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post Mar 1 2012, 08:27 AM, updated 14y ago

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http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/190706

Kerugian pracukai syarikat pembuat kereta negara, Proton Holdings Bhd telah meningkat kepada RM84.054 juta untuk suku ketiga berakhir 31 Dis, 2011 berbanding kerugian pracukai RM51.535 juta dalam tempoh yang sama 2010.

Dalam satu kenyataan, syarikat berkata prestasi yang lemah itu adalah disebabkan penurunan dalam jualan akhir tahun yang menyaksikan pelarasan jumlah pengeluaran dalam usaha untuk menguruskan kos dengan lebih baik.

Pendapatan merosot kepada RM1.432 bilion daripada RM1.833 bilion sebelumnya.

Sementara itu, pendapatan untuk sembilan bulan pertama turut susut kepada RM5.92 bilion daripada RM6.36 bilion sementara kerugian sebelum cukai ialah RM36.530 juta berbanding keuntungan pracukai RM134.3 juta yang dicatatkan dalam tempoh kewangan yang sama sebelumnya.

Pengerusi kumpulan Datuk Seri Mohd Nadzmi Mohd Salleh berkata keuntungan yang rendah itu dikaitkan sebahagian besarnya kepada pendapatan yang lemah yang dicatatkan daripada jualan domestik.

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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...oss-in-q3-2011/

Proton sees RM84m loss in Q3 2011

Proton group chairman Datuk Seri Mohd Nadzmi Mohd Salleh said the lower profit was largely attributed to lower revenue recorded from domestic sales.

However, he added that the unfavourable impact from the lower revenue was cushioned by a decrease in manufacturing overheads and lower administrative expenses incurred in the same financial period. hmm.gif rclxub.gif yawn.gif

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Now i know why Khazanah want to sell to DRB-HICOM coz still losing money... sweat.gif

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AP will increase so proton will survive. your vios will cost you 90k next time
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blame their marketing team, their dealers....weak marketing
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post Mar 1 2012, 08:35 AM

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most probably due to lotus
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post Mar 1 2012, 08:36 AM

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blame selling low quality car at high prices in local market...
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QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Mar 1 2012, 08:36 AM)
blame selling low quality car at high prices in local market...
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solution increase AP
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post Mar 1 2012, 08:55 AM

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can blame LGE or not...
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post Mar 1 2012, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Mar 1 2012, 08:36 AM)
blame selling low quality car at high prices in local market...
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post Mar 1 2012, 09:01 AM

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Its proton fault for selling overprice plus low quality product. I drive proton not because it is cheap, is because other car such as Honda,Toyota and so on being charged triple in the original price to protect the local production.
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heh... they already have advantage also still lose... doh.gif

better their high management go 14th floor...


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post Mar 1 2012, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Mar 1 2012, 08:55 AM)
can blame LGE or not...
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yes, PEnang Forever Jam and thus people dont buy potong car.....

or LGE build LRT, and people no need to buy potong car???

All LGE's fault..... tongue.gif
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post Mar 1 2012, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(vanpersie91 @ Mar 1 2012, 08:35 AM)
blame their marketing team, their dealers....weak marketing
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What about the product itself?
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Inb4 no 100%loan no 0 downpayment datswai rugi
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QUOTE(kalandra @ Mar 1 2012, 09:08 AM)
What about the product itself?
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lots of cheapskate product also can look good if they do their marketing well.

when I said abt marketing, it should be their market research team, feedback from consumer, n etc..not only advertisements
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inb4 bagi la chance kepada proton
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post Mar 1 2012, 09:15 AM

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n gov will start selling bonds to save proton.
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sell shitty car still lose ka, this proton company iz just charity company for crony make money
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QUOTE(genjo @ Mar 1 2012, 09:33 AM)
AP will increase so proton will survive. your vios will cost you  90k next time
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Hurm true possibility..
And then the AP abolishment wont likely happen in near 10years unless p1 shuts down

QUOTE(Zarazagoza @ Mar 1 2012, 09:36 AM)
blame selling low quality car at high prices in local market...
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Hurm, true also...
Fecking high end persona should cost 35k - 40k !


Added on March 1, 2012, 9:16 amThey should hire apple marketing team

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Blame ever increasing price and stagnant wages.
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QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Mar 1 2012, 09:05 AM)
heh... they already have advantage also still lose...  doh.gif

better their high management go 14th floor...
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Totally Agree.... Cannot cry foul, so, better just close it down. Why waste TAX payer money as I believe Government already bail them for....EVER....
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post Mar 1 2012, 09:20 AM

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force all BN members and government servants to buy proton only. worth a try.
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And will continue bailing them la... Look at MAS...
BNM wont be complying to their requests as well... (consumer-bankrupt-protecion$
Another solution might be reduced tax specially for p1 and p2...


