Hi,

We do not like to have grills on our windows as we feel that it feel like ring in a cage. But we are also concerned about security?
Any suggestion? We were advised to install laminated windows with 1.2mm pwdr coated alu frame. Along with CCTV, and alarm, is it enough? Please share.


TQ

house or apartment? single or double storey?

really depending where you stay
whether landed house with guard or condo loh..

if you have to do it, you have to do it... that's all...
if you don't want too, then the only suggestion is to move to a safer neighborhood

It is a semi-d. Neighbors say it is safe but still .. There's a guard.
TQ 4 the prompt reply. Maybe have to rethink our choices.

is it gated and guarded neighborhood?

semi-d need a lot of grill, or if install alarm also need a lot of sensor for every windows i think...

This post has been edited by Hornsen: Dec 31 2011, 10:51 AM

Active protection = Grills, thick glass, personal guard house, dogs
Passive protection = CCTV, Alarm, Neighbor

If you don't have grills, make sure you have good quality safety glass like thick tempered glass.

I was told that it is better to have laminated windows (8.23mm) compared to tempered glass. Is this true? Another advised on having a tempered glass but coated with a film like the v-cool. Got confused when sourcing for windiws .

Btw, have u had any exp. with invisible grill?

Personal view, invisible grill look nice from outside, inside worse than normal grills.

Tempered glass is stronger, but once break it shatter to small pieces. Is at least few time stronger than laminated. Is use in high rise building. You have to get good quality. Difference tempered glass have its properties.

In my opinion, live in malaysia wo got no choice. Is a MUST to install grill at landed property.

This post has been edited by jforjean: Dec 31 2011, 11:59 AM

Another option is to get wrought iron grill. Nice design (do not look like jail) with the protection of a regular grill.
If you get a tempered glass, it look like a regular glass,
Look at window without grill = a leeeetle bit more look like an easy mark, slightly higher chances of burgular giving it a try.
Look at window with grill = look like a leeetle less easy mark, as burgular have to go through the grill.

Thanks for all the feedbacks. Looks like I have to source for some grills... Got no choice then.

Pheonix69, have been following ur reno and the house looks great...

Thanks, Hope your grill turns out great too

Dont install grill ,use tempered +laminated glass with high end alu frame, add safety glass tint. Install external alarm/ electronic fence

Hi skng03,

Do u have grill at ur place? Did u use the tempered + laminated glass windows? Mind sharing the pic and how much the cost? Electronic fence ?

is alu frame like this good enough to prevent break in? how much will it cost if it is a high end one?

Electric fencing need special license if not any injury you will get sue too.

The windows you recommend is more expensive than thick tempered glass + grill. If one can afford this level than ok lah. You looking at around RM 100 per square feet onward.

Well i had a friend living in semi-d without grill. It is quite safe but depend on location. As my friend house is in puchong

Do you know what he/she used for her windows/doors?

u lock ur windows 24 hrs a day ? otherwise laminated or tempered doesn't make any difference since people can just slip in thru windows

RM100+ psf...

1 window about 5 sf, 1 sliding door about 20 sf... semi-d got so many windows and sliding door, gonna cost a fortune to do this

100+ is on the low side more high end can be higher. Semi-D mah sure need more investment

It is possible. If your area have good security guard and well fence, you don't need grill. I have see some house in my area open their front grill 24hr.

I hate grill too. Feel like prison. Some of my windows replace due to old age don't have grill.

Without grill and gate I can put glass skylight already. But unfortunately we are in Malaysia, got to spend on safety first.

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Added on December 31, 2011, 7:04 pmSometime even good security can become bad if the management not consistent and this is very common here.

This post has been edited by weikee: Dec 31 2011, 07:04 PM

To achieve a better security and better community, we have to look beyond our fence. To safeguard my house, I have to corporate and together to secure my area and community. If we selfish and just look at our property, forever we stay in prison ( grill up).

I think we forget how kampung life with free of grill. (Eh.. I don't have experience how kampung security). He....

To achieve this, the country got to give everyone a good job security.

