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> Proton Rugi RM84j dalam Suku Ketiga.., Always losing money...

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ar188
post Mar 1 2012, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 1 2012, 12:22 PM)
they can start with selling CFE turbocharged engine
im sure that engine can tapau (in term of top speed & torque) any korean-made engine for sure,at lot cheaper than japs engine,sound logic?
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bos, maybe you should longitudinal mount that engine masuk your E36 BMW? biggrin.gif get better performance kua.. tongue.gif
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post Mar 1 2012, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 1 2012, 12:28 PM)
dont want since stil got plenty of hartge's enjin potong tongue.gif
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brows.gif u say like so shiok with these old BMW, dun poison me la.. if ownership cost and repair bills low, I dun mind a E36 cabrio.. really like that car.
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post Mar 1 2012, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Mar 1 2012, 12:33 PM)
aku cakap terus terang la bro.kalau 25 tahun lepas Proton dah mula R&D pasal kereta elektrik confirm year 2012 Proton become succesor...

tapi aku dapat jangka if Proton can make lower Cc engine and sell this engine to China or Korea ..Proton can survive.

Jangan cakap dengan aku 25 tahun kat Malaysia tak tahu nak buat enjin kereta.
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engine and gearbox this ones if no volume really hard to compete even if you got knowhow.
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post Mar 1 2012, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 1 2012, 12:28 PM)
dont want since stil got plenty of hartge's enjin potong tongue.gif

aiyo,taikor,when u want to get yourself 630CI/Z4? laugh.gif
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anytime cos those used ones 200k or below mah.. brows.gif (also if running cost is low like japs and no major failure money fly away) then i just need to sell off the 2.4akod and teana lor.. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 1 2012, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Mar 1 2012, 12:38 PM)
nowdays not like 20 years ago.kereta semua mahal mahal.buyer also want cheap.manufacture also want produce the product with lower cost.so profit still can generate.also this time got Made in China / Made In Korea / Made In India? .so Proton can produce the engine or gearbox or parts to them....

biasanya bila China / Korea / India got our trusted German and Japan dont sit down do nothing. brows.gif
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means cannot compete lor.. when overseas ppl dowan your products what to do? laugh.gif
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post Mar 1 2012, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Mar 1 2012, 12:42 PM)
they sure want.or otherwise buy cherry car or TATA car bring back to malaysia dismantle it and takeout the technology and design out.
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they would want only if your price is competitive (probably need to be lowest by a good margin) and proven reliable track record in long run (which is close to nil).. so how to chelen japs or even established germans or PSA group?
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post Mar 1 2012, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Mar 1 2012, 12:54 PM)
jap and estbalish jerman might join use Proton product  if China / Korea / India car make report they untung meningkat + Sales tinggi bla bla bla...

zaman sekarang ni kereta tu made in korea ke china ke german ke jepun ke sama je bro.u said Toyota Prius is the first electrical car right? so when Honda see this `succesful` so they follow release Honda Hybrid...so Toyota counter attack balik release Prius C.(betul ke ada Prius C?)

if u said Ferrari or Porsche itu lain cerita.
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IF.. biggrin.gif

anyway in automotive and other products, hard for others to use your brand la.. nowadays many recall and product liability.. especially in US the penalty can cause millions of payout and name also spoil liao.. barrier of entry to be other ppl subcon or major component supplier is very high.. so.. IF..
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 1 2012, 12:45 PM)
get yourself E36 M3 la,fun to drive,easy to tapau other souped-up hondas & even new bmw what,not much useless electronics
then put extra twin-turbo & supercharged summore brows.gif
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those old M3 engine with nikasil coated parts scary ler.. repair bills.. sweat.gif dun say many hartge M3 engines lying around also in KL.. tongue.gif
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post Mar 1 2012, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(hack3line @ Mar 1 2012, 12:54 PM)
boleh lawan.. tiada apa yang mustahil

yang penting, kena rajin keluarkan idea baru, buat banyak patent dalam industri automotif, kat jerman diaorang buat beribu patent nak tonjolkan kehebatan pendidikan kejuruteraan diaorang... mula-mula dulu adolf hitler dulu pergi cabar rakyat jerman buktikan diaorang boleh kalahkan kehebatan ilmu fizik yahudi, sementara itu di malaysia, semua orang jati diri memang tak kuat langsung.. terlalu agongkan penjajah british.
if this is applied , yes there is no limit, we already gone to the moon probably explore mars on man mission now.. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 1 2012, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Mar 1 2012, 01:02 PM)
84 million? After all the protection they get?

I think the government should ban all foreign cars no matter what. Then maybe Proton's losses would be like, 80 million instead of 84..

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even now say in JAN2012, the people who support proton brand, high percentage cannot get loan to buy the car.. i think need to come out 10k gov subsidi per proton liao..

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