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 The SSD Thread V2, Faster Better Greener Unbreakable!

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post Apr 7 2012, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 6 2012, 11:26 PM)
btw how much is the intel 330 240gb version cost?
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I've seen only pricing for smaller capacities. I don't know if a 240GB edition exists.

QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Apr 6 2012, 11:30 PM)
Probably a tweaked 320 controller with SATA3 enabled.
We can find out when it arrives i guess
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I think it's using asynchronous NAND, slower but should use less power. But it is still plenty fast.
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post Apr 7 2012, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Apr 7 2012, 03:24 AM)
Just curious, what do you guys normally install on a SSD drive upto 240GB? I find it very difficult to even fill up 100GB, lol. I also can't afford a 240GB so I never bother about it's pricing smile.gif
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But you already have one. tongue.gif

Mine is work related. Projects, data, a VirtualBox Ubuntu server (I'm a novice), and XP Mode for WinXP and IE6, all encrypted on a laptop.

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post Apr 8 2012, 03:59 PM

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If you have plenty of space left to fill in your SSD, you could put in other stuff like your downloads, songs and other miscellaneous things. Use up those p/e cycles. It is unlikely that you'll exhaust your p/e cycles in five years and by then there will be more affordable and even larger capacity SSDs.

On my desktop's SSD (the one without all the work stuff) I put my torrents and random downloads on it. And then move them to my HDDs whenever they're completed or I need more space on the SSD.
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post Apr 18 2012, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Apr 18 2012, 04:59 PM)
yea, i think so.
and later also can upgrade to sata3 platform,
so didn't actually waste the sata3 ssd. hmm.gif
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If we measure in terms of performance per ringgit, you probably cannot justify the upgrade to a SATA 6.0 Gbps motherboard.
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post Apr 21 2012, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(riku2replica @ Apr 21 2012, 07:16 AM)
Ocz Vertex 4 runs on Indilinx controller.
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Marvell controller, Indilinx firmware.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5741/ocz-con...l-based-silicon

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post Apr 23 2012, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(azzrul @ Apr 22 2012, 09:11 PM)
WHy slower than my X25-M G2?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif 
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Probably because yours has twice the number of chips, and thus twice the channels or bandwidth. Although it doesn't translate to twice the performance for a variety of reasons, it is enough to perform a little better.

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post Apr 24 2012, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(kona|kona @ Apr 23 2012, 11:45 PM)
coz when put on 2nd hdd , it  usually stuck and produce screcching sound ( when i open a document)  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kyrmian @ Apr 24 2012, 12:10 AM)
That just happened to me.  cry.gif
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Could it be that the sound were your HDDs waking up from sleep? Because there is a power saving option, if enabled, that will turn off your HDDs if you do not use them in a long while.
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post Apr 24 2012, 09:39 AM

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Strange, the High Performance profile's HDD option is set to turn off after 20 minutes of idle, at least in my default settings.

To manually configure the option on Windows 7, hit the winkey, type "Power Options", open the "Power Options", click "Change plan settings" on your current profile, click "Change advanced power settings", "Hard disk", "Turn off hard disk after", change the current number to 0 (zero). This means Windows 7 will never turn off your hard disks.

I don't know how the Green or Eco drives will behave. They might choose to ignore the Windows power settings. I don't know.

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post Apr 24 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(arslow @ Apr 24 2012, 09:56 AM)
How I wish 330 180gb was 499 tongue.gif
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You could try looking for OEM editions. You'd sacrifice your warranty period, but they might possibly get that low a price.

I wish that a 330 240GB existed.
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post Apr 25 2012, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(kona|kona @ Apr 25 2012, 01:42 AM)
keep it running not dangerous ?
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It's safe.

Although, if your HDDs were turned off by your OS due to idleness and you accidentally hit/shake your rig, you don't have to worry about your HDDs getting damaged. But that is something not to depend on. laugh.gif

I leave that option on because I have HDDs that I rarely access. Waiting for your HDDs to wake up can be annoying, but I feel less annoyed because I know why they are taking a while to respond.


