http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4448820/S...-2_10_2012#blog

Basically, MULES gold mining got nerfed, Phoenix got the new upgrade (+2 range), Snipe damage changed from 45 to 25+25 psioni, and APM nerf.

Well, I want Phoenix range to increase to 1 as default range, but Blizzard decided it is not good and gave +2 range...I guess it is still good...

It seems that season 6 is a good season. New maps and new patches.

apm nerf?? or emp??

apm -.- action per minute

of course i knw apm is action per minute, but nerf apm means??

how the hell do they nerf APM ingame lol? hire dark templars to hold our hands?

its a fix not nerf rofl

in order to upgrade phoenix range, must have fleet beacon.. lol

as i zerg, im quite grateful for that tqvm

phoenixes be crazy

I just want them to nerf FF time. Too long and annoying.. lol

"Snipe damage changed from 45 to 25 +25 Psionic"

mind to explain to me pls?
what's the meaning of +25 Psionic?

means against ultra and broodlord these normal units only 25 dmg. not so effective lo. only spell casters have psionic armour. means 50 dmg against HT and infestor.

well move or elst T3 Zerg unit like a food to Terrran ghost .!!

nef more Terran coz them are OP

This post has been edited by nagflar: Feb 11 2012, 04:03 PM

walao......no wonder im quitting 1v1 already...just don't bother about them nemore....

Why?? I feel like it's the most rewarding victory which I can get..

no point playing as terran when u are against tosscraft....

I know a guy who hit low masters 1v1 purely via MMM. He only knows how to play MMM.. True story..

Tosscraft? In case you were not aware, Protoss got raped hard in global world. At least this is what statistic told.

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Added on February 11, 2012, 6:34 pmDude, I am joking about the APM nerf ler...

This post has been edited by kding2: Feb 11 2012, 06:34 PM

in case you were not aware, protoss is ripping everyone's ass hardcore in GSL.

right now at this moment, 4 protoss is in gsl round of 8. the highest of all race.

immortal range buff blend a bit too well with forcefield and the cheap upgrade cost make late game protoss ball reach earlier.

Please tell me again if Protoss is the one who win the tournament.

pfft~ wats with the toss rage~
toss just make a comeback within 1 GSL season all act like toss OP
how bout previous few season ago where gomtvtvtvt??
Terran player should start play new strat instead of MMM/MMMV/MMMVG all the time

chillz, thats why i said earlier that i don't play 1v1 at the moment....im afraid im gonna go qq rambling about how OP is dat, how Up is this later...team game at least if lost, i can blame it on my teammate and other things...team games is more balance right now for me lol

So is this a QQ about how Terran is UP or Protoss is OP?

well the state of game was nvr balanced....last time terran OP, now protoss OP...owh well, now can only wait for someone to revolutionize TvP like how creatorprime did with the double forge (post upgrade buff) build.

still waiting for the day mech tvp become mainstream.

So much truth there...


Back to this new patch though, I don't think giving the Phoenix +2 range is gonna make the game balanced when it's against a Mutalisk ball.. I think +1 would make it more viable because as it is, the Phoenix already out ranges the Muta and the movement speed is also faster.. 4-5 Phoenix will be enough to stop the Zerg from using Muta properly.. Any sort of input would be nice

Its a Fleet Beacon upgrade. You won't have it till the late Mid game.

the differenceof the range upgrade is it will be more beginner friendly to micro pheonix against mutalisk. right now the range diff is only 1, if muta ball is big enuf, once turn back can 1 shot pheonix. if the range is 2, protoss user can have more reaction time. so it makes thing easier for majority. but definitely f*** things up in pro level play..in the hand of capable micro, if muta got caught by phoenix, its harder to run away...

now when i tvp i just mass 200/200 food thor/banshee/raven/marine/helion drag scv and go =) 1 wave decide decide win lose

you dont even need to know how to play to reach low master, true story

liez! i still bronze!

teach me!!

BS. I never have a floating resources in my game. I have a decent micro and macro. I can counter drop....and I still freaking Gold level.

true story.

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Added on February 12, 2012, 6:19 pmi stucked in silver for a long time too when i started playing and was very frustrated. that time, i cant really tell whats the difference between me and better players and thought i deserved better. but dont fear, keep on practice in ladder, you need to understand what you are doing more. mimic pros and try to win each and every game, dont be stubborn, learn from the better player (pros) and think why they do so. dont follow blindly, if you think you wound do A, but the pro did B in the replay. pause and think why. think why they did these decisions. since you say your mechanics is desireble, im sure you can improve when you 'get to know' the secret in the game.

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Feb 12 2012, 06:19 PM

maybe your micro and macro is decent for gold level ?

but you said everyone can get into low master....

if u play seriously, going into master will take you not more than 3 days

teach me masta!

I suck in 1v1 T__T

ur gold man, i nvr reached gold. ever.