If you go Singapore, you can walk middle of no where and you don't feel unsecured. Because everyone have a job and can make a living.

Normal wooden door and aluminium frame. Nothing special. Infect my current neighbour had no grills as well. But then again so far I live in puchong and is quite safe.

This post has been edited by sonerin: Jan 1 2012, 08:28 AM

I don't have grills either. My house don't even have fence or gate....

But for my condo, there is a foyer before the main door and I really think I should put up a grill door or something as my shoe cabinets will be there outside. any nice looking ones to share? I think do like those in HK, bottom solid piece so your neighbors pets can't get thru. Top part will be grill like. Preferably made of aluminum so it won't rust or need painting. Secured with a mortise lock. No padlocks.

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jan 15 2012, 07:22 AM

Theres actually window that have roller shutter like grill... More expensive than the normal window with fixed security grill... Can have the benefit of 100% unobtrusive view, and also have security grill when u want to go to sleep.. Operated by motor or manually winching it down/up

Our problem is not grills or no grills. We should grill our police force, that's it. You dont see them in housing estate, not even once a mth. They hide in the polce stations the safest place on earth or somewhere on the road cari extra makan, sad to say but true who can dispute me? Prove me wrong!

This post has been edited by stevie8: Jan 15 2012, 06:54 PM

Is the country.

why don't you try invisible grill? it's not so noticeable but yet provide some protection. don't expect it to provide the same protection as metal grill though...

Hire personal armed security guard on you house if u can afford, no nit grill or gate lo No door also nvm Put a table and chair + 1 BIG umbrella would be sufficient. Haha.. Just kidding.

I think by raising some guard dogs might help, few species to name here like rottweilers and german sheperds. Be warned that raising these pets need high commitment, have to take care their health, food and appearance(like cleaning their furs) and also to give them obidient training must be done very often. Commitment lasted for 10-15 years each.

It depend of area your stay and WHo stay around that area...
If have petrol cars rounting around, than you may not require to have Grill...example Lile PutraJaya without fencing but now more and more house installed Grill too
If you been target, even grill also cant help lol

Safety first always opt for grill

In Western countries seldom use grill

In Western country we only pay 20k USD for a Camry. In western country if one out of job can go get support from government.

In Western Country, can get a set of good AVR for Less than 800 USD.

If you house does not have grille and your neighbour's house has grilles, which house would the thief choose to enter?

if no grill, can replace with wire mesh/mosquito netting? saw the home dec and newspaper got 1 company advertise. They say its a grill replacement. anyone tried it?

+1

Repace grille with wire netting?
Wire mesh/ netting can be cut or torn easily with a pair of pliers or small cutter.

The wire mesh how it looks like? But mosquito netting to replace grill, seriously?

u can look at this
http://www.majestec.com/product/pro_cat.ph...urity%20Windows

they claim they are grill replacement

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2384980

They say it's expensive. ~5k for ~5 panels meshtec vs <5k whole double storey house grille

This post has been edited by eek-1: Dec 18 2012, 03:36 PM

well... u can't be paying peanuts for quality stuff, right?
u pay for what you get i would say

No need windows, just brick it all up hehehe

How do the calculate? Per sf price?

well the knife test and impact test is shown, however, there are no plier test. i work in an industry where we have sharp and pointed wirecutters, am thinking if then can cut. I checked the Australian houseowner website says the pliers can't get into the gap. Am thinking if anybody uses it, whats the review?

Yea, majestec is the only 1 in Malaysia I've seen so far. and it is expensive. Am thinking if upstairs wouldn't be too bad to install.

Security glass like Fascina is another options. It will take more than 10 mins to break it down. The problem is when the burglar attempt & fail, it will still cost you $$ to replace it.

Hi all sifus,

need advise on this...

double storeys landed house in sri hartamas area.

Gated and guarded

grill or not grill...

the window with the grill very ugly T.T

Depend you the person like to open windows or door to have natural air coming in or ac 24/7. Imagine open windows or door and no grills. If you feel secure, no need grill lo.

