makes the employer's job easier to give job seeker a lower offer.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Mar 8 2012, 11:16 AM

I don't see the need to answer you. That's why. And, for courtesy sake, when you ask someone who are them, you should start by introducing yourself first.

It is also obvious for me to see that you are giving out extreme opinions to Jobseekers and cannot seem to accept anything else except your own point of view.


By the way, every Company has its own standard when it comes to salary proposal. Unless, the Company do not respect their own employees.

This post has been edited by esaulk: Mar 8 2012, 11:24 AM

Hi all,

My name is Daryl and I'm from Jobstreet. Let me do my best to ask your question and concern. And by the way, if you want to interact with us, we have our own forum so that our team can answer your questions as best as possible.


http://forum.jobstreet.com/

The CV viewed refer to how many times the employer view your resume. If you have x number of views, means that the employer are really checking you out and even the hiring manager could be reading your resume. It means your chances of getting an interview is good but it is not a guarantee. We merely telling you what is going on. Employer could be reading a few resume and deciding which one to call for interview. Or maybe they have found the one they are looking for and decided not to interview the rest. The reason is many...But one thing is sure, if you got x no of view, it means that your CV is working for you!!!!! You have attract the attention of the employer with what you stated in your resume.

I have stress many many times to the jobseeker the importance of the resume. You spend 3-4 years studying your degree or you have been working for number of years, slaving from 9 to 9...but when its time to write your resume, some just spend 15 mins on it. It does not make sense. Resume is your ticket to a better job!! Its your marketing document. Its the first time you are been introduce to the employer. Please spend some time to write a kick ass resume that highlight your achievements and your deliverables of you current and previous jobs.

As for the perception of having a better chance of emailing your resume directly to the employer. Well, its really up to the employer choice on how they would like to process the application. But many prefer the application to go through Jobstreet as we provide a system for them to sort out and manage all the resume. Its easier for them to read, search and identify the right candidate for them. If you email to them, imagine yourself as the HR suddenly open your inbox and it has hundreds of people emailing their resume. Would you read them all?

I welcome any questions or suggestion for us to improve our system and our process. We truly want to help all jobseeker to find and get their next jobs but do understand you need to do your part too. If possible, please post it in our forum as we have a team there to address your questions.

This post has been edited by dwk2112: Mar 8 2012, 12:16 PM

esaulk,

I have 11K+ post on lowyat.net. Anyone that wants to know me can do a simple search. Meanwhile, you are giving out advice IN FAVOR of the employer but dare not admit that you are from HR.

To be precise, you are the NEW KID ON THE BLOCK for lowyat. You should introduce yourself before giving out advice.

<<By the way, every Company has its own standard when it comes to salary proposal.>>

And, they do not tell the applicant aka the salary range right out front. Meanwhile, they EXPECT the applicant to fill in EXPECTED SALARY?? How can that be FAIR??

<< It is also obvious for me to see that you are giving out extreme opinions to Jobseekers and cannot seem to accept anything else except your own point of view.>>>

Extreme from you aka HR / Employer point of view. In that case, it must be GOOD from employee aka applicant POV.

Dreamer

Thanks so much for you sharing, i learned a lot today..
and if you do no mind, can i ask about the priority services?
How it work, and how it can help us in finding job? it just merely put our resume to the top?

dwk2112,



<<If you email to them, imagine yourself as the HR suddenly open your inbox and it has hundreds of people emailing their resume.>>

+1

Do not e-mail resume to HR. It is USELESS. Plus, unless you are INTRODUCED to the Hiring Manager by someone, e-mailing resume to the hiring manager will not work either.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Mar 8 2012, 12:34 PM

peace.. dreamer and esaulk,
forum mean to be sharing, i learned a lot from you guys.. thanks

Priority services will do the following:

1. Push your application up. Meaning the employer will see your resume first
2. Highlight the resume to the employer
3. Email to inform the employer that this applicant is serious about the job as it is a paid services. There are a lot of spamming application and employer do not want to waste time and ended up that applicant are not serious about the job or the interview. Bear in mind, in Malaysia, we have a huge issue with jobseeker not showing up for a confirm interview (no show). And with priority services, it gives some form of reassurance for the employer

Hope i answer your question but if you need more information, feel free to ask or post in our forum

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Added on March 8, 2012, 2:03 pmYes, dreamer. Unless if someone refer to you, then emailing the resume is no harm as the person or HR expect it. Sorry that i din make it clear or i have misunderstood your original comment.

