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Packet One Networks (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd.

3 January 2012

P1 TO BE READY FOR IPv6 IN 2012

PETALING JAYA - South East Asia’s leading 4G service provider Packet One Networks (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd (“P1”) expects to be fully IPv6 ready by end of 2012 in bracing for the depletion of IPv4 Internet addresses. The company has already completed phase two of three phases of the compliance exercise.
Michael Lai, Chief Executive Officer of P1 said, “We are quickly approaching a major milestone in the life of the Internet. Malaysia is preparing for the use of IPv6 addresses in order to keep pace with the change. As a forward-looking organization, P1’s preparations on the compliance exercise began months back. Our backend systems are already fully IPv6 compliant. The third phase is on the last mile delivery and end user devices compliance.
Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is designed to succeed Internet Protocol version 4 (IPv4). Since 1981, IPv4 has been the publicly used version of the Internet Protocol and it is currently the foundation for most Internet communications. There are 4.3 billion numeric IPv4 addresses. IPv6 addresses expand to a multiple leap of more than 340 trillion to support our world's 7 billion population today.
IPv6 is needed to support the fast pace of Internet use growth and the explosion in the use of wireless products, quality services, inbuilt security features, enhanced mobility and the need for more IP addresses to facilitate its wider use.
The Number Resource Organization, a group representing the world's five regional Internet registries that dole out the numeric addresses has stated that the last five of eight blocks of IPv4 addresses were handed out to the registries earlier this year.
“The growth of the Internet has mandated a need for more addresses than are possible with IPv4,” said Lai. “It’s a case of basic binary math. There is not enough numbers with IPv4.”
IPv4 addresses are divided into four 8-bit chunks to make up an Internet address which is a 32-bit number. IPv6 addresses, in comparison, use four 32-bit chunks for a 128-bit number.
Lai continued, “In the very near future, the Internet will not just be used for communication from man to man. It will be man to machine and machine to machine. Just imagine 50 billion machines and 100 billion objects in the world will all require individual IP addresses.”
Lai further explained the impact of the transition on businesses and consumers. “If your business has an IPv4 connection to the Internet you won’t be able to access IPv6 websites and vice versa, unless there is a gateway device set up to handle this. Companies with websites or other Internet services must get new IPv6-based addresses for their servers and network connections to the outside world so they can handle IPv6 traffic. Consumers will eventually have to upgrade their digital subscriber lines (DSL) and cable modems because although the IPv4 network will still work, they'll miss out on Internet services available only over IPv6.”


About Packet One Networks (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd.

Packet One Networks (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd ("P1"), a subsidiary of Green Packet Berhad with South Korea leading Operator, SK Telecom as second largest shareholder, is Malaysia's first and leading 4G telecommunications company. P1 4G represents the first large-scale commercial 4G WiMAX deployment in Southeast Asia, and the first large-scale deployment of an 802.16e 2.3GHz WiMAX network outside Korea. Although LTE is still in its infancy in Malaysia, P1 is already gearing up for 4G LTE transition and deployment through strong strategic partnerships with the world’s largest LTE proponents namely Qualcomm International, China Mobile Limited and being accepted into the elite Global TD-LTE Initiative (“GTI”) that encompasses more than half the world’s market potential. P1's goal is to bridge the digital divide by making access to the internet universal, ubiquitous and affordable for every Malaysian. P1 hopes to play a major part in realizing the nation's goal providing Broadband for All.
P1 is the winner of the Red Herring Asia's Most Innovative Private Technology Company in 2008 and is listed in the Malaysia Book of Records as Malaysia's first WiMAX telco (August 2008). In 2009, P1 bagged the MSC Malaysia APICTA Best of Start-Up Companies award. P1 is awarded the 2010 Most Promising Service Provider of the Year by the prestigious 2010 Frost & Sullivan Malaysia Telecoms Awards. P1's "Sudah Potong?" advertising campaign bagged gold at the highly coveted 2010 Malaysia Effie Awards. In 2011, P1 bags the Best Enterprise Brand of the year 2010 from Global Golden Brand Award. At the same time, P1 is awarded by Global Leadership Awards in Internet Category.