How do u install alarm without grill?

My sub con told me unable to install alarm without grill...

Sure can.. can use motion sensor ma..

Motion sensors have its problem.

I called an alarm contractor, who he told was:

Vibrate sensor - to install inside the grill, if there is any vibrate it will alert the alarm
meaning to say, the grill is required

If without grill:

Magnet sensor - to put each magnet at EACH panel window frame, if you have 4 panel windows, 4 magnet sensor required, in another word - more expensive
AND, if the thieves was break the window without break the frame, the sensor wont alert the alarm...

CONCLUSION WAS = NO GRILL, NO ALARM

No choice. Grill is ugly but critical.

that bullshit. secure the permiters then no need to bother about windows. have you heard of (good) motion sensors? I have them all around the house and there is 100% no need for a grill.

ya... yesterday I found "such thing" motion sensors... lol
how much the motion sensor alarm you have install? and what brand?

my main contractor also saying he is talking bullshit and not practical

Sure got.. installing grill also got its own problem bro.. you cant run away from problem bro

This post has been edited by platinum_12: Sep 8 2013, 04:37 PM

Yeah.. im quite agree with pjusa. Normal, for those installer to say that.They cannot do doesnt meant the technology is not there. Let me glance thru my email again. I will pass that installer email once i get it. I didnt do it last time due tu bajet constrain. But im sure it can be done.

This post has been edited by platinum_12: Sep 8 2013, 04:40 PM

one sensor aint cheap if you buy a good one. 400-700 RM but for example my house to secure the entire outside parameters all around i only need 5 sensors plus one for the roof. that's alot less than installing one contact for every window (in my case 30) and shatter sensors (another 40). you do the maths - for 70 sensors even if i spend 10x the price for one single (and possible easy to temper sensor) for one real good PIR i am still better off and i have less possible faults to deal with.

Everything have its pros and cons.

For me grill are more practical because I keep the door and windows open when at home. Only hot day will switch on the ac. And usually when away I still leave the windows open slightly to make sure my house don't get so hot when we came back.

My neighbor don't have grill, she always keep the door shut and sliding windows close. Maybe she prefer running ac everyday.

A good motion sensor will come with infrared this will reduce the false alarm when wind blow to curtain or small pets moving.

Think your house don't have dog living inside right? If have dog especially mid to large size motion sensor will always give false alarm.

This post has been edited by weikee: Sep 8 2013, 05:23 PM

Thanks bro... if you found it may forward that email to me at noone_826@hotmail.com

Thousand of thanks

It very subjective.. me myself, even with grill, i always shuts my doors n windows. Privacy ma.. dont want my neighbour to see me with only boxer.. he3..

Some people like tc they dislike grill coz feel like living in prison. You in other hand like grill, maybe for extra safety. Yeah grill + vibration sensor is d cheapest option. But doesnt always be d best.

Speaking about ventilation. This thread is not meant for it. So better not to discuss it here.

Nowdays there are motion sensors that can difrentiate human n pets. Tech are elvoving bro..

This post has been edited by platinum_12: Sep 8 2013, 10:38 PM

My friend doing alarm, I do get updated of Tech and new stuff.. Bigger dogs are not so easy to differentiate.

TS asking Grill or no Grill, I give TS advantage and disadvantage including air ventilation.

And BTW, some motion sensor is not hard to trick for a well trained thief.

I agreed with weikee, there's many considerations for one to weigh their priority over the pro and cons on each factor before they could come up with the decision whether to have it grill or no grill. To have ventilation without sacrificing the security is defintely one of the consideration.

actually even a pet is not a problem. i use paradox DG series with pet immunity. you can set the size of the animal up to 20kg if not mistaken. the sensor can judge very well. we have a family of musangs who likes to come and steal my mangos. in the beginning a lot of false alarms (the adults is big) but after some finetuning no more issues.

but yes you need a good digital sensor. i think most of my sensors (i use barrier beams and PIR) are 600+ per sensor. but well worth it.