This post has been edited by dwk2112: Mar 8 2012, 02:07 PM

okay, thanks!

Hi Daryl,

Thanks alot for advice.

Meantime, I would just like to comment on the 'Company Confidential' advertisement which is quite annoying at times.

Sometimes, the employer from "Company Confidential' will call us, and expect us to know which Company there are calling from.

When I started asking them from which Company they are calling from, they sounded unhappy because they think we are not prioritizing our application.

Those Companies must understand also that we have applied many other jobs at the same time.

And I realised, lately, there are more and more of these advertisement of Company Confidential.

Any particular reason why these companies need to hide themselves??

Last but not least, we have stated our expected salary, and expect those companies who invite us for interview, must somehow or rather can meet such demand...but when we attend the interview, they will tell us they can't meet such expectations or what not..

If we can be blacklisted from ffk-ing an interview, why can't these companies be penalised for simply inviting the candidates when they know they can't meet our expectations???

Appreciate your kind and fair advice..


Cheers!!

Enough la.... I don't expect such answer from u the 11k poster. Like that is going mean anything. U can move aside if u can't stand ppl criticism. Likewise, we can stand aside if we don't like ur critics too.

what service is tat?..

Agree. There was one time, this "Confidential" employer called up, expecting me to know who they are. They admitted that they did not advertise with their actual name. Appointment set, and I politely asked them to send me the Job Scope and Requirements as per the one advertised (just simple copy+paste will do, fast and easy), and they seem offended. I mean, how the heck am I supposed to know which "Company Confidential" advert is the right one??? I usually read the advert again to prepare myself before going for interview for better reference and understanding.

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Exactly!! I've met enough employers who are not prepared to pay my expected salary, even though I stated it CLEARLY. It's fine if they wanna nego down just a little lower, but most of them actually intend to push WAY DOWN from the amount stated. Got me so damn turned off.

This post has been edited by ace.princess: Mar 9 2012, 12:59 AM

bafukie,

Do you or do you not have ANYTHING to contribute to this thread??

If not, WHY are you helping an HR person to offer BAD ADVICE to people so that employer can make lower offer??

What in it for you?? Are you another HR person??

Stop trolling...

WHY are you so BUSYBODY hurting people?? Aka, helping HR to make people earn less??

How many times that we had read on this forum that people filled in expected salary and then they find out that the company budgeted a lot more money for the job?? But, they got the lower offer because they got conned by the HR with the expected salary.

WHY should I be nice to people that make employee earn a lot less than their worth??

Which side are you on??

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Mar 9 2012, 03:52 AM

[quote=dreamer101,Mar 9 2012, 03:32 AM]bafukie,

Do you or do you not have ANYTHING to contribute to this thread??

If not, WHY are you helping an HR person to offer BAD ADVICE to people so that employer can make lower offer??

What in it for you??  Are you another HR person??

Stop trolling...

WHY are you so BUSYBODY hurting people?? Aka, helping HR to make people earn less??

How many times that we had read on this forum that people filled in expected salary and then they find out that the company budgeted a lot more money for the job?? But, they got the lower offer because they got conned by the HR with the expected salary.

WHY should I be nice to people that make employee earn a lot less than their worth??

Which side are you on??

Dreamer

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Added on March 9, 2012, 10:38 am[quote=ace.princess,Mar 9 2012, 12:58 AM]
Agree. There was one time, this "Confidential" employer called up, expecting me to know who they are. They admitted that they did not advertise with their actual name. Appointment set, and I politely asked them to send me the Job Scope and Requirements as per the one advertised (just simple copy+paste will do, fast and easy), and they seem offended. I mean, how the heck am I supposed to know which "Company Confidential" advert is the right one??? I usually read the advert again to prepare myself before going for interview for better reference and understanding.