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QUOTE(kyrmian @ Apr 24 2012, 05:30 PM)
I don't even know, that's why I'm asking. sad.gif
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Did you cloned your OS or fresh installed it? Cloning from a HDD can cause problems.

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post May 2 2012, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(bad melatonin @ Apr 28 2012, 05:37 PM)
guys, which 1 is better, align 1024 or 4096?
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Align 1024 is good enough.

QUOTE(-JC- @ May 1 2012, 10:47 PM)
1) If i were to get a ssd for my laptop, can i just buy if off Amazon and take it to lowyat for installation?

2) when i look at the listing in Amazon, what's the difference between seller with "Drive only" and "Reseller Kit" ?

3) What should i focus at when getting ssd? compatibility? is intel 520 80gb/160gb a good choice?
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  1. You may do that. But buying local may be more convenient and timely. And sometimes even cheaper. What SSD are you looking at and its price on Amazon?
  2. Drive-only probably means just the drive. You might get some screws, but not a 3.5" bay adaptor, cloning tool or other stuff. I don't know about the Reseller Kit.
  3. Reliable: Intel, Samsung, Crucial's M4 are reliable. SandForce-based SSDs have an old reputation for poor reliability, but their current reputation is uncertain.

    Capacity: Having a storage capacity of about 120GB should be good for your OS, applications and games. If you intend to put it in your laptop, a larger SSD might be better; especially if you are also using it for work.

    Cost: If you have several SSD choices that meets the first two criteria, you should consider the cheaper option. There is not much value in buying the fastest SSD or longer lived SSD. All SSDs are very fast. All SSDs are likely to last at least three years (assuming no manufacturing defect) and likely for many more years, and buying a replacement SSD then will be rather cheap.

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QUOTE(-JC- @ May 2 2012, 10:01 PM)
I'm looking at intel 520 series 60/120gb..but i can see lots of people here using crucial m4?

So i dont have to worry about compatibility issue yeah? any ssd will fit into current laptop?
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If you can use the extra capacity, how about Intel's older 320 SSD 160GB SATA 3.0Gbps? It's currently RM620 at Cycom, only a little more expensive than the 520's 120GB and it does give you an extra ~40 GB to play with.

As for compatibility issues, you probably won't have a problem. SSDs are designed to be drop-in replacements for HDDs.

Am I imagining things or are Intel SSD prices seems to be dropping quite rapidly lately?
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QUOTE(lingloong @ May 4 2012, 10:34 AM)
Waiting game is always fun especially technology thingy  laugh.gif
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At least there is a possible stopping point, in about two or three more generations/years. They might have difficulties in breaching the sub-10nm range. If they get stuck there, prices may stagnant at around $0.16/GB (12nm) or $0.08/GB (8nm). Which is like RM480 or RM240 for a 1TB SSD.

There may also be a similar point of stagnancy in CPU, GPU and APU technologies, unless alternative technologies can take over to continue the drive of performance. You probably can't develop durable wires and transistors that are smaller than single atoms, which is a problem that you start hitting at at sub-10nm.
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Windows will not change or disturb the alignment if you do not repartition the first partition. This is why you can align it (at least create the aligned first partition) in another computer and then install Windows on it. You only need to align the first partition of a HDD/SSD. All subsequent partitions will follow the first partition.
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QUOTE(sara__ @ May 13 2012, 08:02 AM)
My laptop just freeze just now . Is this related to SSD?
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Simply freezing doesn't mean much at all. There are many possible causes of freezing, some hardware and some software. You'll need to determine the cause of the freezing.

QUOTE(mohdazuan @ May 13 2012, 03:59 PM)
right now the only software i use that can match the on-paper value is ATTO.
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That is because ATTO benchmarks with easily compressible data, which is an advantage for SandForce-based SSDs, because they compress the data before writing to the NANDs.

