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http://green.autoblog.com/2011/12/12/mazda...ency-will-it-w/compression ratio 14.3
2012 Hyundai Elantra, Hello Impossible!
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Feb 17 2012, 10:46 AM) http://green.autoblog.com/2011/12/12/mazda...ency-will-it-w/compression ratio 14.3 |
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QUOTE(caddilac @ Feb 17 2012, 11:03 AM) aiyo, said a million time, jap not keen in diesel engine, their country policy.so u see they dont really develop diesel, rather they go hybrid or electric. maybe diesel reserve for heavy machinery for war time |
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QUOTE(caddilac @ Feb 17 2012, 11:07 AM) 30km/L is Mazda 2 with SkyActiv but the SkyActiv on Mazda 2 is quite different from CX-5 and 3... Mazda 2 1.3 SkyActiv doesn't use Direct Injection whereas CX5 and 3 do. yea, proton also making cars. ferrari also making cars, any similarity? CX-5 official FC for Petrol 16km/L, diesel 18.6km/L... Added on February 17, 2012, 11:14 am Mazda SkyActiv diesel is one of the latest diesel tech from Jap. Mitsubishi 4N1 also a new diesel engine. Honda is coming out with an all new 1.6 diesel as well. Now Nissan is selling X-Trail diesel in japan and also CX-5 diesel is being sold now. Anything to do with their country policy? Only Toyota is lazy with diesel because they are trying to push their petrol Hybrid range as the new clean diesel engine has similar FC with Hybrid. That's why they don't wanna let people wonder why buy hybrid when diesel can get similar FC. So I believe that is Toyota's own problem. Just like the Kia Rio diesel is now the cleanest non-electric car in Europe with only 85g/km Co2 emissions. Toyota Prius is emitting 89g/km CO2 which is lower than the Kia Rio. That's why many people still believe that there is still a long way to go for internal combustion engine because more and more technology is achieving better and better result. Hybrid is great in cutting emission of petrol engine but when you talking about running and ownership cost, it still can't beat diesel engine in current stage as well as the near future. If you want to do the best, diesel hybrid should be the one to go. making diesel engine and making good and popular diesel engine is different. jap never emphasis on diesel. can try use google firsT? http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/business/T100825005653.htm In some European countries, diesel-powered cars account for 30 percent to 70 percent of passenger cars sold. But in Japan, diesel cars last year accounted for only 0.2 percent of the market |
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QUOTE(caddilac @ Feb 17 2012, 07:57 PM) Few years back nobody sell diesel car in Japan. Now they are starting to offer which show some changes in automakers' thinking. yup, i think the next car we're gonna buy is either electric or diesel. Jap wise I believe the biggest factor is consumer's preference as well as lack of diesel engine choices. In fact most part of world is the same as most markets have very little diesel powered car available for consumer and new diesel tech requires higher fuel grade which many countries don't have. That's why diesel power is not popular yet. Consumers need to be educated because most people are still having the kind of mentality that diesel car is very dirty n vibrate like hell. hhmmmm so for now must enjoy the cheap oil first |
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with proton p3-21, jazz hybrid, and prius C coming.....and also honda insight facelift....
hmmmm......they better move faster. |
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Feb 21 2012, 09:29 AM) There is no wrong buying a civic. It still market leader for C-segment car globally. In USA, Jan 2012 statistic show Honda sell 21,883 units civic compare 10,900 units of Elantra for the same months although Elantra win North America COTY award. yea. just like vw, they might be boring and very dull looking in the interior. but engineering know-how and handling is not easy to master by other company. Like it or not, some poor review just minority but majority buyers can accept civic as a good product. by changing an outlook doesnt mean the car will turn to god like. civic is successful because, auntie/uncle will buy it for reliability, young man will buy it for sporty look, ricer will buy it for handling part, very young man will buy it to show off due to honda badge, also not forgetting, the RESALE value. from the above, the elantra has this, good looking exterior, and (hopefully) relatively lower price. |
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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Feb 21 2012, 09:38 AM) i've tried the crz before when it first launched and im (my mum) is waiting for the cvt version to arrive. firstly, ill be comparing the crz with civic 1.8 (in terms of power) and it is faster then civic in sports mode but just in the starting range and not the race to the top speed. handling, imo feels like a smaller GTi. Design wise, i have nothing to say do you think girls can drive this car? Added on February 21, 2012, 9:43 am QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Feb 21 2012, 09:38 AM) i've tried the crz before when it first launched and im (my mum) is waiting for the cvt version to arrive. firstly, ill be comparing the crz with civic 1.8 (in terms of power) and it is faster then civic in sports mode but just in the starting range and not the race to the top speed. handling, imo feels like a smaller GTi. Design wise, i have nothing to say Note the