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 Mechanical Keyboard Club V5, For Gamers and Typist Enthusiasts

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post Mar 20 2012, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(wilsongunawan @ Mar 20 2012, 01:53 AM)
i wanted to but since the pure price gonna be high so i change my mind to buy a poker. how much gonna be the price for pure?
ahh. actually i want the brown switch. hehe
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For PBT version, the brown is out of stock(and almost whole taobao too).
You can go for the ABS version then, save yourself around RM50. whistling.gif
Normal none-alu case Pure won't cost too expensive, around 600rmb.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=1525828...=itemz_20120320

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post Mar 20 2012, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(wilsongunawan @ Mar 20 2012, 02:04 AM)
i saw in vortex facebook they only produce 35kb. is there any chance that we can get it? wait for it for so long already but when they release the price is like 150usd? so expensiveee
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35kb? Not really sure... But kaiserreich planning to do a bulk order on it, and he got quoted the price probably around RM600, LOL. Also, the bulk will only go on if at least 10 orders.

For normal version, I highly doubt that it will be limited edition/unit or so on. Lots ppl had actually received it already.

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QUOTE(SetsunaFSeiei Exia00 @ Mar 20 2012, 02:08 AM)
O.O You sure about that bro?
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Typo, it is 600rmb... sweat.gif
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post Mar 20 2012, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(Kenzany @ Mar 20 2012, 02:35 AM)
basically to decide on which kb to get, its still down to which switches you prefer right?
brand doesnt matter much?
then what is pbt and abs? i know pbt is hardest, is this the key material?
how about kbt and pure? is that the mounted material. i simply google to read sumthing but didnt really understand much.

currently have an eye on cm storm, still wondering tongue.gif
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See switch first, then see brands and features. They do matter but again, switches come first.
They are types of plastic. POM should be harder than PBT, but most ppl claim that PBT feel nicer than POM and so on.
KBT is a forum in Taiwan, they are making keyboards called "Pure" and "Race"

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post Mar 20 2012, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(Kenzany @ Mar 20 2012, 02:44 AM)
alright but it seems like pure and race is those compact type right? definitely not my type as i need keypads for convenience usage.
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lol, i thought you say you eying on CM Storm? rclxub.gif
Then go for fullsize 104keys.
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post Mar 20 2012, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(Kenzany @ Mar 20 2012, 02:49 AM)
right, sorry. eye wrong then. LOL.

so my preferances:

- brown switch
- full size
- backlit/non-backlit

any recommendation? biggrin.gif leopold? filco? ducky?
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I think either one of them is ok, whatever cheaper/fit in your wallet will do.
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post Mar 20 2012, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE(Kenzany @ Mar 20 2012, 03:04 AM)
so further googling seems to lead me to cherry mx clear, and they are referred to as stiffer brown. just wondering anyone tried clear switches before?
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Not much. Infact not much modern board have/use them. Somemore they(clear) are EOLed in certain region since last or last last years.
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QUOTE(kaysa @ Mar 20 2012, 04:27 PM)
hmm, the PBT version is RM359,
is there a abs version that is cheaper?

Then I can get the PBT dye-sub and replace it smile.gif
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IIRC, Malaysia don't carry Ducky9008 with ABS version. Infact even the PBT version is also consider rare stuffs dy, because mostly flooded by Shine... sweat.gif


Added on March 20, 2012, 3:35 pm
QUOTE(JohnDiew0107 @ Mar 20 2012, 04:19 PM)
- This one is without back light.
- Ducky PBT key caps are lasered, not dye-subbed.

if you want to change to dye-subbed pbt key caps, YES you can, since ducky's key layout is standard
sweat.gif but I don't understand why you want to do so since it already include PBT key caps. unless you really want dye-subbed PBT, it's alright.

By the way, I don't think PBT key caps can be used for backlit since it is not translucent. What you get is just underglow. Probably nice tongue.gif
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Not sure how thick/dense PBT keycaps are, but dark black POM are definitely unpenetrable... LOL.

For ABS, I believe most of them are at least semi translucent.
Here is what I done to my BWU...
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachm...79&d=1331827124
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachm...80&d=1331827128

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QUOTE(Kenzany @ Mar 20 2012, 05:24 PM)
yea, actually.. was considering between 9008 s and g2 now.. i kinda like the red LED because it matches with my D3 peripherals.. but g2 has the PBT keycaps.. hmm.. PBT and ABS alot differences kah? drool.gif
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it is a clear choice. Pbt and backlit can't coexist. Thus if want backlit, clearly no pbt for u.
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@ Cherry MX Switches Maniac, some random (probably EOLed) old vintage Cherry Switches popped out.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?28885-L...d-ULTRA-blue%29

Clicky MX White(not clear), Heavy like shyt MX Blue(over250g)? and Clicky Grey Switch

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QUOTE(kaysa @ Mar 21 2012, 12:37 AM)
I meaning to buy the ducky 9008 PBT version, but I am gonna change it to another PBT,
so that mean the PBT that I am selling is the 9008 PBT, which is Black I think.

if you are interested, let me know. Then I will buy the keyboard 9008, and place an order for the PBT from Taobao.


