Can any of you enlighten me on which university is better for medical? In terms of recognition, quality, etc..

This post has been edited by TheRealAlexis: Jan 27 2012, 03:57 PM

Monash : Very Expensive and high entry requirement. Pass the aptittude test baru cakap.
Nescastle : Also expensive and Also high entry requirement. It's very new in malaysia. Dare to become "white mice" ?
IMU : Lower price than the above two, good facilities, but...............too many foreign lecturer.

Why not open wider choices by searching more information such as UCSI and Manipal? Good Luck!

I don't think the entry requirement is high at all for Monash msia >< Unless you're referring to Monash clayton. I think IMU and monash is about the same in terms of fees. TS are you referring to Monash Sunway? Hmm, If you're well funded, and good enough to enter either of these three, then I'll go with IMU-PMS > Monash > IMU-local > Newcastle.

I believe for private institutions in Malaysia, Monash has the highest requirements.

Not true....people who are rejected by imu have been accepted in monash.....with atar below 95 and isat in the last quartile.......looks like monash is now scraping the bottom of the barrel........while imu pms remains highly sort after......for obvious reasons......

I also believe that these are individual cases and does not represent the majority....

Actually, to get into medicine into most of the Russell Group of universities in the UK, you need only 3As and not even A*. I find it funny that most prefer to go IMU pms instead of direct entry. Maybe the personal statement and the interview do have a significant influence on the application.

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Added on January 27, 2012, 10:27 pmThese are those that may have been rejected at the interview stage and not on academic ability.

This post has been edited by cckkpr: Jan 27 2012, 10:27 PM

or rejected due to their ISAT scores.

They might want to save up some money, but i'm not saying IMU is cheap though. It's still wise to opt for direct entry. Either that, they are just reluctant to leave their comfort zone AKA their home/friends/family.

Applicants need to read up on each indivdual uni's "preferences", if you like. Some are UKCAT heavy, and interviews are called based on one's UKCAT's scores, eg Sheffield. Some interview invites are based on PS, eg Liverpool. And even though it's stated 3As, you will notice that applicants are applying with one or two or all 3 A*s now. Some Asians have 4 A*s, on top of credible UKCAT scores, and impressive PS.

Merely 3As will not be sufficient for UK unis. I have friend with 4A* but not so strong UKcat was rejected by all 4 unis. Another 3A* friend was called by only one uni for interview.

Medical work experience is perequisite for UK unis. I shadowed some doctors for a few weeks, I volunteer in hospice and went to kampung to visit terminally ill patients.

Beside that, UKcat or Bmat and PS is very impt in the application to secure some interviews. After that, is up to your perfomance during interview.

The 3As is only the basic requirement, in reality, you need more than that. UK unis have very low quota for international students. Abt 20s per uni on average. That make it very competitive.

This post has been edited by eliselam: Jan 28 2012, 12:23 AM

Hi, a bit off-topic, but I wanna ask a question: Do all medicine school (university) always carry out an interview to choose those who intend to study medicine in their schools? I know UTAR and IMU do. So....if it's true, it's competitive, right?

Are you done with all your interviews? Good experience?

it is so much easier to get into imu pms than direct......no need tests, no personal statements, and no need real interview.....and can get in even with bbb if it's a weak cohort......

Bluntly, at least half of imu pms students will not get in direct if they tried.....and many will have......

Some in the Russell group give conditional offers pending release of A2 results and it only indicated that A in Chemistry n 2 other As in Bio/physics/Maths. Agreed with you that a stint in a hospital is a much added advantage.

Have attended 4 interviews, one more to go in Feb. It was quite interesting but nerve wrecking as each uni has different approah. But my palliative exp helps a lot as I was asked on it and mercy killing.

Have received offerd from Kings College and Trinity. Still waiting for others before I firm up my choice.

CONGRATULATIONS!! Let us know in "calling all medical students" thread when you've decided, if you don't mind. There should be a new LY "stalking medical students/applicants 2012" thread.

Thanks. It is such a relief.

These are the minimum, not the optimum. Not the same thing if you care think about it. For example, it's like saying the minimum money one need to eat in KL is RM10 but the optimum may be RM50 or RM100 etc.

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Added on January 28, 2012, 1:50 pmYa, I believe many uses this as back door entry to 'better' universities. In other word, they can't get in through the front door.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 28 2012, 01:50 PM

The conditional offer letter said 3As ....,.

This post has been edited by cckkpr: Jan 28 2012, 02:35 PM

This is how thing sometime works. The more they wanted you, the lower the grade needed.

