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post Feb 21 2012, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Feb 21 2012, 02:39 PM)
what do you guys think of the MyBook Essential? i plan on getting a 2TB one
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It looks nice enough. I'd buy it.
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post Feb 26 2012, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(iSean @ Feb 25 2012, 10:02 PM)
Okay my cousin just drop by my house and left a Buffalo Hard Drive at my home.
Due to my itchy hands I pick it up and snap 2 photos with it.
But with the real statement is Is USB 3.0 capable of really brings out 5Gbps?
Ops, forgotten take the photo at the back brb.
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USB 3.0 is indeed specced for 5Gbps raw transfers. This translates to 625 megabyte/s of raw data transfers, including protocol overheads.

HDDs however will be limited to how fast they can read/write data from/to their platters, which may be around 150 MB/s for performance HDDs. SATA 6.0 Gbps SSDs will be able to more fully utilise the USB 3.0's bandwidth.

QUOTE(bobbey @ Feb 26 2012, 10:29 AM)
I got a problem here. Last 3 days, my laptop had been infected with virus. In order to me to get the data back, I went to buy SSD for my laptop and the original HDD I take out and I put in a HDD enclosure. The problem here is my laptop cant detect the HDD. I open disk management and saw the HDD is there but i cant open it.
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I'm not sure what is going on. It could be a faulty HDD enclosure.

Try putting your HDD back into your laptop and see if it will boot or not. It is possible to remove most virus infections, although it is still recommended to reformat the HDD, in case it left behind a rootkit or opened security holes. If your HDD works when back in the laptop, I'd suggest trying to use a desktop instead, just be careful in ensuring your infected HDD does not boot so it doesn't infect any other storage device in the desktop.

QUOTE(CwwKiT @ Feb 26 2012, 02:07 PM)
so , anyway to make it back to normal? or its gonna be like this perm?
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If you are lucky, it will be temporary. But it seems more probable that you are not. You should make preparations, backing up important data and budgeting for replacement hardware.

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post Feb 26 2012, 02:55 PM

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Compressed air is the standard recommendation.

Personally, I use a brush and then take my time reassembling my desktop. I do not know how risky is this, but it seems to have worked out well enough for me.
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post Mar 1 2012, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(ahsiah @ Mar 1 2012, 02:44 PM)
Do you guys think it is going to take long? If supply is short means sales is low too. Then how those HDD manufacturer makes money and survive?
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Most of their money comes from selling to manufacturers like Dell, HP, Apple, etc. The retail market isn't necessary for their survival or profit.
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post Mar 5 2012, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(xDarkKnightx @ Mar 4 2012, 10:06 AM)
I haven't send my Seagate back yet. The data inside is valuable to me >.<

But my spinpoint is still in rma after so long. Any ways to check it? Thank you very much though
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Seagate bought Samsung's HDD division a while back, so Samsung HDDs are now handled by Seagate. From the other's RMA experience with Samsung hardware recently, Seagate will return you a Seagate HDD.
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post Mar 6 2012, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(harryfoo @ Mar 5 2012, 03:24 PM)
So all the Samsung HDD is produce by Seagate's factory now?
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Seagate probably now owns the Samsung factories which produces the Samsung HDDs. I do not know how Seagate is handling their ex-Samsung properties or their future plans. Although we could guess from how Seagate handled their previous acquisitions, like Maxtor.

QUOTE(xDarkKnightx @ Mar 5 2012, 07:12 PM)
How long do these bad sector RMA's usually take?
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It shouldn't be abnormally long. I suggest that you follow up with your seller, Samsung and Seagate to make sure that your HDD wasn't lost in a SNAFU. Please don't be surprised if Samsung simply redirects you to Seagate, as the buck should stop there.

QUOTE(kenji88 @ Mar 5 2012, 07:45 PM)
when i open my computer, and right click the d: drive the drive will delay 20-30 second.but i right the drive c: did't have delay problem..why?
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It is probably because your operating system decided to turn off unused HDDs to save power. This happens if your Power Options (in the advanced configuration) is told that it may turn off your HDDs if they were idle for X amount of time. You can 'fix' this by increasing the amount of idle time or tell your power configuration to never turn off your HDDs. This feature can actually be useful if you have a lot of HDDs and you rarely use some of them.

