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post Jul 4 2014, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(mrbob @ Jul 3 2014, 10:29 PM)
If you really want it you could try hikari85.

SV35 has a higher spin rate and can support 32 simultaneous video streams compared with AVGP's 12 streams. AVGP really shines at 24/7 ops with constant write especially in ext3/4 filesystems. I'll be moving my 2nd AVGP to my linux desktop soon.
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Well, I'm fine with the AVGP, wasn't really a performance craver anyway, the SV35 is much expensive if I back-to-back order it here, Hkari85 is from Penang, postage could be much worst... sweat.gif so yeah, I'll stick to whatever options I have right now, currently saving up for smaller case for pure NAS setup.
Looking at Linux setup for my future sharing options, Windows Server is faster though in terms of background performance, but I'll get to find out later. wink.gif
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Jul 4 2014, 09:49 AM)
That's why I said if you really wanted to get your hands on it.

For storage and sharing, NAS is the best way to go. As for HDD performance, some are tuned to CIFS and some for NFS or even iSCSI. Have a look at StorageReview's findings as they put the different HDDs through different workloads.

Tom's Hardware shotout for WD Purple and SG SV35 seems to point to SV35 being tune to general write intensive apps and this has stirred my interest in the range.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/survei...ce,3831-10.html

FYI I have lost 4 WD GPs to NTFS filesystems corruption. I'm very sure the SATA cables were not the cause of it. I have since made the happy move to EXT3/4 and ZFS.
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Were you using RAID on those failed WD GPs? I believe the GPs is not cater for hardware RAID though hmm.gif
I'm cheap skate on using those NAS system, pretty expensive IMO, and I need apps that require runs on Windows (most of it) so yeah my requirement is different, will look into Linux alternatives. unsure.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(DreamScars @ Jul 8 2014, 10:39 AM)
thanks for the heads up, however like you i'm staying in kuching so not a lot of choice for hdd's here.
pc image only offers 1 year warranty for wd green and blue, 2 years for red and 3 years for black  sad.gif
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I did RMA for my Samsung and WDC, Seagate being the easiest and fastest, while WDC is also fast but not as easy and fast as Seagate. DIY is cheaper... thumbup.gif

PC Image did only 1-year for the Green? Whose the Salesman? Let me complains... brows.gif
PC Image have always honor the full warranty period by the manufacturer, provided you still have the receipt with you, but the RMA process is tedious when it passed the 1-year, it'll takes more than few months doh.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(DreamScars @ Jul 8 2014, 12:04 PM)
thanks, if that is the case i might give it a shot  smile.gif
yep went to the ict fair last sunday and asked 3 different sales person all same answer so  sweat.gif

is wd black's warranty worth the extra cost over wd blue at 1tb? seems like a lot of horror stories regarding wd green drives  cry.gif
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Green's problem is the head park issue, if you going to use it intensively, then Blue or Black, but my Black also have issue once and RMA it last year, there's always issue with every single HDD out there, problematic rate is another issue... sweat.gif
Otherwise get the AVGP which has extra 1-year warranty but of course need to back-to-back order for most retailer as it's not a common demand.
Black's warranty is good but you pay for the extra warranty, plus its heat issue is another which is too high for 24/7 usage, on a hot day can shoot up to 48C with fan blowing it... doh.gif That's in my room (really hot room) during "summer" in my main PC of which only runs in the night time right now due to the worries of overheating of the overall system. unsure.gif

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post Jul 8 2014, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 8 2014, 01:39 PM)
Avoid Green, i had 2 of them, both got tons of bad sectors before i RMA it.
They're for storage use only cause it has high latency.
The Black and AVGP one didnt escape the fate of RMA either.
I sold off most of them, except the Black 2TB.

Now i only use 2x 3TB Toshiba drives on Raid 0, bought them not long ago, only stores non-critical data sweat.gif

When you noticed your drive take longer than usual when just copy/read.
it's Time to check the SMART data and Even viewer for disk error.
IT's the initial symptom of bad sector starting to develop.

+ Avoid shitgate at all cost.
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Erm, hmm.gif can I know how long you use each drive before they fail on you?
I have 1 Green before, 1TB failed just after warranty finish, now it's one darn expensive paper weight, failure reason is bad sectors growing so I didn't use it any more worries of losing data.
Also how long have you been using the Toshiba?
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post Jul 9 2014, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(DreamScars @ Jul 9 2014, 06:28 PM)
im wondering if sv35 will be suitable for storing games or made as boot drive?  hmm.gif
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For storage purpose, yes, for booting your OS, it can boot, but not recommended.
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post Aug 6 2014, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Aug 5 2014, 05:57 PM)
any recommendation for good 1TB ext hdd ? gonna use it with my MBP
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Seagate 1TB Expansion, cheap and well, it's up to your luck.
My company uses it for daily backup purpose, about 2~3 times a week plugged overnight (they have others as incremental backup).
So far the usage is being moderate I must say, no issue so far. wink.gif
If you're using for critical data, buy 2 copy or maybe 3 as you can afford to make several copies for mirror backup, in case 1 down, you have another copy.