Because i used to play a lot of 4v4

My sc2 logic works this way.. Win a lot of 1v1, don't win a lot in 4v4.. Win a lot in 4v4, don't win a lot in 1v1..

4GATE ALL THE WAY ! everytime i face protoss i go 4gate they go 4gate . gghf .bm the hell out of them .

+1

I think the nerf for Ghost is abit too much~~~ While the ghost did OP but scaling it down to 25 is abit too much for me~~~ You cant a shot a marine without shield anymore, hell u cant even snipe down a bloody zergling... Since Broodlord and ultralisk are both massive unit.. I would say 40 damnge with damage reduction on Massive unit is a better nerf..... Looking forward for more changes to come...

remain dmg but 25 dmg reduction against massive plox. when is this patch coming into play? T.T

i rmb there was a stupid nerf on infestor that got took back right away b4 the patch started. was it fungal cant attacck air or what?

twitter:

Was it the Fungal projectile where Marines can just stim and GTFO from explosion area?

i stopped long time ago becoz i know blizzard not very good at dealing with cry babies.

QQ MOAR TERRANFAGS
"OHNOES SNIPE NERF I CANNOT HARD COUNTER BROODLORDS ANYMORE' IQUIT /GG"

List of shit that makes Terran still OP :
-OP Mules
-Banshee
-bunker salvage
-polanotery fortores

This post has been edited by Sichiri: Feb 16 2012, 07:54 AM

That is quite incorrect.. The thing that makes Terran OP the most is....

MARINES.

Proven by a GSL finalist MarineKingPrime.. You won't see someone going "HydraMaster" or "StalkerBoss" because those units can be countered..

All in all, I don't really care much about QQers because when I was raging about Zerg being underpowered, all I got was to "learn to play the game". Now it's my turn to say.. learn to play the game..

u damn rite! f*** terran!
f*** em all!

Firstly, I'm not a Terran Player~~ But a protoss player~~

Secondly, I justify the nerf on Ghost, but instead of 25 +25 psionic, I would say Damage reduction on Massive unit is a better nerf

After MIA for so long, the first thing I saw is QQ again


Yuvster answer it all for you d



know more than others, (Learn 2 Play)
work more than others (Improve your own skill)
and expect less than others. (Less QQ on other races)
Shakespear's quote

You sir, sound like a Terran.

*looks at signature*

Yup I was right.

the game is balanced (and would be more balanced)...

GSL top8: 4p 3t 1z
GSL top4: 1p 2t 1z

^ pretty even race distribution at the top4

more like the skill level difference play a part in the semi final there

agree for MC v Genius game but Game 2...

Parting make 2 mistake that cost him the game. 1st game he show 3 void ray to DRG b4 attack, 2nd game he didnt FF the ram. Heart broken when I saw it. I really like to see phoenix play vs Z . Have been Parting's fans since he beat Jiakji.

Alive vs Genius will a heck of the game. DRG ZvT is too scary, I don't think Gumiho stand a chance. Calling it now, Alive vs DRG in the final.

im calling a MVP team final.

but seriously i was covering my face and shouting when i saw parting miss the FF. LIKE SERIOUSLY T.T exactly same as genius vs mkp when genius won him.

however, i think its safe to call this season's gsl to be the best of all. the competition and skill level is crazy @.@ like suddenly everyone is in super saiyan mode. everyone in code S could have been a gsl champion if it was half a year ago. (or even 3 months ago, rmb when we called leenock vs jjakji best tvz, top vs mvp best tvt.....)

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Feb 16 2012, 09:06 PM

Why OP protoss didn't make it to Top4? I thought it would be PvP in the final match..

i think it'll be alive vs gumiho...
ppl isn't giving the towel terran enough credit...
this guy is really freaking good (look at his past results and wins, darn impressive)...

as for alive, he is just totally solid...
been a fan of his since he was in TSL and i think he is one of the few terrans which could beat Genius...

anyone vote for Genius v Gumiho?

Genius v DRG 1 : 2.5
Alive v DRG 1 : 2.75
Alive v Gumiho 1 : 4.5
Genius v Gumiho 1 :5.5

i think its very well possible for any 4 combination man

DRG SHOULD f***IN WIN A GSL!!

Now that that's out of the way, I think the patch, regardless how they go, it is still just crazy for Phoenixes, a unit which can attack while moving, to have 6 range.. Against Zerg, even if I don't go Mutalisk, the Protoss player will have same range with Hydralisks which CANNOT attack while moving and literally CRAWLS when off creep. 5 range would be viable I think..

drg has a very good chance. his untouchable zvt can bring him to the finals against the winner of alive and genius. genius's late game pvt is damn good but i feel alive will have something prepare for him. just like how he fking took out MMA with amazing strategies. if alive wins, DRG's chance of getting GSL champion is damn high, like nestea vs inca, mc vs july that kind of high. but if its genius again......genius had won DRG in round of 32 this season 2-0.......its going to be funny and i would put my bet on the cunning genius if its an MVP final.

it is sad how every is counting Gumiho out of this =(

i'll still go with Gumiho vs Alive finals though i find Genius deserve the GSL title more (damn u Davit) followed by DRG (i want DRG to stay in the Kong line so he cant really win a GSL title yet)

I am calling a Genius vs DRG finals though. Be kinda awkward for them, but i think epic too.

