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post Jan 1 2012, 11:59 PM

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If the Prius C is selling 100K below, I'm pretty sure it will be in my short list.

The Prius C selling price in Taiwan is about NT$870K ~ RM89K and will be available in March there.

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post Jan 5 2012, 01:20 AM

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I think UMW will price Prius C at least Vios 1.5G price + 10K, which is around 97K, this is to protect Vios, but even with this price, Honda insight will have hard time to sell.
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post Jan 5 2012, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(Yeapy @ Jan 5 2012, 01:16 AM)
With the 10% sales tax if it is selling at dugong price it will affect the survival of dugong so (base line model in Japan is 70k). Probably it will get the high specs over here, price will be 100k or more if UMW is greedy.

Hybrid car is not the future in auto industry, Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle is the ultimate answer. Hybrid is just a transition stuff, after that it is outdated (guess 10 years later?)  By that time your Toyota also sell 10k no ppl want
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Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle will need at least 20 years to go, hydrogen refill stations will have big impact to the current petrol station, those oil company will not happy to see it.

If there is natural gas fuel cell vehicle, it will be feasible in near term.
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post Jan 7 2012, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Jan 7 2012, 08:32 PM)
I was right on the money then! Never give any hope on lower price with UMW they don't do cheap. Only malaysia consumer put up with it lol.
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Not official announce yet, wait for it before jump to conclusion.
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post Jan 8 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Jan 8 2012, 03:38 PM)
I have no problem with Toyota. I'm a toyota owner & fans. My problem is Malaysia distributor UMW. Toyota in the UK doing very well here because of competition.

I think you are a typical Malaysia attitude. You been rape & you cant be bother to report to the police or report to the police they cant be bother to investigate it. After a while the same person rape you again & again because they know they can get a way with it. Do you get my point? I'm sorry have to be voice it so harsh. Been a Malaysian I have the right to inform you guys how f**k you up. Thats what the forum is all about information, suggestion, discussion & voice your concern.

Try to learn how the Libyan topple Colonel Gaddafi. PLEASE NOTE THAT I'M NOT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO ENGAGE ANY VIOLET IN MALAYSIA. All you have to do is to stop buying they hybrid cars. Because they can do cheaper, a lot cheaper. They have no choice but to know they price down if no one buy them.

Yes I do agree about your point about the profit. Do you & anyone else here care about UMW profit? Unless you are 1 of their employee or shareholder. I think we all care about our own bank balance than UMW profit.
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Bro, there is always a willing buyer, willing seller.

Boycott UMW Prius is not a doable way, if you think this way, you also have to boycott all non-national cars, because the corrupted government make more money when you buy non-national cars. buying hybrid cars is giving money to UMW C-executive pocket money instead of BN politician pocket money. I would give UMW money rather than giving to BN, at least you get the premium quality CBU cars, not the cheap low quality CKU non-national cars.

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post Feb 10 2012, 12:10 AM

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More technical detail on Prius C



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post Feb 17 2012, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Feb 17 2012, 06:25 PM)
Those who say P C better than Insight , have you driven the Prius and Lexus CT200h in ECO mode? The ECO mode is really LOW POWER, LOW POWER on the Prius and CT200h. The P C has ECO mode and normal mode but no sport mode.
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ECO mode is meant to drive quitely and slowly like driving in the residential area, don't expect power from eco mode. I think most people like hybrid car do not really care the car should behave like a performance car, instead, being green and fuel economic are the first priority.

Toyota hybrid is better than Honda is from the perspective of FC and technology, now adding the price is even cheaper than Insight, the only aspect that Prius C lose to Insight is the car size and perhaps interior.
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post Feb 17 2012, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Feb 17 2012, 11:31 PM)
and did i step on some fu cktard's tail here? Why die die must protect Toyota? Pariahs!!
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What is your point to saying that Prius is under power at ECO mode?

If you think Prius is not worth it because it is under power, you have option not to use it or sell it off.

You don't like the car under power doesn't mean Prius is useless or no good than Insight, people judge it from different perspectives...

I also can complaint Ferrari is not good because the fuel consumption is too bad, get my point?
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post Feb 18 2012, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(watonk @ Feb 18 2012, 12:13 AM)
Aiyah shitest of all aaa? tongue.gif

Lunchtime just wanna rephrase that sometimes, we need that pickup to get into fast & busy highway. And yes Prius may have pulling power. But shitting other make and model is just lame... doh.gif

Afterall we all driving hybrid...
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Prius C 0-100KM acceleration time is < 11 second, it is not slow, quite average pickup speed
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post Feb 20 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Feb 20 2012, 03:08 PM)
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Prius C launched at RM 97k.