Most importantly is when you do operation (read or write) on the hard disk, make sure it has as least shock or vibration as possible to prevent physical bad sectors, this will permanently destroy any data, hard disk can be laid on any surface as long as it's stable along the operations.

If you're going to use it in rugged environment, best is to save up for external SSD, or couples of USB3 flash drive (big in size?) but due to wear and tear, flash drive chips will wear out in 2~3 years if you use it daily. I believe SSD will have much better durability in this case.
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post Aug 8 2014, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Aug 8 2014, 06:01 AM)
Can someone recommend best bang for buck external 2.5" hdd? Speed, size, price.
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 6 2014, 10:07 AM)
Seagate 1TB Expansion, cheap and well, it's up to your luck.
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RM210 ~ 250
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post Aug 12 2014, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(carpathia @ Aug 12 2014, 12:41 PM)
Anyways, no more WD disk for me . This is especially fishy when WD offers FREE 1 year data recovery services now with their hard disk

http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com.sg/dr-wd-my/
Here is my blog post on this matter. now how do i share this with WD malaysia
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Nah, just some marketing gimmick, I believe there's a statistic posted sometimes ago study the hard disk failure rate over the spent of within a year up to several years, 1-year being the least, 1%? Just some gimmick to lure ppl into buying WD, mine locally only have choice of WD, so I have no choice.

I am now tend to buy the CCTV line (Purple currently) for its 1-year longer warranty and for its slightly better durability? Well, we shall see when I got mine. wink.gif

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post Aug 14 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(carpathia @ Aug 14 2014, 01:44 PM)
Agree that wd is better than seagate but I still don't want wd. Looking at buffalo as alternative. I recalled Hitachi and Samsung is out of the business right?
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Neither is better than the other, it's "luck", some can use over decade, some broke within few days doh.gif
Hitachi is still active but only on 2.5"? Correct me on this.
Samsung's HDD is bought by Seagate.

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 14 2014, 02:14 PM)
Hitachi is very much alive under HGST.
Very tempted to get Toshiba drives since they are HGST drives. They still produce 3.5". But the new WD Red 5TB and 6TB drives are tempting though.
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sweat.gif 6TB is already on the street but local still selling 4TB with much higher price, I'm stick with 3TB, much worth per GB.
Can't wait for the 6TB arrival but doubt the price will drop soon, new tech always high at first few batches. shakehead.gif
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post Aug 14 2014, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(carpathia @ Aug 14 2014, 03:07 PM)
Green power for the 3.5 and the my passport for 2.5
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I had a Green 1TB, died just after warranty so I gave up on that, right now I have a normal Green, a CCTV Green and newly bought just broke the shield Purple (all 3x 3TB).
So far they have not much issue since I don't use them when not needed, plan to move the Purple to replace one of my Samsung 2TB in the 24/7 tiny server.
I do have 1 1TB Blue and 1 1TB Black for my OS and Games, Black had already been through RMA once, so if you going to ask me about durability, I would say... that's all depends on luck. The Black also been through 3 years before it start causing issue (bad sectors) and luckily enough I manage to backup all the data inside. sweat.gif
So far I only did 3 RMA myself, 2 Samsung and 1 WD Black. All were painless, but Seagate service is way better in both speed and its packaging, 4 days compare to a week, also Seagate packaging is bigger (more foam). wink.gif
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Aug 27 2014, 12:10 PM)
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Seagate Ships World’s First 8TB Hard Drives

You heard it right. The 8TB drives are shipping now for Q4 availability! No technical details available yet in Seagate's anouncement however it is rumoured to be one of the first Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR) product being rolled out. If this 8TB giant is based out of 800GB platters (current standard), I can't imagine how much more capacity Seagate would be able to squeeze out of 1.2TB platters when they become more widespread next year.

http://www.networkworld.com/article/259841...hard-drive.html

http://www.seagate.com/about/newsroom/pres...ives-pr-master/
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shocking.gif Wow... 10 platters, talk about helium, now wait for review to do the talking.
hmm.gif Wonder how the price will affect current HDD.
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Sep 9 2014, 10:05 PM)
Hi Guys,

Been a long time never keep up with the techs and now having some questions that
I hope sifus here can help me with:

If i mainly use an internal hdd for torrenting/ watching HD movies and storing files (videos, images, office files, pdf etc),
which hdd is best suited for the job?