And to be honest, i don't want a Terran in the finals at all least to say TvT

And yes i fear for Genius, Alive strategy is really really well planned and thought out. Arguably MMA was sick on the day he fought Alive, but the 1st game they played blew my mind already. Anyway, i am glad if either of the 4 semi finalists won. Totally deserving winner.

I need to go catch up on my GSL goodness.. work has been so f***in crazy tiring these days and between work and catching up on my SC2 time, watching VODs is something my mind can't do..

How i play as protoss in the new patch

What is the result for GSL now? Who is the winner?

its not played yet, even semi final is not played yet.

thats how you play a tosscraft!! lol!

where to find VODS??

Um.. Pay for it? XD

icic~~ thank you..

this patch will be online on 21 feb for NA server and 27 feb for SEA

Next week? There goes my Muta harassment against Protoss..

playing 24/7 b4 they update patch

how did a patch discussion turn into a GSL Finals discussion?

Cuz that's just how we roll around here.. I REALLY need to learn how to play infestors.. Or I'll be f***ed..

anyone know how to counter siege tanks + vikings?

i knew how to play infestors. but i didnt knew how to play ultralisks. i lost a winning game cuz of that.

sour. f***ing terrans and their god damn siege tanks.

ultralisk - the legit way to throw games

ok

better composition of siege tanks n viking
or marauder medivac vikings

as a terran? marauder vikings.

TvT is always positioning, no right or wrong unit composition. hardest MU of all imo. I do understand a bit now after 1 year of playing TvT. Send us the replay in terran strategy thread and quest will answer for you

since when u play 1v1 game? season 1?

if siege tank viking vs siege tank viking, just add raven for pdd, so much diff. but i personally dont like to clash playstyle, so boring and you cant exploit timings.

i played a few just before season end just to league myself

the siege tanks wont wipe out the marauders? do i need to spread them out while marching in?

well, what you need to do is catch the tanks unsiege. if their tanks are sieged, they can nvr move in to kill you right? if they siege half unsiege half to crawl in, their fire power will still be reduced by half, if you are 200/200 you still can go in. then you replenish your marauder ball faster than his tank ball and you can win. and your upgrades should be faster too because marauders are cheap on gas and can easily mass produce compare to tanks.

but then this is the stupid way la. you can still do it tho.

the smarter way is hide a lot of vikings, then suddenly kill all his vikings with your viking ball. then use medivac to drop your marauder on top of his siege tank and win easily.

bio is nt really ez to play vs mech imho...
u need really good map awareness n control to abuse the mobility and catching tanks unsiege...
macro is important as well in getting more bases and upgrades...
i think unless u are diamond, better to jz go tank viking as well >.<

i actually think instead of going tank viking vs tank viking, lower league players should go bio vs mech.... i dno but i feel in mech vs mech, seriously the better player wins. thats like fact in sc2. bane ling vs bane ling, the btr player wins. 4gate vs 4 gate and alot more...thats why i mentioned earlier i prefer not to have a clash of style in my games cuz im a noob hehe.

when playing diff style, you can exploit opponents weakness and try to hide your own....more mind game maybe, but comeback will be possible when you exploit the right timing. but these requires experience as well.

and playing mech vs bio is like up hill battle seriously. your opponent will constantly trade with you, can nvr move out of base, once move out, 4 dropship behind base, kena flank, trade army at watch tower, then when you settle down and move in again, his bio is 200/200 again because he got 6 base in taldarim and you have 3 only.

maybe the starport transition of viking banshee?
i mean he even asked the question of splitting his marauders, i think his army gonna melt to tanks >.<
of course doom drops would work great though since i dun think they are used to turret rings/ sensor towers yet...

viking + siege tank counters everything bro....i actually asked someone this question and he told me something i never thought about!!! NUKE. nuke his siege and he will unsiege then marauders rush in = win.

also mass vikings can pull a little trick call heat seeking missle, why i never think about this yesterday!!?!? i went BC instead. lol

Why is this thread became Terran discussion?

Again I say, cuz this is just how we roll around here.. And the transition from Patch discussion to GSL Finals discussion to Terran strategy discussion is something of beauty I must say.. Hahaha

OPness knows no boundaries

This post has been edited by FLampard: Feb 21 2012, 11:00 PM

nuke range < tank range. opponent just need to scan and tank will kill the ghost......well, yeah slayers boxer could have pulled it off.......

and theres no such thing as viking + siege tank counters everything......if so, everyone will just use that 1 strat right?


i could prove you otherwise any day of the week. marauders are good against tank.

for HSM, actually PDD are very good as well. they absorb f***load of shots.