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post Jan 5 2012, 05:47 PM, updated 14y ago

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sifus, i would like to know if the camber screw needs to be change everytime i do alignment? The last time i did alignment is about 6 months ago but the mechanic says now need to change again. Is this true?
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post Jan 5 2012, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(wsmw @ Jan 5 2012, 05:47 PM)
sifus, i would like to know if the camber screw needs to be change everytime i do alignment? The last time i did alignment is about 6 months ago but the mechanic says now need to change again. Is this true?
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Nope. He's trying to CON u.

Also, next time pls atleast let us know what car u driving. Either Aston Martin or Jaguar etc
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post Jan 5 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 5 2012, 05:48 PM)
Nope. He's trying to CON u.

Also, next time pls atleast let us know what car u driving. Either Aston Martin or Jaguar etc
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a 2001 Wira AB. then how to determine when is it necessary to change? only follow the alignment machine?
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post Jan 5 2012, 06:26 PM

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u always go back to the same shop?

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post Jan 5 2012, 06:51 PM

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It is a common practise amongst the tayar shops to bullshyt and con people to change the camber screw. Please blacklist that shop and go find another one.
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post Jan 5 2012, 06:59 PM

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How about camber adjustment on Wira front suspension ? I see one shop they take out the tyre and open screw on the suspension then adjust it, even put the water ruler like those used for house / floor to check for the levelness. hmm.gif
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post Jan 5 2012, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jan 5 2012, 06:26 PM)
u always go back to the same shop?
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6 months ago they did not ask me to change. this shop is a new shop near my place.



but how to identify when to change camber screw? and usually how long does it last?


Added on January 5, 2012, 7:33 pmbtw, any good shops to recommend near Ampang or Cheras area?

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post Jan 5 2012, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(wsmw @ Jan 5 2012, 07:32 PM)
6 months ago  they did not ask me to change. this shop is a new shop near my place.
but how to identify when to change camber screw? and usually how long does it last?


Added on January 5, 2012, 7:33 pmbtw, any good shops to recommend near Ampang or Cheras area?
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My Suzuki ERV is 8 years old, driven all over Malaysia from Johor to Perlis to Terengganu. Until now don't need to change camber screw. Just every 5000-10000 go for alignment and balancing with a trusted Tyre man, and he will not cheat you to change something unnecessary to change.
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post Jan 5 2012, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 5 2012, 06:59 PM)
How about camber adjustment on Wira front suspension ? I see one shop they take out the tyre and open screw on the suspension then adjust it, even put the water ruler like those used for house / floor to check for the levelness. hmm.gif
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that is how they normally adjust the camber ma not meh?
unless u got ball mounting la
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post Jan 5 2012, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 5 2012, 06:59 PM)
How about camber adjustment on Wira front suspension ? I see one shop they take out the tyre and open screw on the suspension then adjust it, even put the water ruler like those used for house / floor to check for the levelness. hmm.gif
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Oh this is funny. Why do they need such things? Usually with just the laser alignment machine, they can determine with much much more accuracy than just a water ruler.... These people are just self trained so called experts who actually spoil your car more. Best you avoid this shop!

Oh yes, there are those xray! eyed conmen, who with one look of the eye can determine, the alignment is out and the camber screws need to be changed..... All nothing but conmen, how many times I asked them back to justify and they can't! So that shop became blacklisted! Never go there anymore.

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post Jan 5 2012, 08:45 PM

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u will need the camber screw / camber washer / camber shims once you lowered your ride to certain level in which the camber reading will be too -ve..
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jan 5 2012, 08:10 PM)
that is how they normally adjust the camber ma not meh?
unless u got ball mounting la
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Think I read it somewhere that FF car have fixed camber, means can't be adjusted, so was wondering is it really the screw hole there got gap enough for the screw to run till effect the camber?

QUOTE(jflcorp @ Jan 5 2012, 08:17 PM)
Oh this is funny. Why do they need such things? Usually with just the laser alignment machine, they can determine with much much more accuracy than just a water ruler.... These people are just self trained so called experts who actually spoil your car more. Best you avoid this shop!

Oh yes, there are those xray! eyed conmen, who with one look of the eye can determine, the alignment is out and the camber screws need to be changed..... All nothing but conmen, how many times I asked them back to justify and they can't! So that shop became blacklisted! Never go there anymore.
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So is it really need to adjust the camber for Wira? Or they just trolling for money?
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post Jan 5 2012, 11:22 PM

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just asked them to adjust right n left toe to zero. If the mechanic is not that expert,asked to make total toe zero,just ignore the camber screw or what so ever.
Some camber are being set negative by manufacturers and it has little bit tolerance,not 100% the same for right n left.
If u still want to adjust camber, change to new set absorber that come with camber adjustment on top of the absorber,upper mounting on the chasis, example like satria neo lotus racing. Too expensive,but budget one,tein also offer thet type of absorber(not really cheap)
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post Jan 5 2012, 11:24 PM

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I myself quite amused to why consumers go and do alignment for the first time for their car and they will be asked to change to adjustable camber nuts that looks so cheap but costs so much.

