QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 12 2012, 09:10 PM)
The whole world is a Ponzi...governments keep printing money, and the money has to go
somewhere, right?
Been reading some blogs, some posts here for the past few days, got me thinking about the kaboom issue also, but I come to the conclusion that, "No Risk, No Gain". I'm comfortable with my Bonds 60/40 Equity allocation, come rain come shine.
Heheh - well, at least "world Ponzi" can print $, unlike some Ponzis can't print gold nor $.
Remember, Gov can tax the living kaka out of its people + lelong its natural resources to feed the Ponzi, other than printing $ --> devaluating their currency --> making it a cheap exporter for other countries. Whoa... sounds very familiar..
My maximum Asset Allocation terbalik from yours hehe - hit a max of 41%+ fixed income before re-balancing it back to 33%+, the rest biz + real estate equities and trades.
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Interesting - just read
http://brooklyninvestor.blogspot.sg/2012/0...et-and.html?m=1Similar worries on equities, hard assets and/or fixed income assets - thought fellow forumers may be interested
FRIDAY, AUGUST 10, 2012
World War III and the Stock Market (and other random thoughts)
I've read the 1934, 1940 and 1988 editions of Securities Analysis but haven't read the 1951 and 1962 editions. For whatever reason, they slipped through the cracks. I really love the 1934 edition because it is the first edition and really digs into what went wrong in the 1920s and early 1930s (sounds exactly like the 1990s bubble), and the 1940 edition.
I think Buffett has said that the 1940 edition is his favorite. He said he has read it at least four times over the years. A sixth edition was published recently with comments by some of the current great investors and those 'essays' alone are worth the price of the book. The sixth edition is just a reissue of the 1940 edition (updated) with these essays added.
The commentators are:
Seth Klarman
James Grant
Roger Lowenstein
Howard Marks
J. Ezra Merkin (?!)
Bruce Berkowitz
Glenn Greenberg
Bruce Greenwald
David Abrams
Thomas Russo
Anyway, here are the links to the various editions (of course, from the Brooklyn investor store; I just set up this bookstore for fun. I wanted to understand how this stuff works (after following Amazon for so many years) and did it out of curiosity, plus I find myself recommending the same books over and over to people so figured I would put it all up somewhere. I haven't really finished stocking it up and organizing it, though).
1934 Edition
Sixth Edition (1940 reissue)
1951 Edition
1962 Edition
If you haven't read any of them and only had to read one, I would say start with the Sixth Edition (The 1988 edition was not written by Graham).
1951 Edition
Anyway, so I started reading the 1951 edition and in the preface dated October 1951, there was a paragraph that struck me as relevant to today (well, everything he says is still relevant today):
This preface is being written when the possibility of a third world war weighs heavily in all our minds. We need to say only a word about this unhappy subject in relation to our present work. The effect of such a war upon ourselves and our institutions is incalculable. But in the field of securities analysis we need consider only its bearing on the choice between various securities and between securities and (paper) money. It seems sufficient to observe that since war and inflation are inseparable, paper money and securities payable in specific amounts of paper money would seem to offer less financial or basic protection than soundly chosen common stocks, representing ownership of tangible, productive property.
And in the footnote, there was an excerpt from an essay Graham wrote for the Analysts Journal in the first quarter of 1951 titled The War and Stock Values.
Here is a quote from there:
Stock prices as a whole may be expected to rise, sooner or later, to reflect this cheapening of the dollar. The course of the stock market from 1900 to date (1951) shows a fairly close over-all correspondence between the risk in stocks and the general prices, although there have been significant divergences for fairly long periods.
This is relevant today because most people seem to fear now high inflation due to all the pump-priming around the world. This is not news to stock investors; many believe that stocks are better than cash and bonds, but others are worried that high inflation will cause stock prices to go down; they think they should wait by holding cash (despite inflation risk), gold or look into investing in 'hard' assets like real estate.
Hard Assets or Stocks?
I wrote a lot about what I think of gold here so I'll talk about other assets. There is somewhat of a boom in farm land around the world with purely financial buyers bidding up prices. The story makes a lot of sense; there will be inflation in the future so own hard assets. Food demand will continue to grow on increasing population so farmland prices will go up.
But it's important to remember (and nobody really talks about anymore) that the housing bubble in the U.S. was driven largely by people wanting to own a 'hard' asset. They got killed in stocks in the 2000 internet bubble. They vowed, no more stocks! And they rushed into real estate. It's a hard asset, right? It will hold it's value. The Fed will always print more money at every economic downtick. The government will keep spending money. Inflation is inevitable. So why not own houses and real estate? Land bank stocks boomed too back then. They don't make more land, right? But they do keep printing more money.