ATTO is useful in determining if your SSD meets the manufacturer specs. But for normal performance, you want to use a benchmark that uses incompressible data, because most data are incompressible - applications, games, songs, videos are typically incompressible.

QUOTE(SkyHermit @ May 13 2012, 04:15 PM)
I am planning to buy a SSD but with my rig like that. is it ok? I mean the Power Supply and my mobo.

Intel P8Z77-M
Kingston Value 1333 ram 4GB x2
Silverstone Strider 500W PSU
And I heard that the size of pagefile takes up a lot of space (2.5 times your RAM). So if I have 8gb ram then it takes up 20gb on there? And Windows 7 takes like around 12gb. So if I buy 40gb is it enough to install optional apps like Word, RealPlayer, internet browser all that?
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You can limit the size of your pagefile to whatever you want through "Custom size" in your "Virtual Memory" options. You can even disable the use of pagefiles if you like. This is safe for most users with 8GB or more of RAM as it is still rather rare to encounter a situation where you need more than 8GB of RAM. If you prefer to be on the safer side, you can simply set your page file to 1GB and Windows will force expand it when it needs to do so.

Another way to save SSD space is to disable hibernation. The hibernation file is as big as your RAM capacity. 8GB of RAM = 8GB of hibernation file.
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QUOTE(prasys @ May 13 2012, 04:47 PM)
If you move your browsing cache , other junk to another HDD , it should be alright. Thats what I do , but remember this by doing this ,you are just making your windows and core application faster , but since for browsing it does not matter if its in SSD or HDD , it shouldn't have any impact on performance
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Personally I wouldn't bother unless I was forced to do so. Most of our junk would take at most only a few gigabytes.

QUOTE(darude87 @ May 13 2012, 06:26 PM)
hi guys, how accurate is the benchmark score from CrystalDiskMark?
because i'm only getting about 159mb/s for my write on Intel 330 120GB
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The 330 is a SandForce-based SSD. For any SandForce-based SSD, please test with ATTO. It should be close to the manufacturer specified performance. If it was not, please check if you are using SATA 3.0 Gbps or SATA 6.0 Gbps.
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QUOTE(gn9746203 @ May 20 2012, 03:08 PM)
The price looks quite expensive comparing to a new motherboard. However, I have no enough money to do another purchase unless i sell my mobo LOL!
Guess i have no choice that i will either need to use it on low speed or buy a new mobo.
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This kind of performance optimisation should really be done only if you have spare cash to burn or if you have an exceptional reason to do so. Compared to the feeling of owning your first SSD, this kind of upgrade will disappoint because you won't feel your computer getting twice as fast. It is really not worth staying on the brink of bankruptcy for.
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QUOTE(dwks @ May 22 2012, 12:00 AM)
No, I not blaming the SSD. Just want to find out what the cause, normally, before i had SSD, I left my PC at night for downloading and still well the next day.
But, after upgrading to M4, I continue my routine and the next day, sometime, very rarely, my PC would restart or BSOD.
So far, I havent been able to see the BSOD cause everytime it crashed, it auto restard back to Window Login on the next day.
Finally today, it crash the first time when Im using the PC, but, Im scared what will happen, so, I just restart my PC before it got to BSOD.
Having using PC for so long, I havent encounter much BSOD, so I got scared  sweat.gif

I have flash the lasted firmware, 000F.
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How did you installed your Windows? A clean install or cloned from an existing Windows installation on a HDD?
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 23 2012, 05:33 AM)
is there still a need to disable windows file indexing in today's ssd?
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That is a performance optimisation tip. You are never required to do optimisation tips, you choose to do them or not.
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QUOTE(pot @ May 23 2012, 10:52 PM)
May i know if i use SSD as System Drive and BT 24hours on other harddisk will it shorten the SSD life span?? Thank you.
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For a 64GB SSD, as a system drive and 5 Mbps BT 24 hours for 365 days a year for 5 years, you just might reduce its lifespan to only 10 years. Is that good enough for you?

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