I would like to know what would be your suggestions  laugh.gif
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WD Purple or SG CCTV equivalent, they're build for 24/7 and much higher temperature durability.
WD: Western Digital
SG: Seagate
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Sep 10 2014, 10:55 AM)
Hi Wildwestgoh,

Seagate CCTV series, do you mean their SV line?  hmm.gif
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hmm.gif I think that's the one Seagate Video HDD, I only have choice of WD here so I went Purple, last time was AV Green, slightly much expensive and it has 1 more year of warranty so it's much worth it for long term investment. wink.gif
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QUOTE(moniqee @ Sep 25 2014, 04:58 PM)
i noobie... so i dunno how to self-assemble my desktop / laptop sum more i gal...  wub.gif

so wanna ask if it's worth it getting portable ext hdd 1tb adata hv620 for RM179 mah...  icon_question.gif
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I met a clerk (girl lai de) very lihai at assemble those CPU, scary see-ing her tear off the clips.. haha. *ahem* back to main topic...

You will need to ask about the warranty and stuff, whether you gets 3-year or just 1-year, possible some won't entertain warranty or some shop has very bad RMA experience, just sell cheap only.
Other than warranty, yes, it's a darn good deal for 1TB 2.5" external HDD.

QUOTE(powerwoot @ Sep 25 2014, 06:20 PM)
Hard drive reliability update 2014, do we have to avoid Seagate for now?

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-r...september-2014/
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Source of the statistic... hmm.gif not mentioned?
I've met few failed WDC and also Hitachi, which none on Seagate yet on my long experience so I think I won't rely on such one sided information though.
There's actually a batch of WDC 320GB which failed on few desktop at my clients, that's probably some really bad batch, but since they're out of warranty, I can only replace them with new one.
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QUOTE(moniqee @ Sep 25 2014, 08:34 PM)
oh warranty is the standard 3 years...  sweat.gif  gone is the 5 years or lifetime...  hmm.gif
now groupon is giving away RM25 coupon off so any goods you all wan can get... i saw western digital but still around Rm229 for 1tb...
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You're buying from advertisement at Groupon?
It's understandable that Groupon sometimes much cheaper but I wonder about the service.
If the retailer is reputable one and they have good history of providing good RMA service then I can say, go ahead with the purchase.
I myself still buying from local retailer due to ease for RMA service, but recently has bad experience with PC Image so I'm avoiding that for the moment.

QUOTE(rurushu @ Sep 25 2014, 09:35 PM)
fuhh.... i hope i can find a girlfriend like this  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
Anyway, back to topic, hmm... so far for me never had a faild hdd before, ext or int *touch wood touch wood touch wood*
so i cant say anything about harddisk reliability (had both Seagate and WD for int hdd, and Buffalo, Toshiba, and WD for ext hdd)
maybe is due to my low level usage, but mine has been since 2007....  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

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Anyway, those HDD is about luck, for my case, my Seagate 320GB that I bought back at 2007 only last me 1 or 2 years (can't remember the exact date) then sent for warranty once, but using it until now and saved many PCs from losing tons of data. Planning for a bigger one for saving even more but that will wait until I have enough dough.. haha... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(moniqee @ Sep 26 2014, 08:46 AM)
yeah from Groupon advertisement... normally the warranty goes back to the supplier... which in this case is Adata itself... if you get the WD from Groupon (u need to check whether the warranty is from WD itself or other PC shops) they do state in the advertisement it was being warranty by whom?
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For Seagate and WDC, the warranty service is local and I can just deal with them easily; just sent to their service centre and wait for RMA to return with new one, and they're fast as well; within 1 week. thumbup.gif

As for Adata, I'm not sure about this, can't even find their website on SEA (South East Asia) here, so I assume you'll need to send oversea (Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, etc.) for RMA which is a pain and expensive, which is why it's sometimes not recommended to get those brand unless you can refer back to the supplier/retailer for RMA.
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Sep 30 2014, 10:20 PM)
care to elaborate on this? what ext hdd of WD are using this design?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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I've a client that uses this WDC passport, I think their controller is very complicated and not friendly for any OS, means if you're using XP or 2003, you need to install SCSI driver for the Ext Hard disk (yes, SCSI!!) If you're using Linux, I assume that as well, which defeat the purpose of having portable hard disk that can plug in any where, so far only 2003 needs to install the driver to works, XP... hmm.gif probably Windows update settle it automatically.
As for the controller, it could have been integrated with the hard disk which means either one dead, you can't retrieve data yourself, you'll need to send to specialist to extract data the "special" way, not very friendly in another way, Seagate Expansion is just another normal hard disk inside, tear open the case, and you got yourself a 2.5" hard disk that you can use on any machine wink.gif and vice versa... brows.gif
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Oct 1 2014, 10:58 PM)
WD Passport warranty is 3 years i think, the rest i don't know, well for me, i dont really care how complicated the external hdd is,
Just back it up regularly if the data is important, and it will save you from spending thousand Ringgit on data recovery service when it died.
buying 2 or 3 external HDD for backup is certainly cheaper than data recovery service.

Windows backup utility isnt very hard to use.
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Skipped that and go for Cobian backup for my case, I think it's much flexible in terms of backup ability, in of its own preferences. (Btw, Cobian is FREE nod.gif )
And yes, critical data works always rely on multiple backup copies, and cycle them daily for offline backup in case of... erm... well.. anything. This is what Insurance can't cover sweat.gif

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