So it made perfect sense. Buy houses, land, land bank stocks etc. And what's more, you can borrow to do so. Borrowing money is shorting the U.S. dollar. And sometimes you can do it with positive carry or zero carry (cash savings or rental income pays interest and other expenses so you get the rise in prices for free).
This was a major factor in people rushing into real estate, I think.
And there are people driven to certain investments today for the same reason and I am a bit skeptical of them.
Stocks are Real Assets Too
People tend to brush off stocks as a piece of paper and forget that it's a partial ownership of real assets, or "tangible, productive property" as Graham called it. Of course, this is not true for all stocks. As I mentioned in a post a while back, Coca-Cola has done really well over time despite the inflation that has occured in the past century. As Graham says, stock prices eventually catch up to the rise in general price levels. (I wrote about KO and inflation here)
If a business has a good product, good management, good business etc., then inflation won't be much of a problem. The only problem is that if inflation ticks up, stock prices may go down in the short term (Earnings may go down too, but if it's a good business, they will be able to reprice and do well over time).
I think this is what most investors worry about. They remember stocks at 7x p/e back in the late 1970s and think it can go back to that level when high inflation inevitably comes.
In the above mentioned The War and Stock Values essay, Graham wrote:
War conditions could be destructive to stock values but the mere possibility proves nothing of significance. It is the weight of probabilities that is important.
This is another key point. People worry about inflation, but it is important to weigh the probabilities. Many smart people do think inflation is inevitable (as I do too), but we don't really know when and how much. Some feel hyperinflation is inevitable and others have more moderate views.
But nothing is certain. When a scenario is certain and absolute (and many agree), you should look elsewhere anyway as you can only make money on the divergence between perception and reality. (There is a conundrum here as gold and other hard asset prices says inflation is inevitable but bond prices say deflation).
Stocks Outperform Inflation Over Time
OK, so I'm going to borrow this chart from Bill Gross' (PIMCO bond guru) recent, controversial letter that I will comment on later.
This shows that stocks over time have handily outperformed inflation, bonds and cash. But the key words are "over time". Of course, stocks were flat in the inflationary 1970s. One might have averted that flat period by successfully timing the market, but I think it's been proven that nobody can time in and out of markets over time successfully (most individual investors lose money or underperform because they get in and out of stocks at the wrong time!).
(I have shown here that there is a class of investors (residents of a village) that can make good returns in a flat market period without resorting to getting in and out of the market. This group has outperformed in all sorts of market environments over long periods of time. I have yet to find similiar performance figures for tactical asset allocators and market timers).
Fear of 7x p/e Stock Market
So anyway, yes, if inflation spikes up like in the 1970s, stock prices will go down and may go down really hard. But we don't know when and how much things will go down. One big risk in avoing stocks until such event occurs is that it may not happen as planned. Back in 1987, people thought a 1930s-like depression was inevitable (so they stayed out of stocks). Others thought that the market won't bottom until the market p/e gets to 7x. They looked at a long term chart of market p/e ratios and they saw that the market went down to that level in 1932 and 1972. So they figured it must get there in 1987 or 1988 too. In fact, many called for 7x market p/e's in 1990-1992 too during the Iraq crisis, real estate / Citibank crisis etc. I heard people call for it in 1997/1998 too.
If there were two times it should have happened, it was after the 2000 bubble collapse and of course the financial crisis. The market p/e didn't get low then either. You can fairly argue that stocks haven't done much since 2000 so it doesn't matter; staying out of the market wouldn't have cost much.
But it's still not a certainly that we will get 7x p/e's in the near future.
So what if it does? Odds are that people who get out now and wait for a 7x p/e before jumping back in will do worse over time than people who ride it all the way through.
Cheap Can Be Good for Current Stockholders
There is a big difference between thinking that the bear market will bottom at 5x or 7x p/e and thinking that stocks will get to 7x p/e and stay at that valuation forever. If you think the former, it doesn't matter. If you think the latter, then maybe you are better off staying out of the stock market (even though you have to calculate the odds that you may be right etc.).
People want to keep cash on the sidelines so that they can buy stocks when they get cheaper, or so they can moderate the losses on the downside.
This is something each person has to figure out on their own and do what is comfortable for them. But it's important to remember that even if you are fully invested, that doesn't mean you can't take advantage of a cheap market.