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post Mar 1 2012, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 1 2012, 08:35 AM)
most probably due to lotus
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I'm in this industry sector, and a few reasons why Proton is losing money is definitely Lotus. However, other major reasons are quite well known.

Cronyism (there's a list called Untouchable suppliers) is rampant, as well as cost over-run within the entity itself. Another weakness is the marketing team, as well as the quality consciousness within the organisation itself.

The only solution is basically to change the culture of the whole organisation itself and free it from the involvement of politicians. This can be achieved by actually hiring capable management.




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its the mismanagement + political hand

but it will never be acknowledged

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Time for Proton to rebadge Suzuki motorcycles.
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post Mar 1 2012, 10:13 AM

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i heard that proton only channel money to f1 because profit.
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If Proton still losing money, why still channel money to F1?!?
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tue la... bodo...

why not sell all local cars at 20-40k jer...

this one sell so freaking expensive with cheap-ass quality
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Mar 1 2012, 11:52 AM)
If Proton still losing money, why still channel money to F1?!?
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bcos the money is not from own pocket?
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other earn money like a bawse
proton oni rugi
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BNM tidak berjiwa rakyat!!!mereka tidak memikirkan pekerja2 Proton yang akan kehilangan sumber pendatapan!!boikot BNM!!!
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Sini Proton, Sana Mas. Always Rugi like shit... gonverment support kau kau still rugi... bcoz of proton we buy expensive car.
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but share price never drop 1....
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QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Mar 1 2012, 09:05 AM)
heh... they already have advantage also still lose...  doh.gif

better their high management go 14th floor...
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Bodoh tetap bodoh. whistling.gif

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Mar 1 2012, 11:52 AM)
If Proton still losing money, why still channel money to F1?!?
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because of "face"...
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Y U NO blame BNM yet?
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BNM shouldn't be blame, there are regulating the financial system.... Remember on year 2008 US collapse? You want Malaysia to be the 2nd US economy collapse?
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babi punya mgmt
sial la sponsor F1 dh brp tahun
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The Mat Salles must be laughing all the way to the bank. I thought last time they ask our local banks to loan them money for restructuring.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Mar 1 2012, 08:27 AM)
Now i know why Khazanah want to sell to DRB-HICOM coz still losing money...  sweat.gif
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mmg la.nak JV dengan Volkswagen tak dapat.nak JV dengan Cherry diorang mintak tukar logo..last tak tahu buat apa jual je la.

yang beli tu la kesian.dah la kena beli pada harga yang tinggi.pastu kena suntik extra modal lagi.Khazanah pegang Proton dah berpuluh tahun.How long DRB hicom can keep Proton u think?

tu belum kira isu Bank Negara buat hal beli kereta guna gaji bersih.
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Prob lies in the management.
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BNM shouldn't be blame, there are regulating the financial system.... Remember on year 2008 US collapse? You want Malaysia to be the 2nd US economy collapse?
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Y U NO get sarcasm? laugh.gif

Previously Proton stated the sales were affected due to BNM tighter regulations.

But that's just the name of the game. Proton needs to be adaptive to the market changes and tackle it rather than requesting aid from G.
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Look on the bright side guys. 84 million only mah compared to 2.5billion.
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service and kereta good quality abit..then mai ok lo.. both also macam OMG!
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Mar 1 2012, 11:54 AM)
tue la... bodo...

why not sell all local cars at 20-40k jer...

this one sell so freaking expensive with cheap-ass quality
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kalau dia buat macam tu dah lama Proton tu bungkus.habis kalau dah kereta tu harga RM 20k BANK dan Insuran nak makan apa? tahun ni Proton release this car harga RM 20k next year mesti PRoton release car yang lebih murah...confirm dealer dan kedai bengkel kereta tak nak support produk proton because u support them u actually u gali lubang sendiri.
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should reduce songlap rate to gain back profit mah. haizz lemme be ceo
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Mar 1 2012, 12:13 PM)
kalau dia buat macam tu dah lama Proton tu bungkus.habis kalau dah kereta tu harga RM 20k BANK dan Insuran nak makan apa? tahun ni Proton release this car harga RM 20k next year mesti PRoton release car yang lebih murah...confirm dealer dan kedai bengkel kereta tak nak support produk proton because u support them u actually u gali lubang sendiri.
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but apparently selling at a higher price also doesnt help...