Correct...that's what I normally do too...but please, sometimes, they just don't use their common sense...

As if, we apply one and only job and wait for their calls..

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Exactly!! I've met enough employers who are not prepared to pay my expected salary, even though I stated it CLEARLY. It's fine if they wanna nego down just a little lower, but most of them actually intend to push WAY DOWN from the amount stated. Got me so damn turned off.

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Yes, TOTALLY..!!

Just faced another situation yesterday, sometimes, I just feel like telling them off..!!

I don't think they know it takes alot of time and preparation for us to prepare for an interview...

And with high hopes and what not, it feels like we kena tsunami only once they mention they couldn't come out with our expectations...and my case yesterday, they pushed 1K LOWER...!!!!

This post has been edited by stephy22: Mar 9 2012, 10:38 AM

stephy22,

Who say YOU cannot do that?? Except, do not do it PUBLICLY or you get hit with defamation suit.

We (senior people) check out the employer and the hiring manager through our social network before we even apply for the job. And, we BLACKLISTED certain employers.

It is a small world. In each industry, everyone know everyone. Once that the news is out, anyone that is good will not work for those kind of employers.

Everything goes both ways.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Mar 9 2012, 11:00 AM

Yeah, we only share it among ourselves, i.e. colleagues in the same line..so, sometimes we do share stories on which companies who practise this kind of act..

Yup, it is a small world indeed. We may never know who we will bump into if we were to offend that person in the past...therefore, how unhappy we were when leaving a company, we must still leave in good hands...

Thanks for your advice..just at times, it can really frustrates us when we face this kind of situation. The recruiters / employers must always put themselves in our shoes (as if they will )

I always tell my friends, what goes around, comes around....

[quote=stephy22,Mar 8 2012, 05:58 PM]Hi Daryl,

Thanks alot for advice. 

Meantime, I would just like to comment on the 'Company Confidential' advertisement which is quite annoying at times.

Sometimes, the employer from "Company Confidential' will call us, and expect us to know which Company there are calling from.

When I started asking them from which Company they are calling from, they sounded unhappy because they think we are not prioritizing our application. 
 
Those Companies must understand also that we have applied many other jobs at the same time. 

And I realised, lately, there are more and more of these advertisement of Company Confidential. 

Any particular reason why these companies need to hide themselves?? 

Last but not least, we have stated our expected salary, and expect those companies who invite us for interview, must somehow or rather can meet such demand...but when we attend the interview, they will tell us they can't meet such expectations or what not..

If we can be blacklisted from ffk-ing an interview, why can't these companies be penalised for simply inviting the candidates when they know they can't meet our expectations??? 

Appreciate your kind and fair advice.. 
Cheers!!

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Believe me when i say we don't encourage company to advertise as Company Confidential. But there is some valid reason some company do that. For once, they do not want their competitor know that they are on a hiring mode. Some position are too sensitive to let the public know.usually CEO or President position.

However, when these company called up, you have all the right to ask for Company name and the detail of the job scope, etc etc. But there are many cases when the company put the name and when they called, the candidate ask...which company ar?? what position again?? Im sorry, i applied for many position and forgot which one already...Of course the employer not happy. Its like you taking up all the courage to call this girl that you like a lot and ended the girl respond was...which eric is this ar?? I know a lot of eric...kind of potong stim, right???

As for meeting expectation...yes, some companies are bad at this. Reason, miscommunication between the HR and the hiring manager on the salary for the position. Or they just want to squeeze you to work for lesser..etc etc....I do know that it feel like a waste of time. But i look at every interview as an opportunity to sharpen your skill. I have been working for more than 10 years and i still go for interview whenever someone invite me. I take it as a game to improve my skill to sell myself. And each time, i want to the power of choice back to my court. By the time, the job that i really really want, i can sell myself better. I know not everybody feel the same way. The next time, you encounter this, please do let us know either by writing to us or post it in our forum. We will inform the employer about this.