Pic taken from http://instagr.am/p/HN-v7gB1OT/
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Launch already? I thought it will be launched this evening at 7:30pm at Sunway Pyramid convention centre.
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post Feb 20 2012, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Feb 20 2012, 11:18 PM)
Regarding this pure EV mode, how long can it last?
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Prius C can go nearly 2KM with full charge of battery on EV mode.
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post Feb 21 2012, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Feb 21 2012, 07:41 AM)
Yes, but what about the aircond? Auto off like Insight?
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Prius C aircond is powered by electric inverter compressor, hence, it can be run by battery power only, as such, the aircond is running even the engine is stopped

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post Feb 21 2012, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(cody1508 @ Feb 21 2012, 04:43 PM)
The Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive on the other hand does not have a conventional transmission like the Honda IMA. Instead, it uses a Power Split Device, which is a simple planetary gearset that combines the power from two electrical motor/generators (MG1 and MG2) and the gasoline engine. The entire PSD assembly is directly geared to the wheels, without a torque converter or clutch. This is similar to an electric car, which can have direct gearing to the wheels without a clutch or torque converter, because electrical motors can exert maximum torque at 0 RPM.

The Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive, like an electric car, can move the car under electric power alone. How the Power Split Device transmission in the Hybrid Synergy Drive works: http://www.eahart.com/prius/psd

Personally, I like the Toyota system better. It's MUCH simpler than the Honda IMA system, with just 22 moving parts in the Prius PSD vs. about 100 in the Accord Hybrid's normal 5-speed automatic transmission gearbox and torque converter.

The PSD eliminates the need for multiple gear ratios (which means no gear-shifting wear-and-tear), does not have a hot-running torque converter (which means the tranny fluid lasts A LOT longer), and no clutch or CVT belts. That means the Toyota system has far fewer potential failure points and would be more durable.

P/S So a Prius will have less wear and tear issues. So to those who have always maintain that a prius is expensive to own because of battery failure, that's BULLSHIT!!! like someone who had mentioned above there are HELL lots of Prius running around the world that is easily more than 10 years of age. Like I have always said don't bash for the sake of bashing. If you wanna bash, please read or else you will be making a fool out of yourself.
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Prius Hybrid Synergy Drive




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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 21 2012, 01:24 PM)
The Dashboard is so so so boring... bet myvi dash is nicer


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Agree... but there is a downside to this technology... you see By doing this the car is 100% depending on the nimh battery pack and the car cannot move without it as when the time the priusC nimh cell die the compressor and water pump cannot run... your car engine will over heat...

Insight is called parallel hybrid and it rely on independent power source... meaning the Insight nimh battery only assist nothing more.. (hence called IMA)
when the nimh pack die/expired the car can drive like normal and uses normal starter to start the car... the car will run like normal 1.3l car... until you get the pack replace... this is much fool proof... and in hard time where no $$$ change nimh pack can rely on petrol at the mean time...

dont tell me prius NIMH can last lifetime... no battery can last a lifetime it is a matter of time... and still wondering why UMW-T still give only 3 years battery warranty???
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If the Prius battery died, the engine won't be able to start at all, so how can the engine get over heat???

Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive is combining parallel hybrid and series hybrid, that is why it call "Synergy", it means it lets the two hybrid systems work together.

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post Feb 23 2012, 07:04 PM

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Just paid a visit to Subang Toyota showroom, saw an orange color Prius C already display in the show room, but it is not allowed to perform test drive, test drive is only available in March.

My First impression

The prius is definitely bigger than Myvi, it is not like Myvi which is fat and short feeling (No offend to Myvi fan, just personal feeling), the body shape is more streamline than Myvi.

Cabin space is slightly bigger than Myvi, but feeling not as wide as Vios, back seat leg room is quite good, I'm 172cm and it still has around 8-10cm space when sit in the back seat, head room also pretty ok, felt like still has 8-10cm space in between. however, it is still a small car, fit in five persons will be very tight!

Dashboard is kinda simple, quality feel like so so only hmm.gif Prius is way better than it.

Build quality looks good and solid.