QUOTE(sotong168 @ Mar 5 2012, 11:42 PM)
had rma-ed quite a numbers of hdd; samsung i claimed frm local samsung service centre whereas hitachi, wd, seagate i poslaju back, usually 7 - 10 days i get the replacement unit regardless of bad sectors or faulty pcb.
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From what I had read, Samsung service centres now don't entertain Samsung HDD RMAs. Was this information false?
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post Mar 7 2012, 11:59 AM

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Looks like the HDD manufacturers have finally settled on Western Digital, Seagate and Toshiba. Hopefully it will remain positively stable.

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Western Digital will be allowed to acquire Hitachi’s 2.5” and SSD businesses, but not the 3.5” business. Instead Western Digital will be selling that business to Toshiba – factories and all – along with granting licenses for the necessary patents, which would allow Toshiba to effectively continue in the 3.5” market from where Hitachi left off.  This would firmly establish Seagate, Western Digital, and Toshiba as the 3 major players in the hard drive business across all product segments.

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Finally, it would appear that this is as far as the EU and FTC are willing to let the hard drive market contract, at least at this time. Their various rulings have made it clear that they will block any attempt at consolidating the market to two manufacturers, so the wave of acquisitions that started in 2009 should be at an end.
Western Digital To Sell Hitachi's 3.5” Hard Drive Business To Toshiba, Complete Hitachi Buyout
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QUOTE(logit85 @ Mar 7 2012, 12:18 PM)
so WD Will be make stable right ???
when start begin for stable
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If you're asking about reliability, I doubt that this event will significantly change it. And on the small chance that it does, we're not likely to see any changes for a couple of months at the least. Assuming that there is valuable technology to assimilate, it will take WD time to integrate Hitachi's technology.
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post Mar 7 2012, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Mar 7 2012, 03:27 PM)
So Toshiba will stop making 2.5" HDD and concentrate on making 3.5" HDD? I thought toshiba specialize in 2.5", this means they have to relearn the tech again? I think WD really got the bad side of the deal this time.
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This would firmly establish Seagate, Western Digital, and Toshiba as the 3 major players in the hard drive business across all product segments.

With this exchange, all three will be somewhat equal in the HDD business. Toshiba will gain the ability to compete in the 3.5" market.

QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Mar 7 2012, 03:27 PM)
Gosh its a 2 step backwards just to accomodate those stupid union fairplay laws  doh.gif . Why don't they go after Seagate as well, since Samsung was a much more major player compared to Hitachi. sweat.gif  shakehead.gif
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Perhaps it is because the Samsung acquisition was completed first. Or perhaps more money exchanged hands in the Samsung deal.
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post Mar 13 2012, 07:06 PM

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Try reading the following guide to disable the WD Green's idle behaviour first before you buy an external casing.

How to Stop Excessive Load Cycles on the Western Digital 2TB Caviar Green (WD20EARS) with WDIDLE3

The WDIDLE3 download page does not say if it is compatible with the Green drives, but a WD Community Manager posted the following:

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Sorry, but our agent didn't know that this policy was just changed.  Current WDIDLE3 works with the RE and GP drives listed below.

RE Drives - WD1000FYPS-01ZKB0, WD7500AYPS-01ZKB0, WD7501AYPS-01ZKB0

GP Drives - WD20EADS, WD20EARS, WD15EADS, WD15EARS, WD10EADS, WD10EARS, WD8000AARS, WD7500AADS, WD7500AARS, WD6400AADS, WD6400AARS, WD5000AADS, WD5000AARS

WDIDLE3
http://support.wdc.com/product/download.as...sid=113&lang=en
Source: http://community.wdc.com/t5/Desktop/Green-...-p/15731/page/2
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post Mar 22 2012, 11:30 AM

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If you RMA, you will lose the data on it because the manufacturers won't bother to fix the HDD and give you back another HDD; check the serial numbers if you got back the same model.