Added on March 20, 2012, 11:41 pmhttp://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2224070/all

What the hell is this???
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A rubber dome bamboo keyboard. Easily found in taobao. And the seller is ripping off big time, LOL... Go dig/search in taobao for the answer...
For real Cherry MX wooden keyboard/keycaps, take a look here(and the links in there).
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?28821-W...-Wooden-Keycaps
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QUOTE(kyrmian @ Mar 21 2012, 01:00 AM)
what pbt are you buying from taobao bro?
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I think he probably want some dye-sub (thick) PBT. This is some picture of dye-sub PBT on a FILCO white(not thick one). It clearly contrast out the different between FILCO's rice white and KBC's bright white.
Pictures stolen from here:
http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-46215-1-1.html
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Mar 21 2012, 02:18 AM)
Damn... this poison is hard to resist!!!
The red and white.... , if + the red and white GH key from the bulk by Kai, it would look  thumbup.gif
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DS? Doubleshot should offer higher contrast than dye-sub normally. But PBT the best can only dye-sub.
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QUOTE(Kenzany @ Mar 21 2012, 02:26 AM)
but is white a good choice? im kinda paranoid against white products as when they start to get old, it become a lil bit stained yellow (if you get what im saying here). no?
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Not sure but heard that white PBT is quite "yellowing" resistance, provided you don't expose them to sunlight.

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QUOTE(kyrmian @ Mar 21 2012, 02:28 AM)
rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  icon_question.gif
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That is dye-sub PBT keycaps from KBC. Got 2 types, one is thicker(vintage brown and white colored) with Cherry profile(lower) while another is thinner(not sure how thin) white colored with OEM profile. Both should actually fit in any keyboards with same layout..
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QUOTE(kaysa @ Mar 21 2012, 10:21 PM)
Maybe I should get the thick dye-sub with green lettering,
I remember the first keyboard I used have some green shift or ctrl or alt or enter or such,
but other key are in white key black lettering or something......

and then decide which keyboard to get later....... brows.gif  probly be the ducky 9008 or cherry G2......
G2 is the official cherry height right? price 210.... can custom mod the spring without soldering...

anyone can tell more about the 9008(without black lit) compare to a cherry G2?
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Nope, the new Cherry MX K2.0 is using official Cherry TROLL height. A new standard of it own that want to simulate those low profile keyboard(normal with Rubber dome and scissor).
Though, it is still possible to swap with higher profile keycaps(no proof yet), but to find a replacement for Caps Lock is probably impossible for the time being... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Mar 21 2012, 11:42 PM)
He means shorter height. No sure why short is Troll.
You have something against short stuff?  tongue.gif

@Human10
Still waiting for pictures of the Capslock.
maybe can take a picture comparing the MX3800 Capslock with centered capslock, the stem side?
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Will update here when I got mine. Meanwhile, just take a look at the one I posted b4. You can see that the CapsLock switch being mounted at same distance as Tab does. From pictures I saw b4, seems like they make the switch parallel to the Tab while making the right side of keycaps sloped further and downward to fill those extra space. Imagine it like a right side elongated "Tab" key, LOL... sweat.gif


Added on March 22, 2012, 2:26 am
QUOTE(JohnDiew0107 @ Mar 21 2012, 11:52 PM)
I personally don't like low profile keys, they're pretty "gay".

Not sure why Cherry decide to go for that design tho..
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Cause low profile = "modern looks"... sweat.gif
If you throw a Model M size and shaped keyboard with other low profile scissor switch keyboard together(ignore their switch mechanism part), 99.9% of ppl out there will choose the low profile.

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QUOTE(kaysa @ Mar 22 2012, 06:34 PM)
fail to mention the materiel of keycaps, abs probably? since its backlignt.

keys roll over, no ps/2 connector.......

Non-slip rubber coating? how lasting is this? and what happen when it come off?

BWU 2?

Price?
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AFAIK, most BK keycaps out there are made of clear ABS, coated black. Some others use PC(polycarbonate).
I don't trust any rubber coating to be durable enough to resist wear and shine, not even electroplating...