That's fantastic. So I can expect more IPv6 users to visit lowyat.net, which is IPv6-enabled btw

i don't see any advantages.. ipv6 is just to allow more users into the internet (more IP allocation)... just like when TM or any mobile operator change the phone number by adding extra digits.. it doesn't improve the performance, cost or whatsoever!

You just mentioned the advantage...

still no advantage to end users...
There's no need to call media to claim this or that company is ipv6 ready and tell every rakyat about it.. rakyat don't get anything..

any different for ipV6? speed more stable? or speed increasing?

any different??so rm99 package increase the quota to 60GB??
or rm139 package increase till 120GB??

Using IPv6 is only to the provider advantage but not the end users like us.

Err... sorry I want to ask the noob question here...
Does using IPV6 will increase our speed to the internet? Or perhaps, improve our connection to the overseas connection?

Theoritically NO. But ISPs might isolate different pool of bandwidth between concentrators(access routers) that separates IPv4/IPv6 IP assignments. At current, there are not many IPv6 users yet because ISPs have not promote it well enough yet.This is if the ISP architecture permits and IPv4 and IPv6 have separate bandwidth access pool.

So if using IPv6, you're likely to be accessing a non congested route/server if you're getting better speeds.

Next comes the bad news.

If you're on IPv6, you're most likely be getting a permanent IP because there're plenty for the ISP to assign everyone with a unique identifier.
This might concern some with privacy because it's easier to track each individual rather than to hide many private IPs behind a single gateway IP.

It depends on how you plan to use it.

As for wKkaY, I know why he prefers all of you to use IPv6. It's easier for him to do his weeding job.

Who wanna bet that P1 will only give you a /128?
If only they will give out a /56 at least...

What is that to offer if they gave out /128?

Their total number of subscribers already exceeded what is available?

Most likely they'll follow APNIC assignment policy recommendation.

http://www.apnic.net/policy/ipv6-address-policy

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Jan 15 2012, 01:09 AM

you ipv4 kids probably will love sitting behind a private ipv4 address behind a large cgn tm box sharing one tiny public ipv4 blocks with thousands of other users.

and the moment you want a public address, tm won't either to sell to you or have to pay premium for it.

good luck.

i'm already on ipv6.

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Added on January 15, 2012, 1:16 am
dey thambi,

that's assignment to ISPs not end customers.

end customers up to ISPs la to decide. either /48 or /56 or /64.

but be prepared to laugh at ISPs who will give smaller than /64s for routed segment.


This post has been edited by ihsan: Jan 15 2012, 01:16 AM

Datuk, you never consider future needs is it?

Where's the talk about TM planning to join the mobile celco foray?
No plans for femtocell? So confident and proud of yer laughable network?
LCLY la tu.

what the hell are you talking about?

You don't want to launch another TM Touch in future using the HSBB?
TM no plans to reenter celco market?

You sure your MVNOs not going to bang on your table protesting in future?

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Jan 15 2012, 01:31 AM

you sure you are not confusing me with someone else?

wah lieu, looks like i'm not the only one you have been picking fights lately.

Whose picking quarell? You give a good impression of TM

You might not perceive the advantage while you still have a public IPv4 address, but this is getting scarce. Look at the problems faced by Maxis FTTH users as a preview

As for rakyat not getting anything, what do you mean by that? They're getting IPv6 access!

1. That's a loooong line of logic with a lot of assumptions made. Applying Occam's Razor, the simpler way to think of it is that IPv6 and IPv4 are going to ride over the same layer-2/layer-1- it is this channel that determines congestion. Having said that, there *will* be a difference in routes between IPv4 and IPv6, since there's no practical way that all IPv4 BGP arrangements are going to be matched 1-1 isomorphically in IPv6. But it's not right to categorically assume that one will be less congested than the other.

2. At the ISP I subscribed to, they gave out dynamically assigned leases, citing operational reasons. I'll paraphrase what I can remember. Consider this - if you have multiple B-RASes serving the same subscriber footprint, as an upstream router how do you determine which B-RAS to forward a packet to? To do that, you'll need a route to each customer's static prefix - and for a provider the size of TM that's literally millions of routes, so I don't think they'll do this.