AFAIK, 3A is the minimum. Then they look at your attitude and all sorts of other test and if they think you will become the next Mother Terasa, they may even set CCC for you.

I am not saying that works all the time, just some of the time.

if there is already a conditional offer, the applicant would already have succeeded in the interview, which would mean this applicant had good UKCAT scores and/or impressive PS (reflecting amongst other things, work experience).

That was what I am trying to tell that you don't really need A* except for the elite few and even then, it would be 2A* plus an A. I also agree that an impressive PS helps a lot as the interview do focus on your "key" points in the PS. Having an experienced mentor/lecturer to review your PS is very very important.

Funny, because even the University of Western Sydney requires A*A*AA for entry into their MBBS

http://www.uws.edu.au/medicine/som/applyin...onal_applicants

Btw, podrunner, has your son decided on which medical school he's going to?


This post has been edited by Huskies: Jan 28 2012, 06:18 PM

that requirement will only specify at best, the top 6% of the a levels cohort, so not a very strict criteria.....remember up to 6% of students will get 3 a*..........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 28 2012, 06:55 PM

Very likely UTAS atm.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Jan 31 2012, 08:44 PM

Not all interviwers focus on PS. Some unis are heavy on ethics, eg Kings. Some are MMI like St Georges and Manchester ( if interview in UK). For me, no questions were asked on PS during my 3 interviews except for one which picked on some topic I mentioned.

But before u get the interview, u have to impress them on your PS and your result. For some uni in UK, they received 3500 applications for abt 300 places, and only abt 20s for international. So a candidate with 3 A will not be so impressive as someone with 4A*. They might give u 3A as condotional offer, that does not mean that with a predicted 3A, u will even get an offer of interview.

This post has been edited by eliselam: Jan 28 2012, 09:01 PM

The application was made last October using AS results and only sat for A2 last November. Interview held in Dec and conditional offer was given before A2 results was released last Monday. I find it odd that those already with results like 4A* or 3A* got rejected or did not manage to secure any interviews. Is it the PS one of the key determinants?

Ukcat, PS and school reference.

Any idea if the rejected applicants with 4A* or 3A* applied to the same unis as the applicant with conditional offer? It will still boil down to each unis' weighting on each of the main criteria.

Thanks for all the useful information. So, in short which university is best for mbbs? I mean in Malaysia though

So which UK university does interview in Malaysia nowadays?

If you are not looking to recover your return of investment then Monash should be top picks.

From another forum :

Sheffield
Durham
Keele
Liverpool
Newcastle
Soton
Glasgow

In the past:
Manchester
Bristol
Cambridge
Nottingham UK

Now no more?

Not sure about Notts, but the other three interviews in Singapore apparently. Some who are called for interviews will opt to fly to the UK.

Hey thanks for replying!
If you don't mind me asking, will hosp/clinics either private or government, likely accept Monash than IMU grads or the other way around? Or both the same? I'm quite confused :S i know that we have to work for the govt either way.

Yeah why not? both the same. For private you can work anywhere in Malaysia as long as there are spaces available in the hospital. Will there be patients or not is another story altogether.

Another question, is Monash Malaysia already approved by the MMC? I'm pretty sure the 1st batch of mbbs have already graduated ^^

Yes already approved...

University and website full of con
*claimed in the website
#reality

*The NUMed Malaysia five-year MB BS programme is identical to that of Newcastle's UK provision.
#not identical in term of delivery and teaching, NUMED full of Philippines and third word country lectures. Newcastle's UK trained by recognized doctors.

*The Newcastle UK MB BS programme is recognised by:
• General Medical Council, UK(GMC)
• Malaysian Medical Council (MMC)
• Sri Lankan Medical Council (SLMC)
• The Medical Council of Thailand
• Medical Council of India
# It is actually, The Newcastle Malaysia (not UK) MB BS programme is recognised by
• General Medical Council, UK(GMC)
• Malaysian Medical Council (MMC)
• Sri Lankan Medical Council (SLMC)
• The Medical Council of Thailand
• Medical Council of India
*Our programme is equivalent to the one delivered at our Medical School in the UK. Following successful completion of the programme you will be awarded the degrees Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MB BS) by Newcastle University, UK.
# degrees Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MB BS) awarded by right not same (something fishy here)
Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MB BS) by Newcastle University, UK recognized worldwide
But
Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MB BS) by Malaysia campus only recognized Malaysia, Thiland, India, Sri Lankan and UK
Looks like two different degree by actual which they are calming a same degree.

