or maybe u can count how much lines of codes you typed AND how much graphics you created and use.. sums up and make some calculations for how much for each pics or lines of codes.. that's all.. nowadys, want to connect to mysql database @ RM15 only, already mahal..

check here :MuidLatif's Article..

This post has been edited by [the][matrix]: Nov 25 2005, 01:02 AM

The article that I think you wanted to share was this one:
http://muidlatif.blogspot.com/2005/06/welc...-designers.html

Muid's one if my buddies in work and a normal friend. Whatever he says is true, and come to think of it, I even just blogged about something like this not too long ago..

http://www.dannyfoo.com/archives/2005/11/f..._of_client.html

let's say a hybrid site with about 12 pages? and a simple flash banner with not too canggih effects...how much will that add up to for a freelancer? see if it's done by the company that i'm working in...it'll probably take up to about 5 man days where each man day will cost approximately RM750, so per project RM3750...i consider that pretty reasonable...isn't it?

One of main problem I experience with (my potential) client is that they aren't IT related hence they doesn't know much on how difficult it is to come out with a good overall design (I not just talking about plain and n00b interface that make the site look likes it been build for personal site and not corporate).

There is no standard personally but I do stick to the normal range of pricing depending on the functionality and difficulty of each project.

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Line of code isn't a good method in calculating price since it all depend on how good a programmer you are. I adv. programmer can optimize his (or her) code to almost 50% compare to newbie programmer. Other than that I seen static website generating more line of code (due to the extremely large content) while a large dynamic site generating far less since everything is done in server side and store in database.

This post has been edited by crynobone: Nov 25 2005, 09:43 AM

earthkid:
I find that pretty reasonable as long the quality that comes out is good.

crynobone:
I think I too need to start quoting on pages and images especially when it gets too much to handle some times.

it's like some clients don't even have digitized logos or photos.. headache..

I'm curious. There's been talk on 5 pages on how much would it cost. Maybe 5 pages would cost Rm1000 which include main page, about us, products, services, contact.

What about picture enlargement, whereby in products section there is 12 products which you click on the pics it will enlarge a bigger picture. Is that included in the RM 1000 project or would it cost additional more.

And what is 5 pages, what is a page. Is it an A4 size, or a computer display 800 x 600 consider a page or a page that can be filled with unlimited of things at clients request which you need to scroll down with internet explorer exactly 3 times (which makes it a long, long page).

Please shed some light.

great question benison.

some say 5 pages (full A4) to me means the content to be placed is at full A4 x 5.

some count opening a new window (popup) is equivalent to 1 page. in other words, it's counting the links.

I still think the best way to calculate is by the hours because you can then multiply the rate by how many hours you spend on the project. But of course you can't quote a client after project.

So maybe what you could do is have a rough figure by seeing how long you'd normally take for a single page that might include 1 popup or more than 1 popup. Take your hourly rate and multiply the number of hours then you have a rough figure to work with.

I feel like I need to quote clients how many A4 pages of content and how many images or else it might get out of hand sometimes.

We don't charge by pages or hours, but by a whole lump sum as it is really easier that way. We generally charge RM2k for a normal site, RM5 above for a site that needs a simple CMS. Like Crynobone said, it also depends on the scope of the project, and also the size of the company. I did a major international event website recently and we charged them 15k last year, but this year we're doing it for RM50k... added functionality and so on. We stopped doing any site that costs less than 2k as it's just not worth the time.

Price hike because of petrol prices ar? LOL!

Anyway, if the website is huge and the clients wants you to do all the content insertion for them on the first launch then of course it costs more because you're required to take time in the planning, developing and data entry.

As for the 2k not worth the time, you can't really say this for everyone out there. To a student, 2k is a lot of money and unless they're developing a project as big as the one you described, than maybe they could price it higher but not to what you're pricing.

It's like a company. Your prices are high as well because you have a team involved. You need to pay their living. Since sharing is in the equation, pricing high is a must. Also, because you're involving each individual's time, if you calculated their hourly rate then it just might equal up to what you need to charge.

hope all that made sense.

Actually... in this company, i'm the only webdesigner, hahah. When we take design projects, i do like 80% if not all of the work. But yeah, that price wouldn't work for students.

er.. will they take the work of a IT college student?

how to find these jobs/clients? I'm thinking taking up some jobs during skool break... hehe

the best methods of starting without a budget is tell your friends and family members that you're on your school break and you're just too much an IT addict to not do any work during the holidays and you're looking for website projects..

maybe you could leave out the IT addict part but yeah.. spread news to friends and relatives..

ermmm may i know the price for a simple, non-transactional php website?

-simple database, and nie display can dy

what about simple html + some feedback page asp and 10 - 15 pages ... for rm 1000 with 3 free updates , not redesign

is that is wise price ?

chowsc:
what do you mean non-transactional? first time I'm hearing someone describe a website with that term. anyway, if it's a single page and nice design with a database, I suppose the price is determined by who you find for the project.

if you were to hire a professional, they might charge you RM500-RM1500 just for the project. if you find a student, well, it might cost a lot less.

brotherhoe:
if you were a student, that might be alright but if you were a company. I'd say that's a little on the very low side. don't forget, you'll need to add the content in later and if all 15 pages have content (text + images) to be placed inside, it'll take time to do it.

I think I would charge a minimum of RM1500 without any maintainance. And what do you mean 'not redesign'? Meaning the website has no design at all and you'll just use the CSS styling to make the website?

Cheers.

no fixed price man.......... each designer will offer you different things. their skill and delivery time and even quality will be different.

it's been a really interesting debate about prices on web designing, and seriously, i've also in the midst of dilemma and confusion on how to charge my client for updates and maintainence, which always go out of hand, like...the content can come suddenly out of nowhere

then you have to set an agreement - once they FINALIZED the details, that's it. any subsequent changes will be charged.

however for me, i usually close-1-eye on this matter. even till this date, my customer still ask me to add / remove stuff for them. i do it for free.

yeah... the price maybe vary. No fixed price but i usually i charge at least RM 1800.

Maintainance I'll normally tell my clients that I charge based on an hourly fee.. but because most of our clients opt for a CMS, we don't have any maintainance.