and proton already has their grave.. its just a matter of time until they disappear.
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alaaa just 84 mil maaa...MAS got kerugian bersih 2 Bill sommoere..... relax jerrr
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Mar 1 2012, 12:15 PM)
but apparently selling at a higher price also doesnt help...

and proton already has their grave.. its just a matter of time until they disappear.
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they can sell high price.because others manufacture also high price.they become grave because they cant compete with `other` national car like Naza and P2...then made in china car also cheap and boleh tahan.

i think its Time Proton tu expand to others bussiness.They must have Secondary Bussiness to keep survive.

worst to worst i think Proton must back to the Basic...Try built a engine and sell the engine to China/Korea/Jepun manufacture.

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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Mar 1 2012, 12:19 PM)
they can sell high price.because others manufacture also high price.they become grave because they cant compete with `other` national car like Naza and P2...then made in china car also cheap and boleh tahan.

i think its Time Proton tu expand to others bussiness.They must have Secondary Bussiness to keep survive.

worst to worst i think Proton must back to the Basic...Try built a engine and sell the engine to China/Korea/Jepun manufacture.
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They should try making bicycle first but oh wait ....
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Mar 1 2012, 12:19 PM)
they can sell high price.because others manufacture also high price.they become grave because they cant compete with `other` national car like Naza and P2...then made in china car also cheap and boleh tahan.

i think its Time Proton tu expand to others bussiness.They must have Secondary Bussiness to keep survive.

worst to worst i think Proton must back to the Basic...Try built a engine and sell the engine to China/Korea/Jepun manufacture.
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the only reason other manufacturers are 'selling' at high price is because of the TAX...

look at the prices for a vios in langkawi... its 60k... if that were the price nationwide... everyone would be driving a vios instead of a coffin-on-wheels
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Mar 1 2012, 12:20 PM)
They should try making bicycle first but oh wait ....
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if this happend Engineer Proton/Proton manager semua kena buang kerja.must hire bangla or indonesia pay them cheap giler to replace the vancancy.

the CEO no need replace but the gaji must be potong.
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Mar 1 2012, 12:19 PM)
they can sell high price.because others manufacture also high price.they become grave because they cant compete with `other` national car like Naza and P2...then made in china car also cheap and boleh tahan.

i think its Time Proton tu expand to others bussiness.They must have Secondary Bussiness to keep survive.

worst to worst i think Proton must back to the Basic...Try built a engine and sell the engine to China/Korea/Jepun manufacture.
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they can start with selling CFE turbocharged engine
im sure that engine can tapau (in term of top speed & torque) any korean-made engine for sure,at lot cheaper than japs engine,sound logic?
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 1 2012, 12:22 PM)
they can start with selling CFE turbocharged engine
im sure that engine can tapau (in term of top speed & torque) any korean-made engine for sure,at lot cheaper than japs engine,sound logic?
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Friend not everyone thinks an engine with good top speed & torque is a surewinner. We must see whether the CFE Turbocharged is reliable etc.
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 1 2012, 12:22 PM)
they can start with selling CFE turbocharged engine
im sure that engine can tapau (in term of top speed & torque) any korean-made engine for sure,at lot cheaper than japs engine,sound logic?
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bos, maybe you should longitudinal mount that engine masuk your E36 BMW? biggrin.gif get better performance kua.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Mar 1 2012, 12:25 PM)
Friend not everyone thinks an engine with good top speed & torque is a surewinner. We must see whether the CFE Turbocharged is reliable etc.
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fren,the reliability test already being done before its released to public,u dont know exora bold ah?
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industri automotif malaysia kena buat ujian crash test sendiri dan juga idea enjin sendiri serta rajin buat pemasaran yang bagus, ambil contoh negara jerman... volkswagen, mercedes dan bmw tu lawan macam gila la dia punya idea.

juga jangan sesekali ambil mudah akan pengaruh budak kecil dalam strategi pemasaran kereta..

sebagai contoh iklan volkswagen ni pakai budak kecil je, dia ada 51,604,410 views.. populasi malaysia pun baru dekat 28 juta orang je


kalau hanya nak harap pasaran malaysia sahaja.. sampai kiamat pun rugi je la aku ingat, dah la teruk traffic jam kat malaysia ni.. cuba target pergi jual kereta proton ke tempat yang masih banyak orang tak pakai kereta macam negara-negara afrika tu.. gabung sekali iklan dengan KFC kepunyaan Johor Corporation tu.. beli proton di afrika dapat sekali makan kfc di afrika. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Mar 1 2012, 12:21 PM)
the only reason other manufacturers are 'selling' at high price is because of the TAX...