It's CM branded. Ignore bout the iOne make and built quality part, I will choose this over BWU for a more ergonomic design(hate BWU's semi wrist rest and highly elevated design) and proper layout(except the bigass enter...)

EDITED: Just realised that they did make a proper US ANSI layout keyboard instead of the BIGASS ENTER(probably for Taiwan) I saw b4.

Also, is the picture in their webpage rendered? The keycaps profile seems so fake...

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QUOTE(rurushu @ Mar 22 2012, 09:19 PM)
Erm.... Human, i got this question puzzling me all this while.
If you really hate Razer's BWU so much, then how you get yourself to buy it in the first place?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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I bought it in 2 months after it reached Malaysia. Back then there is really no much choices out there.
Also there isn't must reviews on its flaw b4 I buy, so I buy it as both test water of mech kb and check quality.
Like a Malay quote - tak kenal maka tak cinta, so do with the counterpart - hate...


Added on March 22, 2012, 10:33 pm
QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Mar 22 2012, 09:28 PM)
CM Storm Trigger is selling for 129.95 euro.....that's like RM500+ here ? sweat.gif

i still can;t get over these CM branded gaming stuffs. they are still good casing and cooler makers to me
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Not necessary be that pricy(but for Malaysia pricing I unsure, RRP may be that pricy, need wait for cheaper retailer price). The RRP for Taiwan market is around 380-400ish(depend on type of switches).
http://www.armygroup.com.tw/shop/category-57-b0.html


Added on March 22, 2012, 10:39 pm
QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Mar 22 2012, 09:52 PM)
i just went through the specs. it have gold plated switches just like the 7G, with options to choose diff switches. no wonder its RM500+

i'd say its a better bargain compared to 7G with better design and backlid, with more flexible options. and 2x USB 2.0 ports. but lack PS2 connector, and the quality is unknown yet
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Actually a lot electronic stuffs out there, even those el cheapo one are claiming having "gold plated USB". Just that how many of them are actually gold plated and how much do it actually affecting...

Multiple switch option is like a normal tactic to win the market for ppl with different interest. Only some early "gaming mechanical keyboard" like to tok kok sing song(no offence, just that they often misleading ppl. I also don't deny that some of the "kok" are actually true) around with their "choice of switch", while the real reason behind is the price of switch(blue and black are cheaper back then, not sure the current market trend).

I will rather judge with the build quality first than those aesthetics and features. Aesthetics and features can still be sacrificed but hell not for quality.

For no ps2 part. If USB can somehow manage to provide a flawless USB 10KRO, ps2 no longer needed. The Trigger being in the R&D stage for too long(more than half a year since we saw it's prototype/working sample), in fact they can take a look at Tesoro Durandal(another board by iOne) which offer USB 64KRO(can count as NKRO already).

Added on March 22, 2012, 10:40 pm
QUOTE(faeizx @ Mar 22 2012, 10:09 PM)
really hazardous! drool.gif
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You want one? brows.gif

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QUOTE(torino @ Mar 22 2012, 11:04 PM)
sorry for asking reallly noob question, what is the differences between mechanical and conventional keyboard that we've used before...and why is it so expensive....just to gain some knowledge bout this... biggrin.gif
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Ok, long story short. When PC first being introduced/popularised, all keyboard is mechanical and cost over few hundred bucks. If the diminishing in size and price of PC, they know that keyboard should also be cheapen. Thus, they invented something called rubber dome. The rise of rubber dome is like a irreversible process, directly kicking mechanical keyboard out of the market.

Now, after decades the glory of mechanical keyboard had fallen, PC had becoming even cheaper and more affordable. People start to realise a need for something more comfortable, durable and quality and they seeking the answer back in the past. They found and revived the trend of mechanical keyboard(undeniable, mechanical keyboard is also become popularised thanks to those GAMING MECHANICAL KEYBOARD sweat.gif out there). As the snowball roll larger(mean larger market for mechanical keyboard), more and more parties are interested to join the trend and share a piece from the big cake.

TLDR: Mechanical keyboard is keyboard that actuate mechanically(normally with spring) while most(or can say all) conventional/normal keyboard out there is using a rubber dome to actuate, which is cheap to be manufactured large scale. Thats why the huge price different.

Mech KB normally offer more durability, comfort and thus satisfactory than rubber dome does(again, it may be subjective).

QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Mar 22 2012, 11:07 PM)
Signup for my keypad tester in my sig, then you can tell. No need to ask
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LOL, thats somehow true... But some ppl are not really that "sensitive" enough to detect there is different typing feel. For them, keyboard is something that "can type then OK lo", not necessary need to be quality or comfortable... sweat.gif

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