*Newcastle University Medical School is a world leading collaboration of research scientists, medical doctors and teaching professionals with a reputation for innovation and excellence for both research and teaching.
#Numed is not catogarised as a world leading collaboration of research scientists, medical doctors and teaching professionals with a reputation for innovation and excellence for both research and teaching.
*Newcastle University was confirmed as one of the leading universities for medicine in the world by the Leiden Ranking. It places our Faculty of Medical Sciences in the Top 50 in the world for biomedical and health sciences.
#Numed is not catogarised as one of the leading universities for medicine in the world by the Leiden Ranking. The Faculty of Medical Sciences is in the Top 50 in the world for biomedical and health sciences.

*We are among the best British universities for medicine in The Times/Sunday Times Good University Guide 2017 and The Complete University Guide 2018.
#Numed is not catogarised among the best British universities for medicine in The Times/Sunday Times Good University Guide 2017 and The Complete University Guide 2018.
*Our research ranked 9th overall in the UK in the ‘Clinical Medicine’ category (Research Excellence Framework 2014).
#Numed is not catogarised ranked 9th overall in the UK in the ‘Clinical Medicine’ category (Research Excellence Framework 2014).

*We're also in the top 150 universities in the world in the QS World University Rankings by Subject 2017.
#Numed is not catogarised among the top 150 universities in the world in the QS World University Rankings by Subject 2017.
*Newcastle has become one of 18 universities in the world, and only two in the UK, to achieve five plus QS Stars from QS Quacquarelli Symonds, the first international assessment of its kind. More than 150 universities in over 35 countries have now signed up to the QS Stars rating system
#Numed is not catogarised as one of 18 universities in the world, and only two in the UK, to achieve five plus QS Stars from QS Quacquarelli Symonds, the first international assessment of its kind. More than 150 universities in over 35 countries have now signed up to the QS Stars rating system

The actually fact NUMED is some of low ranking university similar as AMIST in Malaysia; top university in the country are all the public university in Malaysia

The true fact NUMED is a leading private university in Malaysia hot selling degree in the Malaysia market because of the word cooperation of “Newcastle” also of its link to its parents university in UK.

Note: Information given here is a personal investigation, student enrolling to NUMED need to validate deep with the parent University Newcastle

Hi Calling for anyone from Newcastle medical grad .. Any idea is it true, post Covid and postBrexit recently, many Newcastle MBBS graduate secured housemanship job in UK ?

That is true .....Similarly , Monash graduates securing housemanship in Australia.

This post has been edited by tpleong: Nov 30 2023, 06:37 PM

really ,, that's great .. hopefully can last for another 5 or 6 years

I see a lot IMU grads now high profile consultants

Do read what is going on in the UK now though. Apart from the junior doctors' strikes, google "physician associates" etc, in the UK. Not all rosy there.

The NHS is not a good place to work at the moment….

hahahaha, i thought NHS was never a good place to work for in the 1st place, ever.

Things should improve going forward esp when the economy gets better n less funds channeled to the Ukraine war.

even b4 the Ukraine war, NHS was in bad state

Not as bad as here, overworked n under paid. Decent working hours, good annual leave n plenty of opportunities to learn n grow.

Hi! How are you? Offspring still in the UK, I gather?
Son still there, 2 odd years to CCT. Still believes in the NHS, but also thinks should be paid more.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Mar 1 2024, 02:17 PM

Hi, hope you r doing well.
Yeah, still there 2 more years to be a nephrologist.
Still ongoing strikes. Consultants not happy with earlier adjustments n doctors still fighting.

Uk has two many misplaced priorities n the huge migrants problem.

Am well, thanks. Looks like we both will have a nephrologist in the family. 😂

Agree with you on their so-called policies. British trained doctors should also be prioritised for specialty training. And now the controversies surrounding PAs.

Oh, surprised with their choice.

She’s coming back this month for a short break. And we are going to Japan for a holiday.

Haven’t been in UK for quite sometime. Do miss the nice cool weather. Especially now, which is crazy hot.

Have a great holiday! Son was back for about 4 weeks last month. Relishing the ability to take longer holidays now, before he's not able to soon.
We were in the UK middle of last year, pleasant as not in London.

https://www.msn.com/en-my/health/other/it-s...48a54c52a&ei=18

Apparently the NHS consultants have capitulated and signed off on the modified pay increment for the senior doctors. The junior consultants (less than 10 years) got the short end of the stick but it’s still better than nothing.

The same can’t be said of the junior (non-consultant grade) doctors…. Still striking.