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post Dec 29 2011, 06:17 PM, updated 14y ago

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The life of an atheist, leftist, sceptic is a hard one in Malaysia. I've met so many believers, people who are religious, people who believe in the power of crystals, invisible creatures, MLM schemes :s, you name it, we have them in Malaysia.

I'm just tired of not meeting like minded people(as you've probably guessed base don the title of this post). I'm also tired of expressing my views just in the form of forum posts. How many of you non believers have announced your rejection of faith to those close to you? Or even know other like yourself outside of these forums(and I know there are quite many of you here).

I'm throwing this out there for all of you. What do you think of having an actual group that has meet ups etc? Like actual meet ups not online forum/chat room meet ups :s We cant just be bedroom atheists or sceptics( I don't want to narrow the group into an atheist group). Something concrete has to be done to have a presence.

Ideas, suggestion, you think it's not practical?
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post Dec 29 2011, 08:44 PM

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I was thinking of something more casual. Not so formal. Because you know how Malaysians are. If it was a debate etc, people would keep quiet. There has to be someone to lead the debate. I would rather not have people leading the way but a place where anyone can feel they are equal with the rest and have no inhibitions to speak up. Something more akin to Skeptics In The Pub etc.
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post Jan 2 2012, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(dkk @ Jan 1 2012, 01:41 AM)
I suggest you head over to RWI and look up the many Science vs God threads. I don't know if they are leftist and sceptic, but definitely got lots of atheists.
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Yes I am aware of Believer vs Non Believers in RWI. I don't think I can post a suggestion thread on RWI about a sceptics meet up though. But I'll think of something thanks.


QUOTE(3dassets @ Jan 2 2012, 01:53 PM)
The majority of the world are religious or don't know what to believe, I would not totally dismiss religion to prevent from strayed. When constitutional law don't work, religious taboo can.

I have no religion but I have had bizarre encounter that keep me neutral, not between science & religion but the unknown. We can choose no to believe in any religion but we cannot stop wondering what is it if not religion.
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Okay, I created this thread in the hopes of getting people who might be interested in such a gathering of sceptics. Not a what is your viewpoint thread. Although I respect your position on this, I have to disagree with it. I wont get into a religious debate in this thread but this will be my only input into the matter.

Religious taboos cannot and is not a good measurement of good moral rules/ethics. It is stone age. And it is written with the believer in mind. The brain washed. Hence biased. I'll leave this at that.

Picking god as an answer to a mystery is an easy way out. And yes, I can live without religion or god quite happily.


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post Jan 2 2012, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(chiiupe @ Jan 2 2012, 04:08 PM)
Meet up somewhere for discussion, preferably around food (round tables and drinks, check). Pretty sure other subforums have occasional meet-ups as well.

That said, I'm interested. Hope it comes around
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Thank you... I'll try to rope in more people.
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post Jan 3 2012, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Jan 2 2012, 11:26 PM)
Share our version of creation story that exempted us from religion?  When god is out, only fantasy and science is on the table, I have no friends who are completely non influenced by religion at some degree though they don't practice.

All my employers are religious and check if our date of birth affect their fung shui, so it is not easy declaring oneself as free thinker.
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God is fantasy. Thank you very much. Then I'm pleased to meet your acquaintance(well in Cyberspace). I'm a godless creature. Irreligious to the hilt. And loving every moment of it.

And another thing... the term free thinker is incredibly insulting. Not to me of course, but to everyone else. It sets the impression that those that believe in God/Religion/Whatever Voodoo are not free thinkers... not free to think... can't think for themselves. And are caged by it. Slaves to religion. At least as a humanist, you should avoid using that term. I cringe every time I hear it. We are humans, we are free to think. No one owns us.
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post Jan 4 2012, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Jan 4 2012, 12:57 AM)
Whatever the term used is only words that represent the non believing kind, why need to bother what implication it has on the believer? Not believing is offensive enough to many devotees, that we are like strayed and unappreciative to the creator. I appreciate my parent for bringing me up but not the fact that they gave birth to me because I did not ask for it, similar to the creator / god.

I simply cannot submit to the idea that only god knows why we are created yet we are free to do anything, however I do agree that most people need a religion because they feel insecure if not. I think that all criminals are non believer too, everything is good and bad, I hate when people reply a question as yes and no. blush.gif
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Words are important to me. I'm a writer and I find it annoying when words are misused. Words should be respected and not used willy nilly.

My humble opinion.