Alternatively, if each B-RAS were assigned its own /48 and gives out (dynamic) /64s in its own range, an upstream core router will only need to know one route per B-RAS.

3.

No, seriously, I promote IPv6 religionadoption mainly because it's *the* solution to IPv4 address exhaustion and all the consequences that brings.

It will be lame if they only give a /128

But we'll see.

but i hear ipv6 hv some security enhance also?

but also easier to trace!

is this correct??

yeah..so you want to continue watch porn, better use ipv4 behind triple NAT. sure police will not find you.

i see... i take it that is your plan then.

Or you could like... change your v6 IP between every web page request

of course not because everyone who keeps asking those kind of stupid questions eventually gets what's coming to them.

so i take it as your plan then?

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Added on January 17, 2012, 2:07 pm
actually i've been waiting for that kind of invention, i mean you can have 2 to the power of 64 in a /64 segment, surely someone can come up with a quick RA mechanism that can alternate this. haha

This post has been edited by ihsan: Jan 17 2012, 02:07 PM

1) We don't need even to consider much and make lots of assumptions. Every TM Streamyx/Unifi users have already come to much conclusion that even with IPv4, they are getting variable results with different ranges.Even myself I've got a range that day which was so crappy, it was not even getting me anywhere: 174.145.174.x. From local/Singaporean server latency to speed, everything was like crawling.

Why IPv6 should give a bit of hope? There are still less users today and chances that you're going to get the "premium-like" ip which most Streamyx users are on the look out for.

2) My stance is still that privacy is every individual's basic rights. With all the scrutinization of social networking sites and blogs going on in this country, the trend is not going to make any fears by the public subside. Of course authorities are not going to make it obvious with their surveilance, who doesn't work along "the wolf in sheep skin concept"? Today it's all about deception and hideous motives.

In attempt of this today people study hard and gain as much knowledge as they can so that they can prevent loopholes as a line of defense and at the same time try to find ways of circumventing an unknown problem(exploit).

Basic human nature in their attempts to equal God.

duuuuuddddeeeee,

you know how i know you are bullshitting?

when you start putting God into your argument.

try putting someone else in place, God doesn't care about IP addresses and privacy. He has one big ass calculator and have an all seeing eye.

What excuses did the cronies gave when asked to reveal their their family assets openly to public?

Why curi-curi keeping things so secretive?

If you can give us the answer than you might have also answered why people are reluctant to use IPv6?

Ok both of you are going offtopic, knock it off please...

This would be my last reply here but let me prove myself that my last reply was in all way still relative to the discussed topic.

The answer given by those "cronies" was "it was DANGEROUS"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2195835

Same answer is also for those who fear using IPv6. It allows authorities to track as deep right up to very single device you're using on a private network relating them with MAC IDs?

Well last I checked, IPv6 doesn't make you declare your assets in the packet header. Please explain convincingly your analogy between them?

As for IP addresses letting you be tracked to your individual device through the MAC address, consider this. I've made a few forum posts here recently with IPv6 and out-of-the-box Windows 7. Vista's behavior is the same AFAIK, not sure about XP.

These are my IPs:

2405:4600:3004:0:5e8:764e:6c64:88ba
2405:4600:3004:0:78bc:d939:b11e:50fb
2405:4600:3004:0:e962:c9a9:8620:d8a
2405:4600:3004:0:f52e:9644:9144:45a7
2405:4600:3004:3:b091:165b:3c98:db0c

Questions:

1) Can you derive my MAC address?
2) Why does my IP keep changing throughout the week?

I see why you're thinking that way. You think that $ISP will set aside dedicated copper/wavelengths for IPv6 traffic. I think they'll dual-stack existing links, so congestion that affects an IPv4 user will also affect an IPv6 user traversing the same path.

Temporary IPv6 Address Cloaking per RFC 3041?

My stance is still that IPv6 should only be used by people who KNOWS what they're doing with their setup.

The DCOMS engineers who are network administrators/ISP are the ones who knows the way around these things.

All these will put the end user at great risk of exposure if they are NOT properly INFORMED and EDUCATED about EUI-64 implementation of IPv6.

