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 Fundsupermart - Invest Globally and Profitably, Discussion on investment through FSM

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gark
post Jan 6 2012, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(Dino168 @ Jan 6 2012, 05:01 PM)
Anyone trade in Fundsupermart, Malaysia?   How safe it is to trade in it?    It is linked with OSK but cannot find anything on what will happen if it get busted?    Any guarantee like PIDM?
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All the funds listed on FSM is approved by BNM. The holding of each funds in entrusted to their individual fund's trustee. In case of FSM being bankrupt or otherwise cease to do business, your holding in each fund will still remain with the fund houses. PIDM does not cover Unit Trust, only deposits.

Basically FSM is like your ordinary fund salesman/advisor, even if the salesman quit or die, your holdings will not be affected. wink.gif

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post Jan 11 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Dino168 @ Jan 11 2012, 01:00 PM)
Any one tried buying funds from Fundsupermart Hong Kong?    Funds are either in USD, Euro or HKD.  The funds profolio is very interesting ... e.g. 

Comments anyone.
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PM Cwcheah.. he has account in FSMHK
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post Jan 11 2012, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(Dino168 @ Jan 11 2012, 08:24 PM)
Compared Ambond sales charges and annual expense ration between Fundsupermart and banks ... they are different.  Sales charges is lower but annual expense ration is higher in Fundsupermart.      Is this common .. i.e. purposely reduce fee for entry but have to pay more after than ..... hmm.gif
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The annual management fees charges by fund houses is not determined by the distributor (FSM & Bank) but by the fund company (AmBank), so from whichever distributor you get it from, it is the same.

Probably the difference of the charges you see is the 'real' charges and the 'expected' charges.

Example, from prospectus the fund Annual Management Charge is written as 1%, but there are other 'fees' such as audit, printing, trustees etc which will raise the annual expense ratio to 1.05%. The actual annual expense ratio (1.05%) is what the fund holders pays no matter if you buy from FSM or the bank. laugh.gif
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post Jan 12 2012, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 11 2012, 10:39 PM)
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Investors shd support FSM, low cost investment channel, too push other fund houses to lower down their sales charges
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Psst... already got competitor.. CIMB clicks is currently cheaper at 1.5%. brows.gif
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post Feb 24 2012, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 24 2012, 12:38 AM)
Not everyone has the ability, time and initiative to comprehend how UT works. An agent would be helpful for them. Just as some ppl can trade shares on9, some prefer the services of a broker and they don't mind paying more brokerage fees. nod.gif
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Not all broker good one, some of them only concern of their own earnings by asking people to buy buy buy...and end up the investor is the loser. tongue.gif I estimate of all the brokers maybe about 20% are truly professional...


Added on February 24, 2012, 12:02 pm
QUOTE(kparam77 @ Feb 23 2012, 11:50 PM)
maybe,
PM has more than 40k agents. largest in malaysia private UTMC. or PM itself very loyal to agents. investor only can buy/sell/switch in FSM. thats why less SC.

i think FSM managemnt fee is higher than PM.(the fund company + FSM), ya, where else FSM can make money with less SC. pls correct me if i mistake. and some has exit fee too in FSM.
some investors still need agents to educate them abt UT too.
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FSM have almost no agents.. they only operate online website. Their sales charges are much lower compared to purchasing from agents. They earn money by having lower overhead and no need to pay agents. brows.gif The other management and trustee fess are all the same. Example below a equity UT from CIMB.

1. Buy from Agent
Sales Charge = 6.5%
Annual Management Fees = 1.5%

2. Buy from CIMB Clicks (DIY)
Sales Charges = 2.5%
Annual Management Fees = 1.5%

3. Buy from FSM (DIY)
Sales Charges = 2.0%
Annual Management Fees = 1.5%

Which one will you choose? tongue.gif

Seriously, sooner or later UT agents is a sunset industry... look at other countries where most UT is traded online and even then UT itself is threaten by ETF which is steadily eating into UT purchases. The only stalwart in malaysia in PM, others such as CIMB, OSK, AMBank, Pacific all have gone online. Sooner or later market forces will determine the move to full online for PM....the question is only when?