look at the prices for a vios in langkawi... its 60k... if that were the price nationwide... everyone would be driving a vios instead of a coffin-on-wheels
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yeah i know.but the reason TAX dikenakan because Bank and Insuran also want untung sekaki thats why loan car can up to 9 years maximum...insuran also same.diorang also pandai kira.New car CANT use 3rd party insurance and OLD car cant use 1st Party insurance.

tu pasal la manager yang kerja kat Insurance dan Bank ni semua masyuk+gaji tinggi. mad.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 1 2012, 12:27 PM)
bos, maybe you should longitudinal mount that engine masuk your E36 BMW?  biggrin.gif  get better performance kua..  tongue.gif
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dont want since stil got plenty of hartge's enjin potong tongue.gif

aiyo,taikor,when u want to get yourself 630CI/Z4? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(hack3line @ Mar 1 2012, 12:28 PM)
industri automotif malaysia kena buat ujian crash test sendiri dan juga idea enjin sendiri serta rajin buat pemasaran yang bagus, ambil contoh negara jerman... volkswagen, mercedes dan bmw tu lawan macam gila la dia punya idea.

juga jangan sesekali ambil mudah akan pengaruh budak kecil dalam strategi pemasaran kereta..

sebagai contoh iklan volkswagen ni pakai budak kecil je, dia ada 51,604,410 views.. populasi malaysia pun baru dekat 28 juta orang je


kalau hanya nak harap pasaran malaysia sahaja.. sampai kiamat pun rugi je la aku ingat, dah la teruk traffic jam kat malaysia ni.. cuba target pergi jual kereta proton ke tempat yang masih banyak orang tak pakai kereta macam negara-negara afrika tu.. gabung sekali iklan dengan KFC kepunyaan Johor Corporation tu.. beli proton di afrika dapat sekali makan kfc di afrika.  laugh.gif
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bukan pasal budak kecik tapi sebab logo VW la
crash test stil kena buat at EURO CAP /ANCAP sebab org tk yakin dengan kita(songlap sana sini mana nk konfiden)
lgpun VW dh start sejak zaman hitler la

negara nk maju bukan sebab technologi aje bai,tapi attitutde pemimpin pon kena tgk jugak,
kalau high-tech tapi attitude hancur alamat abis kena songlap la
cuba kau kaji skandal2 baru kt german yg menyebabkan beberapa pemimpin german kena letak jawatan?bila pemimpin2 kat atas dh attitude betul baru la org2 bawah ada attitude yg betul,betul kan?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/1...n-wulff-resigns

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kalau hanya nak harap pasaran malaysia sahaja.. sampai kiamat pun rugi je la aku ingat, dah la teruk traffic jam kat malaysia ni.. cuba target pergi jual kereta proton ke tempat yang masih banyak orang tak pakai kereta macam negara-negara afrika tu.. gabung sekali iklan dengan KFC kepunyaan Johor Corporation tu.. beli proton di afrika dapat sekali makan kfc di afrika.  laugh.gif
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aku cakap terus terang la bro.kalau 25 tahun lepas Proton dah mula R&D pasal kereta elektrik confirm year 2012 Proton become succesor...

tapi aku dapat jangka if Proton can make lower Cc engine and sell this engine to China or Korea ..Proton can survive.

Jangan cakap dengan aku 25 tahun kat Malaysia tak tahu nak buat enjin kereta.
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dont want since stil got plenty of hartge's enjin potong tongue.gif
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brows.gif u say like so shiok with these old BMW, dun poison me la.. if ownership cost and repair bills low, I dun mind a E36 cabrio.. really like that car.
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aku cakap terus terang la bro.kalau 25 tahun lepas Proton dah mula R&D pasal kereta elektrik confirm year 2012 Proton become succesor...

tapi aku dapat jangka if Proton can make lower Cc engine and sell this engine to China or Korea ..Proton can survive.