Here's why and how they plan to merge your device's MAC into IPv6 with EUI-64. This will be used to assign unique static IP in future instead of manually mapping them with MAC IDs.



Noticed that your sets of Manufacturer ID and Device IDs from your MAC are cleverly integrated into your IPv6 by reserving the last 8 bytes? If you do not cloak your IPv6 address carefully, what device you're using can be discovered by authorities at your location.Even worst your mobile device such as smartphones will even record all your movement into a secret log like what Apple did last time?

Concerns About IPv6 and Its Background

Source: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3041

Is this clear enough?
Most of the regular users don't even know what is DHCP and hex-binary conversions, they are in for big trouble if they choose to use IPv6 blindly.

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Added on January 21, 2012, 5:26 pmIt's not I "think", it's by observation and experience.

Why is Streamyx assigning some unusable range of IPs around which differs greatly to some regular ones?
So much that they give awfully bad results to certain server locations and are not standardized?

Hey not fair^^
How come I can't post twice like you above but instead my posts got merged?

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Jan 21 2012, 05:29 PM

As I said, I'm using Windows 7 out of the box and it's assigning itself random addresses just fine. I don't need to be educated or informed, because it's already doing it for me without any special configuration. All I did was plug myself into a dual-stacked LAN. I know for a fact that Vista also behaves this way. Don't know about OSX or XP. Linux doesn't do this out of the box, but it can be enabled with a sysctl - if you're a Linux user hopefully you're more clueful


With your observation and experience, what's your opinion to the questions you just asked?

Check "don't merge with previous post" when you add a reply

on my singa macbook, it will auto on random addresses.

fbsd 8.2 however, need to enable the sysctl command, don't know about 9.0.

By default, Windows 7/Vista use stateless autoconfig with extra temporary IPv6 address that will change periodically. With this, other people cannot derive your MAC address from their analytics data. No need to educate mere mortals that use Windows because they are protected by default. For Linux users, let just assume that they should know what they are doing if they use that OS.

What everyone should be afraid of is RIR policy that make ISPs that assign prefixes larger than /64 to their customers to also SWIP that customer information (usually billing address at the minimum) into the ISP's net-block WHOIS data.

As I prefer to use vanity IPv6 address with fancy reverse DNS entries (maybe wkkay can made it to be shown next to the pale blue IPv6 text?), this mean I have to disable the privacy extension (via netsh), disable router solicitation, set up other stateful config in my wireless adapter to 1, then set up a static IPv6 address and add a route to the wireless adapter. See how much work I have to do just to let other people data mining me? My postal address has already been published anyway for the /48 I used here...

Microsoft truly make using IPv6 by other means that isn't SLAAC to be difficult to the end user.

As for other people on the network that has default Windows installation, all I have to do is to advertise a prefix with radvd and everything will work just fine with them. They probably doesn't even know their connection is IPv6-enabled.

APNIC does not allow that. portable allocation block will always be registered under the ISP's, not the end assigned customers.


you must have gotten portable assignment address hence why the /48 whois information will contain your contact information.


i thought starting from vista, it has decent DHCPv6 support?

at this point of time, all OSes must at least have decent support for SLAAC and DHCPv6.


indeed. my ipad and iphone are already ipv6-enabled and can browse ipv6 content well.

1. Nah, I prefer not to open a new can of worms. Aside privacy (as there are others who might not want it), slow reverse DNS stalling the webserver is another problem.

2. You can do that from the adapter IPv6 properties can't you? This one:

You have no idea how it works. You can assign a static IPv6 there (complete with gateways, DNS and stuff) but Windows will simply ignore it if it sees RA being sent on the network. Windows will grab an IPv6 from the router (two if privacy extension is enabled) and will use it by default. Router solicitation need to be disabled on the network interface, that's for sure.

Need to screw around with netsh just to get static IPv6 to be used, or if you want to use stateful autoconfig.

This is where Linux really shines, if I tell it to use a static IPv6 address, it will use it. Not with Windows.

I must admit I haven't tried it before I'll bring the laptop to work and give it a go.