If you really want the data, the easiest solution is to send it for data recovery. Please bear in mind that you're likely to spend at least a few hundred ringgit anyway if you try to fix it yourself. You may need to buy HDDs for their PCBs as some PCBs may not work for you, then you may discover that the problem wasn't with the PCB but something else, etc etc, and then finally discover that your data was completely lost, either through the original damage or you had damaged it while trying to fix it.
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Mar 22 2012, 09:25 PM)
erm i just got a USB3.0. whats the average write speed for USB3.0? im only getting around 60MBps.
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USB 3.0 supports 400+MB/s read/write, but HDDs have lousy performance and is the bottleneck. Depending your HDD's model, 60MB/s isn't surprising.
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QUOTE(logit85 @ Mar 29 2012, 04:14 PM)
so 80GB Both HDD is good Resuit or bad ?????
so now Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 2TB Resuit is good or bad
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All your listed HDDs are in good working condition. Not all SMART data are important to the actual health of your HDD. Most of them are informational, like the "Power On Hours Count". "Reallocated Sector Count" and "Current Pending Sector" are something to look out for, but only if the values are increasing over a short period or the value is large. I don't know why your "Spin Retry Count" is highlighted as a warning.

It can be hard to interpret the raw data shown. My Samsung 1TB's "Spin Retry Count" has a Current and Worst value of 252 and a Threshold of 51, unlike your 100 and 97. I haven't looked deeply into the meaning of the SMART attributes.

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post Mar 30 2012, 11:24 AM

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Both of my WD Green 1TBs have passed their third year of life. *touch wood*

QUOTE(logit85 @ Mar 29 2012, 10:25 PM)
current and worst what is that worst
and what threshold
1tb threshold 6 if high number like 50 or 100 will be bad
0 mean very good ah
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Interpreting the data is difficult, especially as it doesn't seem to adhere to a single standard. This is why I don't read too deeply into the SMART data and so I haven't learned it. If you wish to learn, you'll have to look from other sources. Furthermore, a Google white-paper (linked on the first post of the topic) suggests that SMART data does not adequately predict impending HDD failures, making it less useful to learn.
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QUOTE(harryfoo @ Mar 30 2012, 01:02 PM)
My RMA-ed 500gb WD Green just returned back to me. They replace me with a completely new 800gb WD Green HDD.
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WD's 808GB HDDs are not new, it has been a few years already, and are created from scavenged defective platters and targeted at Chinese customers, hence the unusual use of the 8s. That said, I have no idea if they are less reliable or not.
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QUOTE(harryfoo @ Mar 30 2012, 01:50 PM)
I have no choice, they return me this drive. cry.gif
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It's not all bad. The platters might be scavenged, but it could still last you 3 years so you've gained 300GB for free. smile.gif
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QUOTE(krel89 @ Apr 1 2012, 02:43 PM)
quick qestion:
i just drop my 1TB external HD and when i connect it to USB, it say my HD is not format.. any pro know how to solve this?? to much data on that HD.. dont want to lose it T_T
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There are several HDD testing tools listed on the first post of this topic which you could try. If in doubt, use the HDDScan 3.3.
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(krel89 @ Apr 1 2012, 09:46 PM)
i just tested.. and it say
UltraDMA CRC Errors  so, how do i fix this???
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I strongly recommend taking your external HDD to your local shop or trusted expert for testing and advice. They might need to extract the HDD from the casing to test it with another external device or directly plug it in to a computer to see if the HDD is still working or not. Please do not use or power on the external until they have examined it.
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QUOTE(krel89 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:28 PM)
if i do that, would it cost me greatly??
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They will only test if the HDD is good or not. They will not do data recovery. Testing and advice is a free service in my experience, but there are strings.

  • Some external HDDs have their warranties void if you open the casing. You technically lose your right to a free warranty replacement if this is the case.

  • Some external HDDs uses non-standard connectors. I have come across one external HDD that had its built-in standard SATA connectors replaced with USB connectors, this allows a small external case, but you're out of luck if the USB is damaged.

QUOTE(krel89 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:28 PM)
ahhh, rather lose that data then spend some money when i can buy two 2TB at the same price..
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A 2TB HDD now costs about RM400.

But yes, most people tend to give up on the data than to pay for expensive and uncertain data recovery; data recovery is not guaranteed. It's much cheaper to buy two HDDs.
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QUOTE(krel89 @ Apr 2 2012, 11:20 AM)
after heard ur advise.. i want to buy new HD
any advise.. im an extreme person, so i afraid if i slip my HD, it become unusable again.. any advice which is prefer brand??
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If ruggedness is more important than capacity, how about an SSD?

Then again, SSDs are wasted if put in external casings.

If buying external HDDs, 2.5" HDDs have better toughness than 3.5" HDDs, but treating them as fragile items is still strongly recommended. Other than that, I have no specific HDD recommendations.

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