I for one has moved all my UT to online, and now exploring it to move to ETF... for even lower fees... about 0.3% management fees per annum. ohmy.gif


Added on February 24, 2012, 12:15 pm
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 22 2012, 10:13 PM)
Sorry I'm never interesed in MYR Equity funds, prefer exposure to MYR equities thru MYR Balanced funds wink.gif
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Balanced funds is not worth it.... better to buy equity and bond funds to mix your self.

Just calculate this.. average balanced funds have sales charge of 2% and management fees of 1.5%, holding 50% bond in FSM
If you buy 50% bond and 50% equity separately your charges is much much lower, and it is easy for you to rebalanced themselves. If you buy 50%/50% then your average charges is 1% sales charge and 1.25% management fees. brows.gif

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post Feb 24 2012, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 24 2012, 01:20 PM)

but problem is Kenanga Growth is 100% MYR...I wanted some exposure to Asia Ex-Japan unsure.gif
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No probelm mah.. if your kid save has 30% (equity portion)exposure to Asia ex. Japan.. then you can also formulate yourself.

50% Bond Fund
35% Equity - MY
15% Equity - Asia ex Japan

Then you can select the best fund in each category. I always see that those 'rojak' funds never perform good as they have too many things to focus at one time. laugh.gif
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post Feb 24 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 24 2012, 01:20 PM)
... leave the balancing work to OSK-UOB... blush.gif

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Balancing is easy mah.. only need to once every 6 months or so. Open account, if bond highr % then switch some to equity and if equity higher % switch to bond loh. 2 menit job only.. no need to pay ppl do? laugh.gif

Having separate equity/bond also have advantage, you think stock over value.. then you can put more into bond and get to KEEP the switching credit during under value to where you switch from bond to equity. rclxms.gif Or it you don;t want think so much, just keep it 50%/50% all the time, even OSK does that. laugh.gif
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post Feb 24 2012, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 24 2012, 01:43 PM)
Equity Asia Ex-Japan - ??? unsure.gif

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I do not like most of Malaysia's Asia ex. Japan.. cause i think they have no experience managing outside of the country yet... as always my favourite asia ex japan will be Aberdeen Pacific Equity Fund .. really good performer year in year out. laugh.gif

Otherwise you might wan to consider CIMB Asean 40 ETF... wink.gif

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post Feb 24 2012, 01:52 PM

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Deleted.. wrong info... tongue.gif

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post Feb 24 2012, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 24 2012, 01:53 PM)
gark, u troll me dry.gif

Q: Is credit system applicable to all switching?

A: No, Credit system is only applicable to Intra-switch, not for Inter-switch.
However, there are certain funds which are not available for Intra-Switch. Please refer to SWITCHING OF FUND FAQ for more information.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=2001
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Yeah sorry, too used to Singapores FSM.. free switching... hehehe my bad. tongue.gif
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post Sep 22 2012, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(wwl86 @ Sep 22 2012, 01:42 PM)
70%bond, 30%equity? no balanced?
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Balanced fund is a waste of time and money. You do better having your own allocation. tongue.gif And I noticed you come from financial services.... i wonder. hmm.gif

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post Jan 16 2013, 07:09 PM

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Interest rate will affect the REITs more than cooling measures for the property price. If Interest rate start going up, then there will be a sell down for REITs.
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post Jan 16 2013, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 16 2013, 07:15 PM)
Interest rate rising still a long way to go as at this juncture
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Most interest rate in developed countries is already near zero, there is no way to go but up. The only question is when?

If interest rate in developed countries goes up, it will have ripple effect and other countries will follow suit, if not the currency will devalue as people are chasing the higher yield.

For the past 2-3 years REIT and bond both had a spectacular run, the question is when will the music stop...
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post Jan 17 2013, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Jan 17 2013, 12:27 AM)
Good question - when will the music stop for REITs.

