The life of an atheist, leftist, sceptic is a hard one in Malaysia. I've met so many believers, people who are religious, people who believe in the power of crystals, invisible creatures, MLM schemes :s, you name it, we have them in Malaysia.

I'm just tired of not meeting like minded people(as you've probably guessed base don the title of this post). I'm also tired of expressing my views just in the form of forum posts. How many of you non believers have announced your rejection of faith to those close to you? Or even know other like yourself outside of these forums(and I know there are quite many of you here).

I'm throwing this out there for all of you. What do you think of having an actual group that has meet ups etc? Like actual meet ups not online forum/chat room meet ups :s We cant just be bedroom atheists or sceptics( I don't want to narrow the group into an atheist group). Something concrete has to be done to have a presence.

Ideas, suggestion, you think it's not practical?

i suggest a philosophy class/debate/discussion at a a higher level. it will be fun.

I was thinking of something more casual. Not so formal. Because you know how Malaysians are. If it was a debate etc, people would keep quiet. There has to be someone to lead the debate. I would rather not have people leading the way but a place where anyone can feel they are equal with the rest and have no inhibitions to speak up. Something more akin to Skeptics In The Pub etc.

Your right. A lof of people here are religious. Sometime when they talk about it. I just played along with them. Put up some arguments but taking care not to offend anyone.

I can't say I don't truly believe there isn't a god. But I try to look at things in a scientific way or think logically about something.

And not just based something to be of supernatural phenomena.

I think majority of the people here are more interested in materialistic things over the pursue of knowledge. People here don't really find science interesting.

Being skeptical is a good thing. Cause it leaves room for other possibilities. There's room for questioning.

All u here just seek for SOME PPL WHO HAVE A MIND LIKE U.

no doubt,mostly ppl just like wat u talk, even some r drive BM or Audi, but their tot & mind r shit. BUt unfortunely, this kind of CULTURE already wrote deep in our mind since we r child. (parents manipulated)

Today, ppl only care u rich or not. I saw many ppl who no motivate (inovative) at all. But, THEY put u in the group of this ppl. THEY Knew u can handle the thing well (for me, THEY want me just do the job for those sucker).

No ppl like to waste their time in debate (for serious issue). They rather enjoy debated in kacang puteh issues. Beside that,

Some ppl acting make me laugh even he/she already a kids parents.
But, we cannot force them to behave like us.

Thank for them to make me my life colorful. \(^ o ^)/

This post has been edited by peace230: Dec 31 2011, 12:25 PM

I suggest you head over to RWI and look up the many Science vs God threads. I don't know if they are leftist and sceptic, but definitely got lots of atheists.

The majority of the world are religious or don't know what to believe, I would not totally dismiss religion to prevent from strayed. When constitutional law don't work, religious taboo can.

I have no religion but I have had bizarre encounter that keep me neutral, not between science & religion but the unknown. We can choose no to believe in any religion but we cannot stop wondering what is it if not religion.

Yes I am aware of Believer vs Non Believers in RWI. I don't think I can post a suggestion thread on RWI about a sceptics meet up though. But I'll think of something thanks.


Okay, I created this thread in the hopes of getting people who might be interested in such a gathering of sceptics. Not a what is your viewpoint thread. Although I respect your position on this, I have to disagree with it. I wont get into a religious debate in this thread but this will be my only input into the matter.

Religious taboos cannot and is not a good measurement of good moral rules/ethics. It is stone age. And it is written with the believer in mind. The brain washed. Hence biased. I'll leave this at that.

Picking god as an answer to a mystery is an easy way out. And yes, I can live without religion or god quite happily.

Meet up somewhere for discussion, preferably around food (round tables and drinks, check). Pretty sure other subforums have occasional meet-ups as well.

That said, I'm interested. Hope it comes around

Thank you... I'll try to rope in more people.

Share our version of creation story that exempted us from religion? When god is out, only fantasy and science is on the table, I have no friends who are completely non influenced by religion at some degree though they don't practice.

All my employers are religious and check if our date of birth affect their fung shui, so it is not easy declaring oneself as free thinker.

God is fantasy. Thank you very much. Then I'm pleased to meet your acquaintance(well in Cyberspace). I'm a godless creature. Irreligious to the hilt. And loving every moment of it.

And another thing... the term free thinker is incredibly insulting. Not to me of course, but to everyone else. It sets the impression that those that believe in God/Religion/Whatever Voodoo are not free thinkers... not free to think... can't think for themselves. And are caged by it. Slaves to religion. At least as a humanist, you should avoid using that term. I cringe every time I hear it. We are humans, we are free to think. No one owns us.

Whatever the term used is only words that represent the non believing kind, why need to bother what implication it has on the believer? Not believing is offensive enough to many devotees, that we are like strayed and unappreciative to the creator. I appreciate my parent for bringing me up but not the fact that they gave birth to me because I did not ask for it, similar to the creator / god.

I simply cannot submit to the idea that only god knows why we are created yet we are free to do anything, however I do agree that most people need a religion because they feel insecure if not. I think that all criminals are non believer too, everything is good and bad, I hate when people reply a question as yes and no.

Words are important to me. I'm a writer and I find it annoying when words are misused. Words should be respected and not used willy nilly.

My humble opinion.

Which ever the profession, we should learn to stood neutral. The job is only our way to make a living not a standard that can apply to everyone, so as the choice to believe or not in a religion, adopt it and become a member of the group and led to politic if not war. Now I know why you would like to meet people with the same ideology but non believers are not always serious and diverse compared to religion group.

My Favorite quote:

Men……probably the most mysterious species on our planet….
A mystery of unanswered questions…..


Who are we? Where do we come from?
Where are we going? How do we know. What we think we know?
Why do we believe anything at all?


Countless questions, In search of an answer……..
An answer that will give rise to a new question…..
And the next answer will give, rise to the next question and so on….


But, in the end, isn't it always the same question?
And always the same answer?

Gods or Godless actually is a kind of concept + logical + imaginative = ideas

Ideas + inovative + action = Civilization.

when the moment Mankind start to Think.
Why we alway ask "WHY". When "WHY" u ask for it, means countless question in your mind in search for the true. "WHY" we want know about the true? (maybe the religion can give it an logical & acceptable anwers for public during these era). Then.... HOW does the ideas come from the mind of that person. WHAT make him believed on it?......

& bcos of the power of "BELEIVED/ BELIEF", it lead mankind to civilization.

When we r out of the Jungle /stone cave, WHY we still want to look back? ex:

Where do WE come from, HOW does WE evolve, What make WE diference from other creature??

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Added on January 6, 2012, 6:40 pmCuriosity perhaps.........

This post has been edited by peace230: Jan 6 2012, 06:40 PM

What makes you think cats do not wonder about the same things?

lol@how fast the thread derails. TS just wanted to test the response for a meet-up, tengok-tengok half the posts on personal views......

Malaysia is not really friendly to secularism. Religion is being abused as a political weapon instead of being treated as a personal choice like in Europe.

In the USA, there's people organising these kind of gatherings: http://lesswrong.com/

This post has been edited by engseng: Jan 8 2012, 02:33 PM

TS if u manage to get a meet up, can update me also lar