Jangan cakap dengan aku 25 tahun kat Malaysia tak tahu nak buat enjin kereta.
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engine and gearbox this ones if no volume really hard to compete even if you got knowhow.
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bukan pasal budak kecik tapi sebab logo VW la
VW dah takde idea nak buat iklan macam mana.karang kalau buat kereta tu meletup keluar api mahal la pulak.sekarang banyak iklan yang menggunakan budak kecik dan hasil dia sangat memberangsangkan.

tak salah aku iklan softlan pun ada guna budak kecik.Iklan biskut Oreo pun sama.
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dont want since stil got plenty of hartge's enjin potong tongue.gif

aiyo,taikor,when u want to get yourself 630CI/Z4? laugh.gif
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anytime cos those used ones 200k or below mah.. brows.gif (also if running cost is low like japs and no major failure money fly away) then i just need to sell off the 2.4akod and teana lor.. biggrin.gif
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engine and gearbox  this ones if no volume really hard to compete even if you got knowhow.
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nowdays not like 20 years ago.kereta semua mahal mahal.buyer also want cheap.manufacture also want produce the product with lower cost.so profit still can generate.also this time got Made in China / Made In Korea / Made In India? .so Proton can produce the engine or gearbox or parts to them....

biasanya bila China / Korea / India got our trusted German and Japan dont sit down do nothing. brows.gif

later Proton Group become Proton Sdn Bhd. rclxms.gif

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nowdays not like 20 years ago.kereta semua mahal mahal.buyer also want cheap.manufacture also want produce the product with lower cost.so profit still can generate.also this time got Made in China / Made In Korea / Made In India? .so Proton can produce the engine or gearbox or parts to them....

biasanya bila China / Korea / India got our trusted German and Japan dont sit down do nothing. brows.gif
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means cannot compete lor.. when overseas ppl dowan your products what to do? laugh.gif
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means cannot compete lor.. when overseas ppl dowan your products what to do?  laugh.gif
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they sure want.or otherwise buy cherry car or TATA car bring back to malaysia dismantle it and takeout the technology and design out.
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brows.gif  u say like so shiok with these old BMW, dun poison me la.. if ownership cost and repair bills low, I dun mind a E36 cabrio.. really like that car.
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get yourself E36 M3 la,fun to drive,easy to tapau other souped-up hondas & even new bmw what,not much useless electronics
then put extra twin-turbo & supercharged summore brows.gif
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satu lagi proton kena sediakan peruntukan khas laburkan dana kewangan dalam pendidikan.. bukan kereta itu yang amat penting sebenarnya.. tetapi manusia yang sudah diasah dengan pendidikan tinggi yang sempurna itu yang paling penting sebenarnya untuk jana keuntungan yang besar pada masa hadapan dalam jangka masa panjang.

tengok macam volkswagen punya idealogi.. camne dia boleh jadi antara syarikat yang amat berjaya di dunia ni.. diaorang labur banyak betul duit dalam pendidikan di seluruh dunia untuk latih mereka yang benar-benar bagus sahaja untuk diambil kerja untuk diaorang


dekat amerika je.. volkswagen pergi labur dekat RM15 juta dalam pendidikan yang bagus untuk human capital / tenaga kerja syarikat volkswagen... idealogi proton pula.. sudah macam lebih terarah kepada rebadge rebadge dan rebadge, pastu minta tolong kerajaan lindungi diaorang.. bila nak maju camni ntah la.

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Partners in Education

Launched in September 2008, our Partners in Education program was designed to support students and teachers interested in advanced automotive technology and next generation automotive engineering. We began with a five-year, $2.1 million Partners in Education initiative to create a comprehensive education partnership with schools and technical institutions throughout the Commonwealth of Virginia and the greater Washington, D.C., area. In March 2009, the Volkswagen Group of America announced a $5.28 million expansion of the Partners in Education program in Tennessee, the new home of its manufacturing operations in the U.S.

In the greater Washington, D.C., area and the Commonwealth of Virginia, Volkswagen Group of America’s Partners in Education program focuses on creating a comprehensive education initiative for high schools, universities, technical schools, and community colleges. The initiative positively impacts educational experience of students at Fairfax County Public Schools, Northern Virginia Community College, The Excel Institute, George Mason University, University of Virginia, and Virginia Polytechnic Institute.

Looking after the interests of the region where our manufacturing will soon exist, we took our best practices of the Partners in Education program to Tennessee. With this expansion, the partnerships with primary and secondary schools, universities, and a leading national laboratory positively impact students throughout their educational experience and throughout the state. We now proudly support students and teachers at Chattanooga State Community College, Fisk University, Hamilton County Public Schools, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Tennessee State University, University of Memphis, University of Tennessee – Chattanooga, and University of Tennessee – Knoxville.