As to when interest rates will go up, there are no signs it will happen soon. Interest rates goes up when:

1) economies are expanding and GDP increasing, and showing signs of over-heating
2) inflation goes up, your cup of kopi in kopitiam keeps increasing

At this point, economies in Europe, China and America on most often described as "recovering", which is hardly the recipe for increasing interest rates. In fact things might go downhill again, requiring more QE, and more "stimulus" and such like, if interest rates are already near-ZERO.

So no, I can't see any reasons for interest rates to go up. Maybe you can, but you haven't explained your reasons why.
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Interest rate goes up when deflation is replaced by inflation. Yes current economies in USA, Europe & Japan is now over the deflation stage and recovering. They are beginning to turn from deflation to inflation. Meanwhile the inflation in developing countries are moderating from property speculation 1-2 years ago. SO you are correct that interest might not go up anytime now.

Anyway bonds and average REIT yields are so compressed now, only yielding at 150-200 bps above government securities is the lowest ever. Even if there are any more yield compression, i for see only about 50 bps or more UNLESS interest rate falls.

My argument is that MY REIT and BOND does not have much further upside, and the past 10-15% p.a. returns are history. All the risk is there, but the gains are limited.

Another risk is with property price, most MY REIT is now re-valuated yearly. If property prices is cooling off and or deflation sets in, then some of the highly leveraged REIT might hit the 50% debt/asset ratio. If that happens, they either have to raise cash by issuing rights or sell off some of their property. Also this is currently not happening but another risk associated with REIT.

Looking at SG REITs is generally yielding 300-400 bps over SG govt securities, which might offer better future returns, but there are higher risk as SG REIT is very highly leveraged, and previous downturn hits it quite badly.

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post Feb 6 2013, 07:55 PM

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Added more units today for Aberdeen Pacific Equity Fund at FSM... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Switch out all my under performing Lion Global Japan Growth fund to Aberdeen Pacific Equity as well.

Lucky escape, only breakeven after 1 year of purchase... stupid japan UT bought during the earthquake...sweat.gif

Next target to load more into DWS China Equity fund & Templeton Frontier Markets... laugh.gif

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post Feb 6 2013, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 6 2013, 08:05 PM)
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FSM Singapore dry.gif grumble.gif

Bullish on Emerging and Frontier Markets? hmm.gif
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Also FSM what...

Yes 80% of my UT is in emerging markets... only left about 20% in S&P 500.. laugh.gif Been switching out European and Japan UT...

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post Feb 19 2013, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 19 2013, 06:45 PM)
Basics pun taktau? blink.gif

go FSM website...read the "Getting Started" section...then come back ask if u dun understand anything.Tonite I'm free to answer a newbie biggrin.gif
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I newbie wor.. teach me sifu!!!!! notworthy.gif

What is UT ah? How to construct portfolio? How often to balance portfolio? blush.gif

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post Feb 20 2013, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 19 2013, 09:05 PM)
And I just transferred 10K to my stockbroking account sweat.gif
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Wah pinky want to play stock already.. guess UT too boring for you ah?

Sifu!!!! Teach me play stock!!!!! tongue.gif
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post Feb 20 2013, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 20 2013, 09:52 AM)
I "played" before, and had a quite substantial loss cry.gif  (in percentage terms, not in RM terms tongue.gif )

Now I just wanna collect some stocks with attractive dividends, buy-and-hold for long term. Don't put all eggs in UTs in one basket, remember? biggrin.gif
Stocks will only make up about 20-25% of my total investment assets for the time being.
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Stock more exiting than UT, but don't speculate.... always have margin of safety in mind.

You still have not teach me anything ah sifu? cry.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 20 2013, 10:07 AM)
I just screen thru stocks with 1 criterion - dividend yield higher than my "conservative" bond fund's IRR - 3.7%

Then I look at consistency of dividend payout and whether revenue and profitability is growing

Simple je
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Wooo not so simple... for stocks not only you see the dividend but dividend can be reduced or stock price fall due to business and market sentiment. Your 'stock' can pay 8% dividend but the value drop by 30%.. then how? tongue.gif If very simple everyone 'kaya' already ooh..

Picking stocks is 100x harder than picking UT... icon_idea.gif

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