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Added on March 9, 2012, 12:16 pm[quote=ace.princess,Mar 9 2012, 12:58 AM]
Agree. There was one time, this "Confidential" employer called up, expecting me to know who they are. They admitted that they did not advertise with their actual name. Appointment set, and I politely asked them to send me the Job Scope and Requirements as per the one advertised (just simple copy+paste will do, fast and easy), and they seem offended. I mean, how the heck am I supposed to know which "Company Confidential" advert is the right one??? I usually read the advert again to prepare myself before going for interview for better reference and understanding.

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Exactly!! I've met enough employers who are not prepared to pay my expected salary, even though I stated it CLEARLY. It's fine if they wanna nego down just a little lower, but most of them actually intend to push WAY DOWN from the amount stated. Got me so damn turned off.

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I'm sorry that you have this bad experience. But look at it this way. If they behave like this, would you want to work for them?? Going for interview, is not only allowing the employer to see whether you fit for the job but it is also for you to see whether you like the job, salary, culture, environment, etc etc....By them lowering down your salary beyond what you earning now...then it should tell you what kind of company this is and what kind of future you going to have with them if you deicide to work for them.

This post has been edited by dwk2112: Mar 9 2012, 12:19 PM

dwk2112, I'm glad that someone from Jobstreet is sincerely sharing thoughts and experiences with us here.

hi all, just wanted to touch a little bit on both sides, as a jobseeker my belief is similiar to that of daryl's. an interview is always an opportunity...on the top of that u mite nvr know where you'll land yourself.let me tell u a true story which i myself experienced recently. i was in the job market and was kind of recomended by a friend to go for this interview as he thinks that i will fit very welk in that job, and so i went for the interview...then came the funny part, i was given a few options to join the company with few differnt roles that they think i would fit but not the job i was being interviewed for...so here's a classic example of you dont know where it mite lead you....another thing that happen was, that same company that i attended the interview called me up again. this time it was for ther subsidiary company. so u see one application, one interview, many doors can open...from here you can chart your career path and decide where you wanna go...
there's also a lot of arguement nowadays within the employers and hr people themselves if you log on to one of their forums on hiring people as there have been a good number of cases and rising rapidly on the attitude of some of the jobseekers...
i did read some comments above as there's a discussion on employers not being professional as well. i guess it happens as to put in plainly, not all employers are perfect as they're just humans rite, and not all jobseekers are perfect either. so there's always two sides to the situation, just be positive over stuff that happens ya
another point i would like to touch on is on marketability...its very important to allow your resume to speak for you in an outstanding way. a good way to do it would be to provide a summary of yourself as an opening as some1 did mention that some HR has many2 resume's to look at. so in order for your application to stand out, you'll need some powerful words and description as your summary to knock the hr person off balance so your resume would get noticed. also you could use tools that are provided like 'priority applications' and such to help out stand out from the crowd if you're serious about nailing that particular job with that particular company.
i believe that jobstreet do organize resume clinics as well to help out jobseekers in getting their resume up to speed with the current market trend. normally is held at their career fair in mid valley. and one of the rule of thumb in job application is to tweak your resume to suit the requirements and responsibilities of the job advertised to stand a higher chance in your application. so if ur resume is just a resume that generally describes your experience then before you apply, look at the job advertisement and see how you can use ur experience in a similiar capacity, and change it to the nature of the job, then only submit your application. remember, its not one size fits all yea...good luck people in your job huntin

I am a little bit confused here, most companies advertised in Jobstreet do not include the commencement date for those who are shortlisted for the job. So what if those who are final year students, who could only start after their final exams? should they state their preferable commencement date in the resume or during the interview?

I have been applying for 2 jobs through jobstreet for the past few weeks .

However, One thing which make me wonder is why every jobs I applied come out this kind of status under MY APPLICATION:

What does all those status , like unsuccessful, processed offline etc mean?

Perhaps somebody could enlighten here?

Very well said....i am very impressed on your knowledge. This is what I have been preaching and have organize number of talks on how to get the job you want. Its all come down to resume. Resume get you the interview. And interview get you the job. I will be giving a talk at the upcoming Jobstreet Career Fair in Mid Valley end of this month and i more than welcome for anyone to attend or even have a dissuasion with you.