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they sure want.or otherwise buy cherry car or TATA car bring back to malaysia dismantle it and takeout the technology and design out.
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they would want only if your price is competitive (probably need to be lowest by a good margin) and proven reliable track record in long run (which is close to nil).. so how to chelen japs or even established germans or PSA group?
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they would want only if your price is competitive (probably need to be lowest by a good margin) and proven reliable track record in long run (which is close to nil).. so how to chelen japs or even established germans or PSA group?
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jap and estbalish jerman might join use Proton product if China / Korea / India car make report they untung meningkat + Sales tinggi bla bla bla...

zaman sekarang ni kereta tu made in korea ke china ke german ke jepun ke sama je bro.u said Toyota Prius is the first electrical car right? so when Honda see this `succesful` so they follow release Honda Hybrid...so Toyota counter attack balik release Prius C.(betul ke ada Prius C?)

if u said Ferrari or Porsche itu lain cerita.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 1 2012, 12:45 PM)
they would want only if your price is competitive (probably need to be lowest by a good margin) and proven reliable track record in long run (which is close to nil).. so how to chelen japs or even established germans or PSA group?
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boleh lawan.. tiada apa yang mustahil

yang penting, kena rajin keluarkan idea baru, buat banyak patent dalam industri automotif, kat jerman diaorang buat beribu patent nak tonjolkan kehebatan pendidikan kejuruteraan diaorang... mula-mula dulu adolf hitler dulu pergi cabar rakyat jerman buktikan diaorang boleh kalahkan kehebatan ilmu fizik yahudi, sementara itu di malaysia, semua orang jati diri memang tak kuat langsung.. terlalu agongkan penjajah british.


kalau kereta proton yang lawan truck ni rasanya hancur terus berkecai sebab buat kereta tak ada crash test, hanya fikir nak untung cepat je


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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Mar 1 2012, 01:54 PM)
jap and estbalish jerman might join use Proton product  if China / Korea / India car make report they untung meningkat + Sales tinggi bla bla bla...

zaman sekarang ni kereta tu made in korea ke china ke german ke jepun ke sama je bro.u said Toyota Prius is the first electrical car right? so when Honda see this `succesful` so they follow release Honda Hybrid...so Toyota counter attack balik release Prius C.(betul ke ada Prius C?)

if u said Ferrari or Porsche itu lain cerita.
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I believe the first hybrid car is from Porsche it self... A lot of ppl tot Japanese is the best in inventing new stuff, but in reality they are good in taking others people idea and improve it.. Which is call innovative.. rclxms.gif rolleyes.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche (3 September 1875 – 30 January 1951) was an Austrian-German automotive engineer and honorary Doctor of Engineering. He is best known for creating the first hybrid vehicle (gasoline-electric)...
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jap and estbalish jerman might join use Proton product  if China / Korea / India car make report they untung meningkat + Sales tinggi bla bla bla...

zaman sekarang ni kereta tu made in korea ke china ke german ke jepun ke sama je bro.u said Toyota Prius is the first electrical car right? so when Honda see this `succesful` so they follow release Honda Hybrid...so Toyota counter attack balik release Prius C.(betul ke ada Prius C?)

if u said Ferrari or Porsche itu lain cerita.
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IF.. biggrin.gif

anyway in automotive and other products, hard for others to use your brand la.. nowadays many recall and product liability.. especially in US the penalty can cause millions of payout and name also spoil liao.. barrier of entry to be other ppl subcon or major component supplier is very high.. so.. IF..
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get yourself E36 M3 la,fun to drive,easy to tapau other souped-up hondas & even new bmw what,not much useless electronics
then put extra twin-turbo & supercharged summore brows.gif
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those old M3 engine with nikasil coated parts scary ler.. repair bills.. sweat.gif dun say many hartge M3 engines lying around also in KL.. tongue.gif
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IF..  biggrin.gif 

anyway in automotive and other products, hard for others to use your brand la.. nowadays many recall and product liability.. especially in US the penalty can cause millions of payout and name also spoil liao.. barrier of entry to be other ppl subcon or major component supplier is very high..  so.. IF..
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Proton supply pada Korea / China / India pun cukup.yang 3 negara ni jaga baik baik...yang JAP dan German tu bagi je barang claim warranty kat diorang...
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boleh lawan.. tiada apa yang mustahil

yang penting, kena rajin keluarkan idea baru, buat banyak patent dalam industri automotif, kat jerman diaorang buat beribu patent nak tonjolkan kehebatan pendidikan kejuruteraan diaorang... mula-mula dulu adolf hitler dulu pergi cabar rakyat jerman buktikan diaorang boleh kalahkan kehebatan ilmu fizik yahudi, sementara itu di malaysia, semua orang jati diri memang tak kuat langsung.. terlalu agongkan penjajah british.
if this is applied , yes there is no limit, we already gone to the moon probably explore mars on man mission now.. biggrin.gif
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84 million? After all the protection they get?