The only disappointing part is the hybrid battery warranty, it is only 1 year warranty, *** !!! doh.gif car itself is 3 years or 100,000KM warranty.

Retail price is 94,307 without insurance, those who has 55% NCD will only need to pay 95,5xx to own this car.

Maintenance is 1K,5K,10K,20K,30K interval, maintenance cost is around RM100+ per service.

so overall, it is for single or young guy who doesn't have big family, wanna try the high tech driving and save the earth, don't mind the small boot space and interior, than it is the car that can seriously consider.

The waiting list of this car is currently around 3 months, I paid a RM800 booking fee (fullly refundable), if test drive is good, will get it in May/June.

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post Feb 23 2012, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Feb 23 2012, 08:09 PM)
Congrats bro...  Wat is ur colour?  Yes agree wt u.. Definitely good for single...  thumbup.gif
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I book the silver color, initially wanna get the white one, but the lime white pearl color need to add RM800, day light robbery meh! shakehead.gif shocking.gif

QUOTE(2323 @ Feb 23 2012, 08:53 PM)
Battery warranty only one year ?? then i dun consider to buy  shakehead.gif  Why Toyota have no confident on their battery build ??? What is the battery cost ahh.. ?
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Prius hybrid battery is RM11.5K, SA told me that Prius C is slightly cheaper than it. everytime when ask the hybrid battery questions, they will try to avoid to answer, UMW looks like no confident for the hybrid battery!

However, Prius battery cost is around RM5K in Taiwan, so if there is such a huge price gap, I believe people will try to bring in the "water set".
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post Feb 23 2012, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 23 2012, 09:41 PM)
electrical modification ......dont play play. car might caughtfire
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No modification if someone able to bring in original battery pack, then the battery should be able to be replaced by reconnecting the wires. of course it is better let the professional to do it.
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post Feb 24 2012, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(electron @ Feb 24 2012, 08:11 AM)
i think the 1 year warranty is for the 12V battery that traditionally sits in the engine bay of most car
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I had double check with the SA, he told me it is 1 year warranty for hybrid battery, but I also remain skeptical about it because I felt my SA knowledge about this car is not so well, probably someone can get confirmation from the authority.

Regarding the hybrid battery, although it is NiMH battery, the way hybrid car charging and discharging the battery is not same as mobile phone or laptop, instead, hybrid car use hypercycle technique to extend the battery life. normally Prius use about 10% of Depth of Discharge (DoD), below is the DoD and charging cycle number (life time)

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so if DoD is 10%, you can discharge the battery up to 300,000 cycles compare to normal NiMH battery 500 cycles.

If the usage is 1 cycle per KM, the battery would last about 300,000KM, adding the high temperature weather in Malaysia that caused battery recharge cycle to reduce 20% less, it is estimate can last 240,000KM, if you travel 20,000KM per year, the battery can last about 12 years.

Some few tips to prolong the hybrid battery life

1. Don't drain you battery to the low level (although the computer will prevent it, but abuse still may possible), such as use EV mode extensively
2. Don't set the AC temperature too low in the hot day when stuck in traffic jam, because it is possible to drain your battery to low level, which increase the DoD.


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post Feb 26 2012, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(hawk @ Feb 26 2012, 08:54 AM)
so far, 1k discount is the best I got too. car can view and test drive at Toyota Balakong.

Personally, I don't feel the interior is that bad maybe because I drive a kancil. cabin sound is quiet, engine push start without sound and cabin sound while driving at speed 80kmh is quiet.
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I'm driving a Kancil too, so I also can accept the cabin built quality, actually the Prius C dashboard design is Kancil alike laugh.gif

Bro, did you ask the availability of this car? how soon can get the car if I place order at Balakong branch?
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Japanese Prius Aqua review

http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/i...227_511773.html

Prius C HSD

Left side is Atkinson engine, right side (yellow color) is Power Split Device (PSD) + (Motor Generator) MG1 +MG2

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PSD + MG1 + MG2

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The stator coils in Prius gen2 and gen3 has been replaced with Edgewound coils which result in lower resistant and better efficiency.

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post Mar 3 2012, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Mar 3 2012, 12:47 PM)
feels plasticky, and in fact feels cheaper than city/vios. just my rm0.02. the seat feels like typical myvi seat.
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The reason why the Prius C plastic feeling is different probably due to it is made from eco base plastic or recycle materials. I know most parts in Prius are actually made from recycle materials, I believe Prius C probably have the same.

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