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post Jan 15 2012, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Mesosmagnet @ Jan 14 2012, 10:02 AM)
I'd like to be part of these meet-ups too~

But my two cents, if everyone is like-minded there would be no point in the discussion, unless of course someone decides to be the devils advocate. But truth be told, I prefer arguments as they lead to more questions and require more proof every time the discussion heats up. Without these there would be no discussion. They would be like weekly gathering at church, where someone tells everyone else their views and everyone says Amen. Kinda pointless if you ask me.
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I doubt sceptics would agree on everything. We have a common believe but never an all encompassing belief. It is no religion. There will be no preaching. Just honest discussions. Make new friends, hang out just have a good time with people you can talk about things. We all can find the group that disagrees with you, look all around us... This group is in sharing our common solidarity for causes that you and I care for.

Thanks for the interests. I need more people. Perhaps I'll set up an official presence, a name for a club. A presence online and have these regular meet ups.
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post Jan 18 2012, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(Meis @ Jan 17 2012, 05:33 PM)
I STRONGLY believe there is no god. Religion is a guild to control the herd of "sheeps".

I am a closet atheist, sadly. Is a no no to say it out loud to your friends... you know what you gonna get if you do so.

And I'm very much a leftism, no war but peace, a bit like Gandhi. I believe Venus Project is a solution for the future.

Anyone knows who first created religion? The Roman Empire from what I've read. Not sure tho.....

I'm not super uber pro in such subjects, maybe because I don't think too much about it, I tend to sit in the middle.... so pls spare me...
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QUOTE(dkk @ Jan 18 2012, 12:05 AM)
I think you're not looking back far enough. smile.gif
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As far back as the first human who looked up the sky and wondered what was up there. Of course it was used as a way of explaining a lot of things, such as natural disasters etc. The night sky can be quite a magical sight for those early humans that didn't know anything about astronomy.

But in terms of Civilizations, pretty sure it existed even way back with the Sumerians, Egyptians and Athenians. Pretty well documented, I believe everyone knows about all these civilizations. Rome really was a late comer.

It is commonly debated that the American civilizations were one of the earliest(at the moment that title goes to the Sumerians).
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post Feb 12 2012, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(Zozi @ Feb 10 2012, 07:45 PM)
Shamanist here.

Not sure where I should stand in this topic. We are hated by most of the religions today (We hate them too) and are forgotten by most believers and non-believers alike.

We dont have a god, but we do believe in nature as our mother and we do worship elements that exist in the nature that made us what we are today.

So... call me anything you like and count me in if there is such a gathering. Just sounds fun.

cheers peeps.
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Someone who believes in the Gaia theory. Interesting. I'm currently thinking of a name for the group, to set up an online presence.
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post Feb 18 2012, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(gtasaboss @ Feb 12 2012, 06:20 PM)
its not that hard to find people lie this. almost everyone who swings, party and lies believes in no god. its just the awkward feeling you got for saying something taboo in the public
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Right.... And we know for a fact that people who believe in a god don't swing, party or lie.
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post Mar 4 2012, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Mar 4 2012, 04:11 PM)
posting to indicate interest - although i'm not in the klang valley, so meeting with me would probably be hard sad.gif
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No worries. Just need supporters.
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post Apr 14 2012, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 22 2012, 10:39 PM)
Hey frags, I didn't notice this thread earlier. I'm the calltoreason.org / knights of the cardboard castle guy. My wife and I will join whatever group you cook up. Unfortunately, we're currently living in Seremban, but we'll be up for real life meet-ups if we happen to be in KL.

I think that asking people to meet up for no other reason than to discuss religion / philosophy etc. would be kind of silly. It would be better to organize the meeting around some kind of other activity, even if only as an icebreaker. I suggest boardgames (very social, especially when compared to videogames), some kind of movie club plus discussion afterwards (especially if someone can provide a suitable venue, likely someone's house) or some physical activity, a jungle hike, mountain climb etc.


Added on March 22, 2012, 10:45 pm

Hey, someone posted a link to lesswrong! 'Fess up, how many of you are fans of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality? If you've never read it and you are an atheist / rational thinker and love reading, you must read it immediately!
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No problem. I'm just trying to get all sceptics gathered. Yes, might have to be some icebreaking deal. It's not a religion bashing thing... there have been known to be religious sceptics; even if sounds ridiculous.

My idea is to have a group similar to the Sceptics Guide To THe Universe... not the podcast... at least in the beginning.

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/


Added on April 14, 2012, 12:42 pm
QUOTE(mintyais @ Mar 20 2012, 03:58 PM)
I was going to tell one of my close friends that I'm agnostic. However, before that I asked her what she think about atheist/agnostic people. She told me that they are bad people and she will avoid them at all cost.  sad.gif 

I personally don't blame her for having such thoughts, many religious people that I knew still think that non-religious people are generally bad influence.
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Yes, that is quite common. Some people cant imagine how even we exist...by we I mean atheists or even agnostics. The best way is to convince others you're really an awesome fellow and then break it to them. It's a risk of course but you can't be living a lie forever. They might be bewildered but if you explain to them why you disbelieve, they might understand.

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