I think the government should ban all foreign cars no matter what. Then maybe Proton's losses would be like, 80 million instead of 84..

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that was last year punya story la
suku tiga somemore
now proton under DRB-hicom la
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I believe the first hybrid car is from Porsche it self... A lot of ppl tot Japanese is the best in inventing new stuff, but in reality they are good in taking others people idea and improve it.. Which is call innovative..  rclxms.gif  rolleyes.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche

Ferdinand Porsche (3 September 1875 – 30 January 1951) was an Austrian-German automotive engineer and honorary Doctor of Engineering. He is best known for creating the first hybrid vehicle (gasoline-electric)...
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Proton idea Dr Mahathir.tapi yang jadi CEO orang lain. laugh.gif i think Honda and Toyota founded and organize by same person. sweat.gif
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84 million? After all the protection they get?

I think the government should ban all foreign cars no matter what. Then maybe Proton's losses would be like, 80 million instead of 84..

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even now say in JAN2012, the people who support proton brand, high percentage cannot get loan to buy the car.. i think need to come out 10k gov subsidi per proton liao..
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 1 2012, 01:01 PM)
if this is applied , yes there is no limit, we already gone to the moon probably explore mars on man mission now..  biggrin.gif
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PROTON ada potensi pasaran yang kuat di afrika

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South Africa: Malaysian Proton Cars On Way to Matching Success of India's Tata

Johannesburg — EARLY indications are that Imperial Group could replicate the success of its Indian Tata vehicle range with the Proton line from Malaysia.

Sales of the Proton exceeded the group's most optimistic forecasts in the month after the vehicle was launched in SA last month.


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Syarikat-syarikat Afrika seharusnya contohi Proton
20/06/2011 11:37pm

SHAH ALAM 20 Jun — Syarikat-syarikat Afrika yang kekurangan formula untuk menjana pertumbuhan syarikat-syarikat kecil, seharusnya mencontohi Proton Holdings Bhd yang bukan sahaja berjaya membangunkan keupayaan teknologi industri tempatan, tetapi pada masa yang sama membantu mereka untuk berkembang maju, kata seorang perwakilan Afrika yang menyertai Dialog Antarabangsa Langkawi (LID 2011).

Ketua Pegawai Eksekutif Namibian Manufacturers Association, Hennie Fourie yang benar-benar kagum dengan kejayaan besar Proton berkata, kebanyakan negara Afrika ketika ini kekurangan formula untuk membawa kejayaan kepada syarikat-syarikat dalam negara masing-masing.

Beliau juga menyuarakan rasa kagum dengan keupayaan pengeluar kereta itu untuk mewujudkan ekosistem industri yang mengandungi pembekal alat-alat ganti kereta dan yang berkaitan dengan pembekal perkhidmatan.

Menurutnya, banyak negara-negara Afrika berusaha keras untuk membantu syarikat-syarikat kecil dan industri untuk berkembang menjadi entiti lebih besar.

Fourie berkata, walaupun kebanyakan kerajaan-kerajaan di benua Afrika berhasrat untuk menjana syarikat-syarikat kecil, pihak industri tidak mempunyai kemahiran yang sesuai mahupun keupayaan teknologi untuk berkembang lebih maju.

"Mereka beroperasi dalam keadaan lompang, kerana mereka tidak ada idea mengenai apa yang dapat dilakukan lagi. Kita perlu contohi Proton Holdings Bhd, syarikat besar yang berjaya, yang membantu dalam memupuk industri tempatan dan membangunkan keupayaan teknologi,” katanya kepada Bernama selepas melawat kawasan kilang Proton di sini hari ini. — Bernama


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nikka dah kata suka proton dan juga suka betul kfc.. kalau proton gabung dengan jcorp punya kfc tu untuk buat strategi pemasaran gila-gila di afrika tu rasanya tahun depan atau 2 ke 3 tahun lagi proton boleh jana untung gila-gila.. kfc malaysia antara paling berjaya sampai orang bukan nikka pun boleh gaduh2 sampai jadi isu politik.. panggil tukang masak kfc di i-city tu tunjuk skill masak dia di afrika sebagai antara strategi pemasaran kereta proton di afrika., mesti nikka tak boleh tahan punya. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Mar 1 2012, 12:54 PM)
boleh lawan.. tiada apa yang mustahil

yang penting, kena rajin keluarkan idea baru, buat banyak patent dalam industri automotif, kat jerman diaorang buat beribu patent nak tonjolkan kehebatan pendidikan kejuruteraan diaorang... mula-mula dulu adolf hitler dulu pergi cabar rakyat jerman buktikan diaorang boleh kalahkan kehebatan ilmu fizik yahudi, sementara itu di malaysia, semua orang jati diri memang tak kuat langsung.. terlalu agongkan penjajah british.


