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post Sep 11 2012, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 11 2012, 07:29 AM)
....high quality reliable CD/DVD media?
Me experience failure on several expensive brands too.
Anyway what's your recommended brand and model for very reliable DVD media?
As I've used numerous CD/DVD before, the reliable ones are these... cool2.gif

Mitsubishi Sonic-AZO Crystal Black 48X CDR and Mitsubishi Dyn-AZO 8X DVD+R
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The Crystal Black is an excellent performer (used it often for audio discs). That DVD+R for lots of my Anime collection. wub.gif Though they are quite hard to find already (can be still bought if you can find them). Thus nowadays using this one also...

Mitsubishi Dyn-AZO 16X DVD+R
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Newer one seems to be holding up well despite some criticisms from others (about the thinner recording layer). There are others like Kodak Gold Ultima 4X/8X CDR (original gold disc, not the later silver greenish ones), Mistusbishi Super-AZO 24X CDR and Mitsubishi Dyn-AZO 4X DVD-R though they are EOL'ed already. Some of my Prodisc ones (sold under various names) also survived. Many of them retained their data until today. wink.gif

QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 11 2012, 07:29 AM)
PS Ok or not to store them in dry box with dehumidifier - like that ones use for keeping camera and lens. << Can?  hmm.gif
No need to be that careful. Just keep them in a closed cupboard (not transparent cupboard) away from bright lights as well as sunlight. Throw in a few packs of silica gel if worry about humidity. icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Sep 11 2012, 09:11 AM)
long time ago i also backup my anime/movie/data to cd/dvd...just that the top layer peer off and the whole disc not readable....
the surface also got weird white spot.....
Top layer peeling off? Is that Imation discs? What are the DVDR brands you've used? hmm.gif

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post Sep 11 2012, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 11 2012, 12:16 PM)
It used to be the believe and consensus that AV drives ignore errors at the expense of speed and continuity. You are right but what is not often mentioned is that these AV drives can also be used for dual function because of the dual set of ATA commands residing in these drives that is specific for PVRs and ones that are usually used on the PC.

You can refer to the ATA command sets from the SV35 product manual from page 28 onwards;

http://www.seagate.com/files/staticfiles/s...s/100687219.pdf
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An older technology paper from Seagate on their SV35 line of drives confirms this;

http://www.axetech.be/Pdf/Accessoires/HD/S...V35%20QandA.pdf
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I don't have direct links or papers from WD's AV line of drives but if I recall, they also confirm that there is no harm using AV drives for normal desktop usage. I would incline to believe so since they also adopt these same standard ATA-7 command set.
Thanks for the information, though I still don't trust these drives 100% for data storage. Perhaps its the perception from the technology differences, but I would rather stick to the normal desktop drives for computer usage... wink.gif

QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Sep 11 2012, 03:52 PM)
last time every brand of cdr and dvdr...(some know brand some chick brand)
even verbatim also same....
Cap ayam brands, of course many of them cannot last long. Very much depends on the batch and the OEM also (some will degrade within months of usage, some will last longer). As for Verbatim, even though they are supposed to be the same company as Mitsubishi very often not all their media are not produced by Mitsubishi at all. They have media from Daxon, Prodisc, CMC Magnetics, etc as well. Verbatim is a generic marketing brandname. That's why if you noticed, I prefer the "Mitsubishi" brand directly rather than Verbatim. At least I know they are original MCC (Mitsubishi) media. That's doesn't mean all Mitsubishi discs are original Mitsubishi media, as they also have "low budget" discs for "picky" (cheapskate) consumers which are not original Mitsubishi media (very often from Daxon and Prodisc). Examples below...

This one is from Daxon....
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This one is from Prodisc....
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One good indicator is the price of the media itself, as well as the model (refer to the pictures I've posted for original Mitsubishi media in my previous post about reliable media). brows.gif

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post Sep 11 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Sep 11 2012, 04:19 PM)
my local pc shop hard to find good dvd/cd,
if i ask for good one, they all will say "verbatim"..
Probably because Verbatim is Mitsubishi (both literally the same company). Unfortunately as mentioned above, not all their discs are original MCC (Mitsubishi) media. Very much depends on the batch and model your local shop brings in (possibly the cost also have to be taken into account)... tongue.gif

QUOTE(Milky b0Y @ Sep 11 2012, 11:40 AM)
my Western Digital crashed recently and now I could not opened it. It's still in warranty after I checked the website however is there any shops that could repair it?

I checked with Western Digital itself and it doesn't seem they accept products to repair.
QUOTE(Milky b0Y @ Sep 11 2012, 12:56 PM)
I'm not too sure on this But doesn't WD have any authorized retailers here that can repair it?
Nopes, they do NOT repair. IF its under warranty then send to RMA and they will usually send either a refurbished drive or a brand new drive. There is no such thing as HDD repair policy from HDD manufacturers. Shops cannot repair also since they do not have to the proper equipment for the job. Any repairs will require the manufacturer's sophisticated in-factory custom equipment (which includes the platter defect list mapping and drive firmware programming). If you want to recover your data, then you will have to look for professional data recovery services which are expensive (can cost anywhere from hundreds to thousands of RM)... sweat.gif

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post Sep 11 2012, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 11 2012, 05:48 PM)
It's funny how with 512 byte format, others were playing catch up in terms of speed and capacity. Too bad they were short-lived in the market.
That 512-byte format has been there since days of floppy drive. Most of the ancient HDDs use 512-bytes also... tongue.gif

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 11 2012, 05:48 PM)
I actually have not looked at DVD media for a very long time. Since you mention about price, how much do the quality ones cost?
Nearly RM1 per piece usually, even for the CDR also (roughly RM47 to RM49 for 50-pieces cakebox). Based on KL prices, elsewhere may be different (much higher) brows.gif

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post Sep 12 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(Vcys86 @ Sep 11 2012, 08:31 PM)
Hi, I am using a desktop PC
If your desktop PC has eSATA connection, then use that. nod.gif

QUOTE(Vcys86 @ Sep 11 2012, 08:31 PM)
Hi, hope you can help me here too. smile.gif
If you would to recommend a 3.5" HDD for normal conventional PC usage, which would be your choice ya.