If you turn on the M and O flags in RA, you can indeed use static IPv6 /128 address. But if the RA also advertise a prefix, Windows will also grab another /128 from the prefix. And if privacy extension isn't disabled (they are on by default), another randomized address will be leased from the router and Windows will use that one as the default IPv6 address seen by the world. The other two can only be used by programs that can manually bind to IPv6 addresses like Azureus and KVIRC.

So at the minimum, the privacy extension should be disabled if SLAAC isn't used.

I don't want to instill fears but how much can you trust on this privacy extentions alone to protect your privacy?

There's been talks circulating around that IPv4 addresses were NOT actually used up but they were occupied by cronies just to give out the fake sense of scarcity.

SOPA may be knocking on your door one day with the help on the creator of Windows giving out backdoors to reverse the cloaking of the IPv6 temporary addresses.

Who knows?

Chances are:

1) As Asellus pointed out, they may link your addresses to your ISP accounts.

2) SOPA can always get the help from software companies who sells OSes to reveal their privacy extention algos to uncloak you? Mi$ will always stand by authorities side because it takes care of their industry.

3) There's a posiibility of trojans/malicious programs that unkowingly help you disable privacy extentions in future?

DEFCON19 Ipocalypse Discussions and Myht behind IPv4 Running Out Of Addresses?

Oh my god You really are clutching at straws now if you're basing your argument on a satirical (if not paranoid) presentation.

Call me paranoid and the rest of the community who are against supporting IPv6 if you do.

How can you entrust your web usage privacy and put your hope on them to cover your tracks if they are the very same people behind the SOPA initiative?

It's like asking your enemy to protect you?

They'll always try to convince you that IPv6 is ALL safe without flaws. Just like which businessman will not create the ideal situation that favours his own advantage?

The DEFCON is an annual gathering held annually by well known industry experts from top universities and organizations.If they are showing concerns, users should even be more careful.

1. This has always happened (even with dynamic IPv4), only that with IPv6, the info is public. If the RIRs doesn't have the SWIP requirement for allocations bigger than /64 (for ARIN this applies whether it was allocation portable or direct allocation), the FBI or whatever can still get the info with a warrant/subpoena.

2. The privacy extension is well-known in a RFC. And there are no proof that the Microsoft's implementation of RFC3041 is flawed in any sense of that it is not random enough. If there is any problem, those people at DefCon community (or others) would have find out about it already. Oh BTW, Microsoft did wrote that RFC too, so it can be assumed that their implementation is decent. Anyway, the ISP knows that which /64 or /48 belong to whom, so whether you use a randomized IPv6 ala RFC3014 or a MAC-derived IPv6 address from the allocated prefix, nothing different really happens. A warrant/subpena will reveal that you own the prefix, regardless whether you use a fixed address or not.

3. Then that would be a stupid trojan. Privacy extension is only used in stateless autoconfig, not in stateful autoconfig or static addressing. What use that trojan do in a network that employs the latter two's configuration?

Who are this "us" versus "them" that you're talking about?

A lot of good stuff are presented at DEFCON. But this particular talk you found is.. well.. did you actually watch past the first 5 minutes? If you did, do you agree with their mystical analysis? For that reason I'm pretty sure it's a satirical piece.

You don't need to try very hard to see how quickly IPv4 space gets exhausted. It's only 4 billion. How many IP devices were shipped last year alone? Smartphones, tablets, gadgets, PCs, laptops, servers, network kit, etc. Easily a billion. You need to think big, think Internet-scale, to see the problem that we're having.

iipohbee,

kindly please have a look at the word satire on your favourite dictionary.

thank you very much.

What's big deal ? TM already ready for ipv6 :-)

oh my nasi goreng no, no, no!

ipv6 conspiracy and tm? my dear friend will have a field day.

I watched the entire Defcon video and fully agree with iipohbee.

How could iipohbee be the only one intelligent enough to see this??

iipohbee, I propose we fight against ipv6. The best way to protest against this outright intrusion of privacy is to boycott the internet completely, for a period of lets say... 10 years - that should be long enough to send them the message. We shall start tomorrow. Just unplug your modem and bury it in your backyard, and delete all APNs from your phone. I will do the same to show my support in this cause. No need to reply, just do it tomorrow at 12pm. THEY CANNOT TRACK US IF WE ARE OFFLINE.

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