kalau kereta proton yang lawan truck ni rasanya hancur terus berkecai sebab buat kereta tak ada crash test, hanya fikir nak untung cepat je

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memang la boleh lawan..tapi.......silap strategi la.serius..kenapa sponsor merc F1?lotus F1?apa dapat?cosworth engine tech huh?tipu la
penah tak proton masuk Japan GT yg setiap tahun ada kt sepang?TAKDE..eh cmon la,kat situ betul2 nk test realibility engine/trans & platform tahu?
penah tk proton masuk DTM kt Germany?TAKDE
penah masuk LeMans?TAKDE

yg masuk F1 buat ape?pakai enjin proton ke?PTUIIIIII
memang la CFE turbocharged tu power tapi macamana nk bgtau org yg enjin tu blh survive race sampai 24jam?kau bgtau aku skarang

nasib baik korean-car pon tk penah masuk Japan GT .memang konfem tak reliable jugak korean-car ahahahhahhhahahah


Added on March 1, 2012, 1:56 pmenjin lotus F1 & merc F1 penah ada usaha nk letak enjin proton tak?
yg aku tau cosworth utk lotus..HAAKK TUUUIIIH


Added on March 1, 2012, 1:57 pmat least bmw & merc & Audi & volvo ada jugak dalm DTM race,BEDOL

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lotus is sucking proton's moneh. that's why have to sell lotus
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So much protection and can still lose money? Please go die lah.
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So much protection and can still lose money? Please go die lah.
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one of the reason is people like u who dont want to buy proton anymore,oh wai sweat.gif


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lotus is sucking proton's moneh. that's why have to sell lotus
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also true,too many hanky panky

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one of the reason is people like u who dont want to buy proton anymore,oh wai sweat.gif
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I'd appreciate your enthusiasm and imaginary virtue but it merely passed off as a weak and pretentious attempt to make yourself believe you're better than others.

How on earth did that presumption of me not buying a Proton come about? Also, "people who don't want to buy a Proton" must have strong valid reasons to do so considering the massive price difference between Protons and imports of similar segments in this country.

Bring your shit elsewhere, douche.
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I'd appreciate your enthusiasm and imaginary virtue but it merely passed off as a weak and pretentious attempt to make yourself believe you're better than others.

How on earth did that presumption of me not buying a Proton come about? Also, "people who don't want to buy a Proton" must have strong valid reasons to do so considering the massive price difference between Protons and imports of similar segments in this country.

Bring your shit elsewhere, douche.
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thats one of the reason la,douche.korean cars are flooding the market now
there are many reasons & thats 1 of them
dont narrow down your pea-like brain


Added on March 1, 2012, 2:09 pm& u think korean cars are better realibility than protons?any proof?many real-life proves shows otherwise


Added on March 1, 2012, 2:09 pmor have u even check the spare parts price of korean cars & compare it side-by-side with proton one?HAHAHAHAAH

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Proton idea Dr Mahathir.tapi yang jadi CEO orang lain. laugh.gif i think Honda and Toyota founded and organize by same person. sweat.gif
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this is what happen if you combine business and politic. pikir poket sendiri jek. sorry to say, looking to the current situation, proton will have hard time to recover/compete with other auto competitor. the damage is done.
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post Mar 1 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(geisha @ Mar 1 2012, 04:56 PM)
this is what happen if you combine business and politic. pikir poket sendiri jek. sorry to say, looking to the current situation, proton will have hard time to recover/compete with other auto competitor. the damage is done.
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eh jangan cakap camtu, nanti e36 marah.
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post Mar 1 2012, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(hack3line @ Mar 1 2012, 12:54 PM)
kalau kereta proton yang lawan truck ni rasanya hancur terus berkecai sebab buat kereta tak ada crash test, hanya fikir nak untung cepat je

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orang barat dulu dulu mana tahu idea diorang tu menguntungkan.idea diorang tu bukan utk dijual beli.tapi digunakan utk sekalian alam.tapi bila atas nama keuntungan dan membayar gaji pekerja dan sewa dan lain lain maka jadilah ia produk yang menguntungkan.

kalau Proton boleh jadi Konglomerat macam Mitsubhishi confirm anak muda kita sekarang ada pekerjaan yang bagus.(peluang kerja banyak)


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