Alamak bro.. talking about well train theif, Not to mention motion sensor. Even banks they can rob. Vibration sensor is d easiest to defeat. Oxy torch, cut thru anything without any vibration.

This post has been edited by platinum_12: Sep 10 2013, 07:41 PM

Well train as in train in alarm industry.

Wah.. 2 of ur sensors can pay my alarm cost for the whole house. Making me wondering. U might be a JUSA in real.

whole house 1200 bucks? how many sensors? how do you expect something that can prevent break-in? i think my alarm system total price almost 5k all-in. but ever since installed never really had any issues at all. just had to do some finetuning and thats it.

Good things not cheap.

If got time and a DIYer, try build own Alarm system. Now I am looking at Raspberry Pi, since I have few of these Pi.. Can have up to 17 Zone

https://sites.google.com/site/gadjetnut/hom...-system-project

http://homealarmpluspi.blogspot.com/

PJusa ... may I know what type of barrier beams you are using? I am using boundary guard but I am also looking for something else to complement it.

i am using optex BX-80N.

Oh ok ... that's the same one I am using.
Is yours wireless and using battery? Where did you get it from?

Rm1300 actually, 10 vibration, 2 contact and 2 motion. For me its better to have something rather than nothing. Im not a rich person so i didnt expect a well trained theif to rob my house. Just to deter all those biginner theifs are more than enough for me. Others i leave it to god and fate.

no mine is wired. i dont like the idea of wireless sensors.

no offense - something is always better than nothing. my point was actually that instead of tons of possibly low-q sensors you can secure a large are with a proper sensor. i would want to know if someone is front of my windows BEFORE they cause damage to them. board and wiring you can possibly save on if you feel like it but say for a terrase house one front and one back PIR / beam sensor can cover a lot already. then add one more for the roof and you're good to go. of course in detail this will depend on your individual layout.

Yup on that score u r right bro.. but for now, good and branded pet immunity sensors price are way higher than a ton of cheap sensors including wiring.

May I know who did the installation for you? ADT?

MMC

hi, any one has contact for Grill vendor?

can share with me how much u have contribute on motion sensor and which brand are u using?

It was an uncomfortable meet up with a paradox sales man who kept pushing the magnet and vibrate sensor to my "no grill" double storey terrace house

when I ask more about motion sensor, he sounds like dunno much about it and saying it was useless install the motion sensor.
and everything he promise like "can lah, no problem one..." does not sounds attractive and believable.

Am I need to ask for second option alarm system company?

i am only using PIR and boudary guard sensors PIR is paradox, boundary as stated above. whole thing is connected to a paradox system. if you take the good ones with pet immunity i dont think you will have a problem. just secure the paremeter

Mind to share with me ur installer contact?

I am not confortable with this guy anymore

Finally, i found the contact number. Please check your PM.

Hihi, thanks a lot ya!!

Its impossible to make your house burglar proof. Banks can spend millions on security but they can still get robbed. since if the reward is big enough the thief will try anything and everything

The solution is simple make it unattractive for the theif to try to break your house, is make the trouble more than the expected rewards. alarm system with visible alarm light and siren that the thief can see and make him feel more keen to try some other house (even fake camera and siren box can work for this), alarm/patrol signs, a sign pointing to another house "all the money and gold is there" hahahaha.

When you are being chased by the tiger, you dont need to run faster than the tiger, you just need to run faster than the person behind you.

Well said bro.. Totally agree!!

Funny.

Anyway. This is what I do for 14yrs. I make my house look unattractive. Paint dull color. Look dirty. Simple alarm. Many ppl told me, my house look nobody stay.

My camouflage payoff when the theift choose my next door neighbour to go in. Even cross over my rooftop just to get into his house.

anyone could recommend me good vendor for grill and main gate? the area is Rawang. thanks

u may try this,

https://www.facebook.com/threekimmetalworks...ef=ts&ref=br_tf

Interested

Do u feel safety if ur house window or glass door change to this?





This post has been edited by Lexan polycarbonate: Dec 19 2014, 01:09 PM

Which alarm can you recommend?