Charlie Munger talked about this at a recent annual meeting. He said low stock prices is good because it allows good companies to grow. He said this is how Rockefeller, Carnegie and others got rich. They were around in bad times to buy stuff on the cheap to get bigger. Without the bad times, they wouldn't have grown as big and wouldn't have gotten as rich (I assume Munger meant Rockefeller/Carnegie got big at the company level; strong balance sheet and good cash flow to reinvest in bad times to expand).
If you own a stock that generates good cash flows, then you are going to benefit in bad times as long as the people who run the business know how to allocate capital. They will get better deals than most individuals and even most professional investors will get.
This is why it's important to invest in companies with solid businesses with high moats, not too cyclical and strong balance sheets.
Most investors are afraid of the mark-to-market losses they will have to take on a decline in the stock market and they don't think about what happens on an upturn after that.
So even if you have no cash and are fully invested, that doesn't mean good companies you own can't take advantage; in one sense, you are not fully invested. (Think about the companies that I write a lot about here; BRK, LUK, L etc. A lot of these companies have good cash flows and excess capital they are waiting to deploy. This is true for strong operating companies too).
Culture of Equity is Dead
So Bill Gross wrote a letter stating that stocks are basically dead and even said that the stock market is a sort of Ponzi scheme. He points to the difference in real stock market returns over time of 6.6%/year versus a real GDP growth over time 3.5%/year and says it is unsustainable as the stock market is just skimming 3%/year off the top. Many have already pointed out the error in Gross' thinking; that difference is basically dividends that get paid out.
He confused growth in stock market capitalization and total return.
In any case, there was something else I thought about while reading that letter. Even if the stock market as a whole can't outdo GDP over time, I do think that great companies can (not that we can always identify great companies).
For example, Walmart has been taking market share from unlisted, small mom and pop shops for decades. This would show up in an increase in stock market earnings over and above GDP growth. The same could be said of some great restaurant companies. Roll up strategies might give the same effect. Globalization can also contribute to this trend; McDonalds, YUM Brands, Coke all get a lot of growth outside the U.S. and yet book earnings here in the U.S.
As usual, regardless of what the macro, top down charts show, at the end of the day, it's all about the individual businesses and the price you pay for them.
P.S. Market Up More Than 11% YTD
Not that short term stock market movements matter much, but I just couldn't resist pointing out yet again the futility of macro-analysis for stock market investing. All year, we have been worried about a real implosion in Europe and even China. I too was convinced that a real crash may happen and things really might get out of hand. Reading the newspapers every day was a scary thing to do; sometimes I just wanted to not read the paper at all.
And yet here we are with the S&P 500 index up over 11% on the year. As I said many times before, if you took all that has happened this year, went into a time machine to the beginning of the year and told them what would happen, I don't think people would have guessed the stock market would be up at this point. (On top of the Europe problem, slowing China and the fiscal cliff, we also had JPM's whale problem etc.)
Louis Bacon recently gave back some of his investor's capital saying the markets are too tough to trade with all of this macro noise (or more the government interference). He is supposed to make money off of that. He complained that political meddling / interfering in the markets has made it hard to make money. I scratched my head because it seems that that has always been the case. Remember the Greenspan put? Remember the Plaza accord? Central bank intervention in foreign currency markets? Rubin's bailing out of Mexico? LTCM bailout?
I think it has always been pretty hard. I would guess that Bacon's problem is size, and possibly even information flow. I think some hedge funds were privy to some good, advantageous information (not necessarily illegal inside information) in the past and due to the crackdown on banks, independent research firms, insider trading busts and overall heavier regulatory scrutiny, maybe that sort of information doesn't flow as much as it used to. But that's just a shot in the dark guess. (I noticed that a high performance hedge fund's return started to slow dramatically also around the time that independent equity research companies started to be investigated. This may be a coincidence, but I always wondered about that. Still, size is probably the biggest hurdle to high performance).
For equity oriented hedge funds, Sarbox and Reg FD may be a factor too in flattening the information flow; previously analysts were able to get access to more information and pass that on to favored institutional investors including hedge funds. These new regulations made it harder to get good information.
This is nothing new; I am not making any allegations. Michael Steinhardt himself has said in one of the Money Masters books that one advantage he had was that he paid Wall Street so much in commissions that he was a valued client. Therefore, he often got the first call on upgrades, downgrades etc. And when he didn't get the first call, he would go ballistic.
The world has changed quite a bit since then, and this may be a factor in the moderation of hedge fund returns lately.
This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Aug 13 2012, 09:00 AM 
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