Didnt they tried thinking in the first place, why do I need the camber nut? Why and what went wrong with the OEM camber nut that it needed a replacement with some cheapo looking stuff? Is the car has been wrongly designed from the first place?


Okay, I might be wrong with this, but since most cars in Malaysia are front wheel driven hence, most of the traction and steering happens on the front wheels. I believe, manufacturer has done their best to set the steering and wheel alignment geometry to be perfectly balanced and tweaked for good handling. Including the camber setting for the front wheels.

"But..but.. wrong camber can give un-even tyre wear?!"

Rotate the tyres from front to back to even out the wear. Do it in 6 months interval. Well, depends on the usage and frequency of traveling.



I like my slightly negative camber on my fronts.. smile.gif
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post Jan 5 2012, 11:25 PM

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when the mechanic put on the laser machine, the screen show 4 camber. according to him all 4 have to change.

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post Jan 6 2012, 02:18 AM

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chamber nut cost 5 buck a piece but how much they sold back doh.gif
plain profit doh.gif

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post Jan 6 2012, 05:15 AM

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The're trolling you.. camber nuts may need to be changed for extraordinary situations like u changed to lowering springs or bad accident.. for normal purposes the original nut is safer.. these rm5 cheapo no name nut pecah then gg.com?
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post Jan 6 2012, 09:38 AM

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i rotate my tyres every 10k. i also thought once u put the adjustable chamber nut... thats it. tak yah nak tukar tukar, the chamber nut is juz the adjustable nut that allows them to adjust chamber rite ? if not the original nut does not allow the chamber to be changed or tweaked.
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post Jan 6 2012, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 5 2012, 05:48 PM)
Nope. He's trying to CON u.

Also, next time pls atleast let us know what car u driving. Either Aston Martin or Jaguar etc
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I've been con once...

Learn from lesson...

After that, go the other alignment shop...the guy is using same tactic...i just laughing and say no, tq very much! laugh.gif
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post Jan 6 2012, 11:03 AM

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Just go to regular tyre shop will do.... My friend a tyre shop worker, once sold a piece of camber nut for toyota camry at the price of RM75 per piece. Somemore that piece of nut is taken from previous customers car... see how their boss teach them to do business.. After i heard how they do business, i never went back although my car was FOC. Hahaha... And there is a shop call Potensa in PJ, a bridgestone tyre shop. Thats even worst when customer took fully syn engine oil for them to change, the boss change it to nasa oil and give to the customer. customer buta buta went kopitiam and didnt know what happen.
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post Jan 6 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Jan 6 2012, 09:38 AM)
i rotate my tyres every 10k. i also thought once u put the adjustable chamber nut... thats it. tak yah nak tukar tukar, the chamber nut is juz the adjustable nut that allows them to adjust chamber rite ? if not the original nut does not allow the chamber to be changed or tweaked.
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they just one to do easy job n charge high price. U used chamber nuts, ur forcing the chamber to change from original spec, and it become out if spec. Unless u r going for racing on track,they used adjustable damper come with adjustable chamber which come with the damper itself,to suit with track condition.

The correct adjustment for chamber is using compression method using special tools, it just needed if u involve in accident or ur car more than 10 years old and been abused badly, that make the chamber out of spec.

Just check whether they used specific software for ur cars, normally just cedok all cars setting,some times wira for all prtn cars,even same type of cars,example city 2005,with city transformer, they are having diff chamber setting.

So,what actually they show u r totally wrong,they just playing with computer figure to con u.
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post Jan 6 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jan 6 2012, 11:42 AM)
they just one to do easy job n charge high price. U used chamber nuts, ur forcing  the chamber to change from original spec, and it become out if spec. Unless u r going for racing on track,they used adjustable damper come with adjustable chamber which come with the damper itself,to suit with track condition.

The correct adjustment for chamber is using compression method using special tools, it just needed if u involve in accident or ur car more than 10 years old and been abused badly, that make the chamber out of spec.

Just check whether they used specific software for ur cars, normally just cedok all cars setting,some times wira for all prtn cars,even same type of cars,example city 2005,with city transformer, they are having diff chamber setting.

So,what actually they show u r totally wrong,they just playing with computer figure to con u.
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mind to explain the compression method? thanks
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jan 6 2012, 11:42 AM)
they just one to do easy job n charge high price. U used chamber nuts, ur forcing  the chamber to change from original spec, and it become out if spec. Unless u r going for racing on track,they used adjustable damper come with adjustable chamber which come with the damper itself,to suit with track condition.

The correct adjustment for chamber is using compression method using special tools, it just needed if u involve in accident or ur car more than 10 years old and been abused badly, that make the chamber out of spec.

Just check whether they used specific software for ur cars, normally just cedok all cars setting,some times wira for all prtn cars,even same type of cars,example city 2005,with city transformer, they are having diff chamber setting.

So,what actually they show u r totally wrong,they just playing with computer figure to con u.
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if the setting that they use is for gen2, and not wira ? then it should be correct rite ?
mmg my camber, i told em to set it as slightly negative...
betul kan ?

 

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