Also, the casing recommendation too if can.
For just data storage, usually I stick to Western Digital Caviar Green or Western Digital Caviar Blue. As for casing, can't recommend much as there are lots of choices. Usually I would prefer a PC-based NAS with RAID 1, RAID 0+1 or RAID 5 setup. Those dedicated NAS boxes are cheap but cramped inside plus PSU quality is unknown (furthermore I don't like external AC adapters, for good reasons)... wink.gif

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 11 2012, 09:29 PM)
Thanks for the info. From the prices, to back up 2TB worth of data, you would need close to 425 pieces of DVDs which translates to about RM 400 thereabouts.

Writing speed of the DVD at 8x is about 11MB/s but on average should be slightly slower but we take it to be 11MB/s for simple calculations. That takes about a little over 7 minutes per disc. Counting on that alone without the time you need to swap out the disc and put in a new one (oh, you need to label it too but you can do this while you're waiting for the other disc to be burned), you would require more than 49 hours straight ! Has anybody given thought about this?
Well, no one and not even myself will spend that many long hours continuously burning discs. Usually would do it bit-by-bit, sometimes daily and sometimes slowly/occassionally when have some spare time. tongue.gif

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 11 2012, 09:29 PM)
A decent 2TB drive which would be RM 100 less than the DVD solution, faster to backup and best part is you can do full backup or even run incremental backup while you're sleeping.
That's the cost of one HDD only. As mentioned previously, practice redundancy (have another one for duplicating/mirroring the same contents) which means another HDD, and/or backup to CD/DVD media. Not everyone knows about using two HDDs unfortunately. Also if one HDD fails, then have to get another new one quickly and duplicate the data while sending the failed HDD for RMA. icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 11 2012, 09:29 PM)
Anyway, I mentioned this before and for small amounts of data, backing up to DVD has it's place but in this age and time where hardisk size and data is in huge proportions, DVD backup is a little cumbersome.
With HDDs, its like putting all your eggs into one basket. If that very same HDD fails suddenly, then bye bye all those data (or prepare to splash few hundreds to thousands at those professional data recovery services). sweat.gif

QUOTE(sI Taufu @ Sep 11 2012, 09:39 PM)
More reasonable for backup by HDD than multiple DVDs in term of space and storage management.
Hundreds of DVDs are very easy to be mess up. tongue.gif
Tell me about it, keeping track of them can be tedious. At least I have a backup in case of HDD failure. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Sep 13 2012, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(killer1 @ Sep 12 2012, 03:58 AM)
I had a 3.5" hard disk which i bought the casing seperately. After 2 years of usage, the light turn on when i connect to my laptop but wont run. Is there something wrong with the casing or the hard disk had broken down?
Have you tried connecting it direct (via SATA or IDE) to a desktop PC? hmm.gif

QUOTE(everling @ Sep 12 2012, 11:17 AM)
Restoring 2TB of data from a 2TB HDD is a lot more easier than restoring from a 400+ DVD collection. Worse still if we're talking about more than 2TB of data. If you take into account of your time spent monitoring the creation of your DVDs and the restoration of your HDD from your DVDs, I think it'll be cheaper, faster and less stressful by buying spare HDDs. It will also be easier to create a third copy of everything if you don't trust your single backup copy.
That would be a lot of spare HDDs. Caveat is make sure all the HDDs are OK from time to time. If one fails then (as mentioned earlier) have to make another copy with a new HDD (while waiting for the failed HDD to return from RMA). Have to constantly have two duplicate copies at least. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Vcys86 @ Sep 12 2012, 11:39 AM)
Sorry lex, more Q here.
1. So I should get some casing with eSATA connection available right?
2, Those casing still able to connect through USB 2.0 or USB 3.0 right?
There are special casings for eSATA connections. There are also internal ones for PCs, that features removable drive bays. Anyway, eSATA is not USB connection. eSATA is a much more direct connection, in fact very direct (because it is external SATA). icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(Vcys86 @ Sep 12 2012, 11:39 AM)
3. If my current Mobo do not have USB 3.0, can I buy a USB 3.0 interface card to slot in? May I know around how much?
4. Ya, too much of casing choices, have no idea which one to go for.  sweat.gif I think i dont need NAS or RAID at this moment yet. Any good brand for casing to recommend a? unsure.gif
Like I've mentioned earlier, I'm not that keen into those external casings anymore (which I find them very unreliable). wink.gif

QUOTE(Vcys86 @ Sep 12 2012, 04:33 PM)
This motherboard has eSATA port... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Sep 26 2012, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Sep 24 2012, 09:24 PM)
My Seagatr 1TB drives is dying and I am now beginning the laborious process of.salvaging whatevet files I could. I will trafer the most important 100GB first. All the movies will be lost I'm afraid. Hope I manage to transfer the important can't duplicate stuff first. Hopr I can make it.
Try using specialized data recovery software to scan, recover and reconstruct your files. Make sure the destination of the recovered files in on another HDD. Depending on the condition of the HDD, prepare to wait for hours to days until the recovery process is complete... hmm.gif


 

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