You mention your experience of what might lead you......that is a good story. In fact, i got my job in Josbtreet by applying to a different job but ended up a totally different job and i love it. Its all about connecting the dots. Go google Steve Job's Connecting the dots and you will know what i mean Believe me, it is really powerful once you understand the concept.

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Added on March 12, 2012, 3:34 pmEasy my friend...just state in your resume what is your expected graduation date. Then employer will know when you can start working...

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Added on March 12, 2012, 3:47 pmOK...let me explain this.

Received.....just mean that your resume has successfully deliver to the customer recruitment system. We provide all our customer a system to manage their resume. Why we provide this information was in the past, some jobseeker has doubt that their resume was delivered or not as they do not see or hear any status of their application and assume that their application did not go through.

Viewed X times.....mean exactly what is means. How many times the employer has viewed the resume. Could be the same person or hiring manager or anyone. As long as they open your resume..we count the number

Scheduled for interview.....meaning employer has use our system to schedule an interview with you. By now, you should received an email inviting you for any interview. Of course, you can request to change date or time, etc etc....but you have to contact the employer directly. All information about the employer should be in that email.

Unsuccessful.....means the employer feel that you do not fit for the job and has decline your application. Now...they are times employer could make a mistake here or the job requirement has change. Example, they may have rejected you first, then later for whatever reason, they still interested in you and pull your resume out and call you. That is why there were time jobseeker received an interview invite when the status show unsuccessful.

Job Closed.....means the employer has completed their recruitment....if you do not receive an invite, mean you can forget about this and move on. Same thing may applied as unsuccessful...they may pull your resume out later even they have closed for the position. Why? Many reason...maybe they need more headcount...etc etc

No status.....means that the employer are not using our system and prefer to print out your resume and do the selection. This way...we have no way to tell you what is going on.



What we always try to do is to allow our jobseeker to know what is going on. But we can only do this if the employer chose to update the system. Some employer just do not do this. Do not use this status as something that is cast on stone but as an indicator. As a rule of thumb, if you apply for a job and you do not hear from the employer after 4 weeks later, i think you should move on to something else. But before you do so, ask yourself why you are not call for the interview. There is only 2 reasons. One is your resume...like what I mention from the above post...the other is, you really not fit for the job.

This post has been edited by dwk2112: Mar 12 2012, 03:48 PM

Thanks for dwk2112 for the info!

which mean, there is still a HOPE if we get this kind of status under MY APPLICATION!

for those who attach their resume on jobstreet, should they change their resume when applying for another jobs?

Coz, in the resume, we have to state our objective of applying right? so each company will have different objectives etc. In this case, if we change resume, will it affect to the previous company who might look at our resume again in future??

Sorry for the sudden cut in,but my company is looking for vacancy too,im new to low yat.net forum,so i dont really sure how/where can i post my vacancy,any advice is well appreciate,and btw,if anyone is interest on vacancy do pm me the area (no address) u stay and your idea paid.we are just a professional retail shop.Thank you again,

Job ENLISTMENTS area under classifieds

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=SF&s=&f=119

Understood,Thank you.

Pretty interesting thread. Let me share some of my exp. here.. I have receive jobs through JS 3 times already, been called for interviews from several other applications countless times.. 1st successful one was with Astro HQ.. At that time actually applying for American express but turn out successful at astro. Both applied Via JS. Then got offer at eonbank HQ, which i applied earlier than AMEX & Astro, then had to leave astro cos i find the job at eon more suitable with my past job experience & my long term career plan. Even though the salary & benefits at that time was slightly lower than Astro. Recently i got job at ambank.. I'll be joining them on 2nd April. All i Can say is Thank god for JS! Although i never tried priority app, i managed to secure some interview cos i read a lot about how to make good resume. This is where it should start from If u applied JS so many times but not yet been able to secure an interview. For those looking for jobs, pm me cos maybe i Can help to pass your resume directly to HR when i join them. Thanks JS!

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