word, Very young man Added on February 21, 2012, 9:42 am haha if you are really in the higher society, there's nothing to show off with a Honda badge, not even an Accord. Hmm yes, VW's interior are dull but at least they have the consistency to remain classy. Civic... well the current one did impress me when it first launched and probably set my hopes too high for the 2012 civic. But no doubt, its a pretty reliable car because im driving one. This post has been edited by turbocharged: Feb 21 2012, 09:43 AM |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 21 2012, 09:47 AM) of cos Added on February 21, 2012, 9:50 am QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Feb 21 2012, 09:48 AM) haha yeah girls definitely can drive it. As for you, if you are currently driving a 'powerful' car then you will be slightly disappointed with CRz but nevertheless a fun car. Im waiting to steal my mum's too hahaha. i'm currently driving a 2 liter car, will i be dissapointed for crz power? how does it fare with your civic , power wise. hmm true that. one thing i regret about buying civic is it is EVERYWHERE. pfft but oh well, not that i have the cash to import a veyron seriously need a test drive This post has been edited by turbocharged: Feb 21 2012, 09:50 AM |
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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Feb 21 2012, 09:57 AM) my civic is just 1.8 and like i said, CRZ can tapau maybe 0-60? then to 100 probably lose around 1-2 seconds. so you can only tapau people in traffic light sounds good for a wife's car |
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200 pages of waiting
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QUOTE(xVince @ Feb 21 2012, 03:34 PM) Poor reviews and they are just minority? Lmao when they give the previous generation Civics a good review everyone says their info are reliable and now when they dont, you're just gonna say they reviews are poor? Those reviewers that you are talking probably spent their time on cars a thousand times more than you do. Do you even know why Honda is facelifting the Civic in just 8 months? Apart of it is because of those so called ''minority'' reviews. They can't even get the ''Recommended Buy'' tag like they always do on their previous Civic. I can't brain why majority buyers can accept civic as a good product when Honda itself admitted that the current one is crap which is the reason why they are gonna facelift in just 8 months. because majority buyer here are upgrading from wiras or myvis, so its a good product (civic) anyhow.so, if you dont mind, what are you driving now? so i can tell you whether civic will let you down or not. |
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they should just quiet quiet launch the car la.
ppl already driving CRZ. later prius C, jazz hybrid, proton turbo. and another 100 pages of waiting for this car |
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QUOTE(Chongkor @ Feb 21 2012, 03:55 PM) SD can continue sell bmw cars and ford fiesta too Added on February 21, 2012, 3:59 pm QUOTE(xVince @ Feb 21 2012, 03:57 PM) Currently have 5 D-Segment in my house but the current ones that are selling in Malaysia are already overpriced but atleast the quality is there. If the new Civic launches, the price will increase for sure but the quality are lower than the previous ones? Thats a major let down yo. then....sounds like civic will let you down.....This post has been edited by turbocharged: Feb 21 2012, 03:59 PM |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 21 2012, 05:04 PM) For the Elantra, the best would be the high spec 1.8L. I wouldnt go for anything else. But since your budget is only RM90K, then the next best would be the Forte. But if i were you, i would spend a bit more and take the Forte 2.0. Better specs and more efficient fuel consumption. The 1.6L is too sluggish for my liking. Forte's resale value is surely much better than the other 2. +16 airbags + all electronics nanny. |
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 21 2012, 05:01 PM) forte all the way, cause it is a ban chien kuih. you know the thing that is cheap and has everything in it. hehe... there's always tomorrow..otherwise if P3-21A comes out, and you fall in love with it, maybe that one you may consider also, unless you have a no P policy, so cannot help here. but Fiesta is small and tight. but worth the money for the ride. i love it too. but i would not worry about resale value as you already got staff discount. 308T coming with new facelift soon, plus a little bit sensitive lah. sometimes will get angry with you for no reason, but it does give you plenty of pleasure and orgasms when u are using it. as for the elantra, nice, cool, but getting on everyones nerves, but anyway it will come somehow, maybe tomorrow u will see the car in Mid valley leh, who knows. only thing here if at 90k you could probably get a 1.6 from forte but u may not be able to get a elantra, so if you can, wait loh, wait and wait and wait. but what if tomorrow never comes..... |
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QUOTE(Chongkor @ Feb 21 2012, 05:12 PM) In US, the rating given for Elantra as follow. different ppl will have different expectation.U.S.News Scores Overall: 9.1 Performance: 8.4 Exterior: 9.1 Interior: 8.3 Safety: 9.8 Reliability: NA When it came to M'sia with diff engine (Not GDI), we still get the same figure as above? and different price will have different expectation. in US, elantra is priced at what price? low price + decent quality > decent price + decent quality |
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